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Cloak
Sythen88411
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Is cloak to much or no?
Cloak 132 votes
Cloak should be like streak every time you cloak after cloak should cost more
46%
61 votes
Cloak is fine the way it is
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71 votes
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Sythen88411✭✭✭✭Cloak should be like streak every time you cloak after cloak should cost moreI myself think cloak should not be a spamable. Should have some sort of penalty if doing so or a cool down4
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Elusiin✭✭✭✭✭Cloak should be like streak every time you cloak after cloak should cost moreYES!! I completely agree!! Cloak is too op and can be constantly spammed in combat. Good night blades are unkillable.2 -
ESO_Nightingale✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Cloak is fine the way it isSythen88411 wrote: »I myself think cloak should not be a spamable. Should have some sort of penalty if doing so or a cool down
it's funny when you cast inner light or drink a detect pot. they usually fall over straight away
don't make it harder for them to survive. Edited by ESO_Nightingale on January 7, 2019 12:44PMPvE Frost Warden Main and teacher. Come Join the ESO Frost Discord to discuss everything frost!: https://discord.gg/5PT3rQX1 -
Sythen88411✭✭✭✭Cloak should be like streak every time you cloak after cloak should cost moreReal night blades don't need to spam cloak I've seen it.2
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Sythen88411✭✭✭✭Cloak should be like streak every time you cloak after cloak should cost moreESO_Nightingale wrote: »Sythen88411 wrote: »I myself think cloak should not be a spamable. Should have some sort of penalty if doing so or a cool down
it's funny when you cast inner light or drink a detect pot. they usually fall over straight away don't make it harder for them to survive.
True but inner light is costly and to spam that is to drain your mag pool. And why should you have to give up using a pot to track down something that can stay hidden2 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Cloak is fine the way it isSince cloak does not behave like streak it should not be like streak. Heck, I find streak to be much more effective to escape. It is certainly more fun to watch players waste their time chasing me and easier to troll them until they make a mistake then pow.
More importantly, use the counters for cloak. I can say from experience they work well.7 -
Elusiin✭✭✭✭✭Cloak should be like streak every time you cloak after cloak should cost moreSince cloak does not behave like streak it should not be like streak. Heck, I find streak to be much more effective to escape. It is certainly more fun to watch players waste their time chasing me and easier to troll them until they make a mistake then pow.
More importantly, use the counters for cloak. I can say from experience they work well.
There are not enough ability slots to build to counter EVERY BROKEN SKILL IN THE GAME (Reflective Scales, Cloak, Lethal Arrow, ...). The best solution is to BALANCE THE BROKEN SKILLS.1 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Cloak is fine the way it isDanteMR1995 wrote: »Since cloak does not behave like streak it should not be like streak. Heck, I find streak to be much more effective to escape. It is certainly more fun to watch players waste their time chasing me and easier to troll them until they make a mistake then pow.
More importantly, use the counters for cloak. I can say from experience they work well.
There are not enough ability slots to build to counter EVERY BROKEN SKILL IN THE GAME (Reflective Scales, Cloak, Lethal Arrow, ...). The best solution is to BALANCE THE BROKEN SKILLS.
What is the skill used to counter reflective scales that does not reflect everything or lethal arrow? The best solution is to have players improve.3 -
Elusiin✭✭✭✭✭Cloak should be like streak every time you cloak after cloak should cost moreDanteMR1995 wrