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Cloak
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dazee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Cloak is fine on stamblades making it cost more every time you use it would be a huge nerf to their playstyle. Just make it cost a % of max magicka, something like 25% then a stamblade could only cloak 4 times in a row and same for a magblade.Playing your character the way your character should play is all that matters. Play as well as you can but never betray the character. Doing so would make playing an mmoRPG pointless.0 -
technohic✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Cloak is fine on stamblades making it cost more every time you use it would be a huge nerf to their playstyle. Just make it cost a % of max magicka, something like 25% then a stamblade could only cloak 4 times in a row and same for a magblade.
I honestly feel like this would effect magblade more and stamblade is in a much better spot.2 -
ApostateHobo✭✭✭✭✭
✭Cloak is fine the way it isCloak has many counters, so it's perfectly fine as it is. We don't need more senseless changes ruining a class's identity.4 -
validifyedneb18_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭Cloak should be like streak every time you cloak after cloak should cost moreESO_Nightingale wrote: »Sythen88411 wrote: »I myself think cloak should not be a spamable. Should have some sort of penalty if doing so or a cool down
it's funny when you cast inner light or drink a detect pot. they usually fall over straight away
don't make it harder for them to survive.
Yes, and then they wait for a second until the cast time is up, roll, and recast stealth. Repeat until the expensive magelight has drained enemy of mana and then either turn around and kill or get away.
Assuming everyone has magelight or expert hunter on their bars at part of their build.EU: Magden, Magknight, Stamsorc(*2), Magsorc
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Juhasow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Cloak is fine on stamblades making it cost more every time you use it would be a huge nerf to their playstyle. Just make it cost a % of max magicka, something like 25% then a stamblade could only cloak 4 times in a row and same for a magblade.
That would be a huge buff for stamblade and huge nerf for magblade where excatly opposite is neded.
Edited by Juhasow on January 7, 2019 5:00PM2 -
Juhasow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭dwemer_paleologist wrote: »remove the bonus to damage from stealth.
problem solved.
It has already been removed few patches ago. Guess stambaldes are so easy they didnt even noticed.2 -
Drdeath20✭✭✭✭✭
✭Cloak alone can be countered, not a 100% true counter more of maybe counters, but its everything else available to a nightblade that makes cloak OP.
Cost increase is not the answer.0 -
Juhasow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭ApostateHobo wrote: »Cloak has many counters, so it's perfectly fine as it is. We don't need more senseless changes ruining a class's identity.
And those counters have plenty of counters which makes arguments like the one above pointless.0 -
Juhasow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I mean, people will always complain that something is broken. Sorcs have their complaints, DKs have their complaints, Templars, Nigbtblades, etc etc. If your issue is Nightbladrs then carry around detection pots in your quickslot menu and swap to themwhen fighting a Nightblade. The skill isn’t broken. It works as it was intended to work. To be honest, good players work around these builds.
So because people complain also about other things suddenly complaians about cloak needs to be ignored ? What kind of a logic is that ? Basically due to that logic everything is fine with certain thing until other people complain about different things... Problem is nightblade can counter detect pots way easier then detect pot user can counter nightblade. Stamblades can work around that "cloak counters" way better then other players can work around stamblades.0 -
Ragnaroek93✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Cloak is fine the way it isCloak is fine on stamblades making it cost more every time you use it would be a huge nerf to their playstyle. Just make it cost a % of max magicka, something like 25% then a stamblade could only cloak 4 times in a row and same for a magblade.
That would be a huge buff for stamblade and huge nerf for magblade where excatly opposite is neded.
So Cloak on magblade is fine while it's OP on stamnb. Nice bias.I used to think that PvP was a tragedy, but now I realize, it's a comedy.2 -
JadonSky✭✭✭✭✭Cloak should be like streak every time you cloak after cloak should cost moreSo I feel like this vote has only showed how many nightblades pvp compared to other classes lol (within the forum that is). Its the same story with Sorcs and Shields (which im still against the changes they made).0 -
Zeytio✭✭✭Cloak should be like streak every time you cloak after cloak should cost moreCloak has many counters as is and I mainly play magblade which I never really have to utilize cloak unless I'm ganking, but it is a really powerful skill for how much it costs. maybe not go as far as making it cost more after each use but just increasing it by 1k or so just so people who don't know how to counter it can stop complaining and players who over utilize it learn to use it more strategically.[PC/NA] - Zeytio
just some magicka nightblade on pc/na
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Cloak is fine the way it isStreak can't be instantly canceled by any AoE. If it could be, the stacking cost increase on it would leave it unusable. Cloak's big problem is that stealth specific counters like magelight or expert hunter or piercing mark, don't counter stealth as hard as AoE. If inner light, radiant magelight, and expert hunter had double the radius, radiant magelight applied minor maim to revealed players, and piercing mark had even half the old duration, we'd get rid of half these nerf cloak threads.0
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Sythen88411✭✭✭✭Cloak should be like streak every time you cloak after cloak should cost moreCloak has many counters as is and I mainly play magblade which I never really have to utilize cloak unless I'm ganking, but it is a really powerful skill for how much it costs. maybe not go as far as making it cost more after each use but just increasing it by 1k or so just so people who don't know how to counter it can stop complaining and players who over utilize it learn to use it more strategically.
Could have a cool down?1 -
Dojohoda✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Neither...
Cloak should do damage to you and purge your dots and be unbreakable for at least one second.
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Fan of playing magblade since 2015. (PC NA)
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sadlythebest✭✭✭Cloak is fine the way it isIf cloak is nerfed, I'll have little use for my detect pots.PC-NA
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Juhasow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Ragnaroek93 wrote: »Cloak is fine on stamblades making it cost more every time you use it would be a huge nerf to their playstyle. Just make it cost a % of max magicka, something like 25% then a stamblade could only cloak 4 times in a row and same for a magblade.
That would be a huge buff for stamblade and huge nerf for magblade where excatly opposite is neded.
So Cloak on magblade is fine while it's OP on stamnb. Nice bias.
You call is bias I call it facts. Stamblade simply have features supporting use of cloak that magblade do not have or have them on much smaller extent. Abilities that removes snares while in cloak plus possibility to do multiple roll dodges in a row , easier acces to major expedition , option to sprint for longer and faster improves performance of cloak by a lot. Also for stamblade cloak have additional role or refreshment from roll dodge penatly. Basically strong mobility = strong cloak.That list could be also increased by few smaller features stamblade is benefiting more from thanks to cloak but it would just take to much text to explain.
It's already well known that stamblade currently benefits from cloak and its connections with other abilities more then magblade so I dont know where have You been all that time to not know that.
Also I did not said "cloak on magblade is fine and on stamblade is OP" so it's You who is biased by putting words to other peoples mouths. What I said was that buffing cloak for stamblade and nerfing it for magblade is stupid since stamblade currently have better use of it then magblade so change like original poster proposed makes no sense.
Edited by Juhasow on January 8, 2019 5:36AM1 -
robpr✭✭✭✭✭
✭Leave it as is, but any dot applied should not allow to cloak for it's duration until purged.
"Who-has-more-magicka" duels when DK spam Vol Armor to decloak NB that immediately cloaks again are not fun and tiresome just because you dont want to use magelight/revealing flare 24/7.Edited by robpr on January 8, 2019 8:25AM0 -
InvictusApollo✭✭✭✭✭
✭I'm also annoyed by magblades spamming cloak and just running away. But cloak is the main defensive magblade ability and it can be easily countered if you just think a little. So stop whining and just dress for the occasion. Get an addon that lets you swap gear and skills with one single button. Create an anti cloak modification of your build and if you have many nightblades around, just press that button.
Cloak is easily counterable.1 -
technohic✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I really dont think cloak needs a nerf either, as I said before. It's just annoying and there has to be a concern for gameplay. I rode up 9n 5 AD taking a resource while I see 8 DC in stealth just watching from different areas waiting for 1 to be a straggler. Used to see 1 or 2. Now all 3 factions are pop locked but you only see crossed swords at major fights.0 -
Drdeath20✭✭✭✭✭
✭The only true counter to cloak was the old mark target. Everything else is a myabe counter and good nightblades have counters for these.0 -
Ragnaroek93✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Cloak is fine the way it isRagnaroek93 wrote: »Cloak is fine on stamblades making it cost more every time you use it would be a huge nerf to their playstyle. Just make it cost a % of max magicka, something like 25% then a stamblade could only cloak 4 times in a row and same for a magblade.
That would be a huge buff for stamblade and huge nerf for magblade where excatly opposite is neded.
So Cloak on magblade is fine while it's OP on stamnb. Nice bias.
You call is bias I call it facts. Stamblade simply have features supporting use of cloak that magblade do not have or have them on much smaller extent. Abilities that removes snares while in cloak plus possibility to do multiple roll dodges in a row , easier acces to major expedition , option to sprint for longer and faster improves performance of cloak by a lot. Also for stamblade cloak have additional role or refreshment from roll dodge penatly. Basically strong mobility = strong cloak.That list could be also increased by few smaller features stamblade is benefiting more from thanks to cloak but it would just take to much text to explain.
It's already well known that stamblade currently benefits from cloak and its connections with other abilities more then magblade so I dont know where have You been all that time to not know that.
Also I did not said "cloak on magblade is fine and on stamblade is OP" so it's You who is biased by putting words to other peoples mouths. What I said was that buffing cloak for stamblade and nerfing it for magblade is stupid since stamblade currently have better use of it then magblade so change like original poster proposed makes no sense.
Magblades don't use it that much because they have strong defense outside of Cloak. And in the scenario where Cloak is "overperforming" (basically only a 1v1 because every group should have enough AoE to deal with it) it doesn't matter anything if it's used by stamblade or a magblade, you won't catch a magnb with Cloak either on your own and you shouldn't struggle that much against Cloak while playing in a group. So yes, saying "it's fine on magblade while it's not on stamnb" is pure bias.
Btw stamnb without Cloak lives like 10 seconds against anyone half decent lol. I guess it's fine that everyone has some defense mechanics which allow them to keep them alive but if stamnb has a working defense mechanic it's suddenly broken
I used to think that PvP was a tragedy, but now I realize, it's a comedy.1 -
Latios✭✭✭✭✭I don’t think it “should be like streak”, I think it should get a different treatment.
IMO, cloak should not work so easy as a disengage tool and it shouldn’t work if you took damage or dealt damage in the last 3 seconds.The Eon Pokémon.0 -
Juhasow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Ragnaroek93 wrote: »Ragnaroek93 wrote: »Cloak is fine on stamblades making it cost more every time you use it would be a huge nerf to their playstyle. Just make it cost a % of max magicka, something like 25% then a stamblade could only cloak 4 times in a row and same for a magblade.
That would be a huge buff for stamblade and huge nerf for magblade where excatly opposite is neded.
So Cloak on magblade is fine while it's OP on stamnb. Nice bias.
You call is bias I call it facts. Stamblade simply have features supporting use of cloak that magblade do not have or have them on much smaller extent. Abilities that removes snares while in cloak plus possibility to do multiple roll dodges in a row , easier acces to major expedition , option to sprint for longer and faster improves performance of cloak by a lot. Also for stamblade cloak have additional role or refreshment from roll dodge penatly. Basically strong mobility = strong cloak.That list could be also increased by few smaller features stamblade is benefiting more from thanks to cloak but it would just take to much text to explain.
It's already well known that stamblade currently benefits from cloak and its connections with other abilities more then magblade so I dont know where have You been all that time to not know that.
Also I did not said "cloak on magblade is fine and on stamblade is OP" so it's You who is biased by putting words to other peoples mouths. What I said was that buffing cloak for stamblade and nerfing it for magblade is stupid since stamblade currently have better use of it then magblade so change like original poster proposed makes no sense.
Magblades don't use it that much because they have strong defense outside of Cloak. And in the scenario where Cloak is "overperforming" (basically only a 1v1 because every group should have enough AoE to deal with it) it doesn't matter anything if it's used by stamblade or a magblade, you won't catch a magnb with Cloak either on your own and you shouldn't struggle that much against Cloak while playing in a group. So yes, saying "it's fine on magblade while it's not on stamnb" is pure bias.
Btw stamnb without Cloak lives like 10 seconds against anyone half decent lol. I guess it's fine that everyone has some defense mechanics which allow them to keep them alive but if stamnb has a working defense mechanic it's suddenly broken
You prove more and more You have no idea about nightblade in PvP. Almost all Your statements are wrong. It's like the compilation of every old wives' tale about nighblade.
For the record stamblade can 1vX and 1v1 against experienced players without invisibility. Fact that You dont know something exist doesnt mean it doesnt exist. Cloak is not "the only defense stamblade have". Magblade reason to not use cloak that often is definietly not "having stroing defense outside of it". There is simple real combat scenario that can show You why stamblade have adventage in use of cloak over magblade. Lets say both were attacked suddenly by multiple opponents at once. Stamblade will plant the shade , use vigor then spam dodge few times then use shuffle or forward momentum teleport to shade and done he escaped , magblade wont have that comfort , he wont be even able to move away from the shade that far because of the snares and even if he'll somehow manage to teleport to shade away from range of AoEs he'll be snared so hard enemies will just follow the place he teleported (and it wont be far) and start to spam AoE or revealing abilities there having high chance to reveal him. Stamblade will also have much better healing after teleporting to shade then magblade which allows him to attack opponents much faster. This is just one of simple examples where stamblade is performing much better then magblade and there is plenty more of examples like that. Seriously if atleast half of Your claims would be true then it would be very wierd there is so low amount of magblades playing currently when compared to amount of stamblades.
I dont know do You even play nightblade in PvP because the amount of nonsensical informations You gaved is something I would expect from someone that started ESO like max 1 month ago and all his knowledge comes from deshaan zone chat.
Edited by Juhasow on January 8, 2019 1:41PM1 -
Ragnaroek93✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Cloak is fine the way it isRagnaroek93 wrote: »Ragnaroek93 wrote: »Cloak is fine on stamblades making it cost more every time you use it would be a huge nerf to their playstyle. Just make it cost a % of max magicka, something like 25% then a stamblade could only cloak 4 times in a row and same for a magblade.
That would be a huge buff for stamblade and huge nerf for magblade where excatly opposite is neded.
So Cloak on magblade is fine while it's OP on stamnb. Nice bias.
You call is bias I call it facts. Stamblade simply have features supporting use of cloak that magblade do not have or have them on much smaller extent. Abilities that removes snares while in cloak plus possibility to do multiple roll dodges in a row , easier acces to major expedition , option to sprint for longer and faster improves performance of cloak by a lot. Also for stamblade cloak have additional role or refreshment from roll dodge penatly. Basically strong mobility = strong cloak.That list could be also increased by few smaller features stamblade is benefiting more from thanks to cloak but it would just take to much text to explain.
It's already well known that stamblade currently benefits from cloak and its connections with other abilities more then magblade so I dont know where have You been all that time to not know that.
Also I did not said "cloak on magblade is fine and on stamblade is OP" so it's You who is biased by putting words to other peoples mouths. What I said was that buffing cloak for stamblade and nerfing it for magblade is stupid since stamblade currently have better use of it then magblade so change like original poster proposed makes no sense.
Magblades don't use it that much because they have strong defense outside of Cloak. And in the scenario where Cloak is "overperforming" (basically only a 1v1 because every group should have enough AoE to deal with it) it doesn't matter anything if it's used by stamblade or a magblade, you won't catch a magnb with Cloak either on your own and you shouldn't struggle that much against Cloak while playing in a group. So yes, saying "it's fine on magblade while it's not on stamnb" is pure bias.
Btw stamnb without Cloak lives like 10 seconds against anyone half decent lol. I guess it's fine that everyone has some defense mechanics which allow them to keep them alive but if stamnb has a working defense mechanic it's suddenly broken
You prove more and more You have no idea about nightblade in PvP. Almost all Your statements are wrong. It's like the compilation of every old wives' tale about nighblade.
For the record stamblade can 1vX and 1v1 against experienced players without invisibility. Fact that You dont know something exist doesnt mean it doesnt exist. Cloak is not "the only defense stamblade have". Magblade reason to not use cloak that often is definietly not "having stroing defense outside of it". There is simple real combat scenario that can show You why stamblade have adventage in use of cloak over magblade. Lets say both were attacked suddenly by multiple opponents at once. Stamblade will plant the shade , use vigor then spam dodge few times then use shuffle or forward momentum teleport to shade and done he escaped , magblade wont have that comfort , he wont be even able to move away from the shade that far because of the snares and even if he'll somehow manage to teleport to shade away from range of AoEs he'll be snared so hard enemies will just follow the place he teleported (and it wont be far) and start to spam AoE or revealing abilities there having high chance to reveal him. Stamblade will also have much better healing after teleporting to shade then magblade which allows him to attack opponents much faster. This is just one of simple examples where stamblade is performing much better then magblade and there is plenty more of examples like that. Seriously if atleast half of Your claims would be true then it would be very wierd there is so low amount of magblades playing currently when compared to amount of stamblades.
I dont know do You even play nightblade in PvP because the amount of nonsensical informations You gaved is something I would expect from someone that started ESO like max 1 month ago and all his knowledge comes from deshaan zone chat.
Sounds like a zergling who gets salty when a Nb escapes from his Xvs1.I used to think that PvP was a tragedy, but now I realize, it's a comedy.2 -
Savos_Saren✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Cloak should be like streak every time you cloak after cloak should cost moreCloak should not be broken by DOTs- but it shouldn't suppress DOTs, either. It's invisibility- not immunity. Cloak should be used for engaging or disengaging a fight- not to constantly engage and reengage a fight nonstop.Want to enjoy the game more? Try both PvP (crybabies) and PvE (carebears). You'll get a better perspective on everyone's opinion.
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Micah_Bayer✭✭✭✭✭Since cloak does not behave like streak it should not be like streak. Heck, I find streak to be much more effective to escape. It is certainly more fun to watch players waste their time chasing me and easier to troll them until they make a mistake then pow.
More importantly, use the counters for cloak. I can say from experience they work well.
It's funny to be gap closed spam?0
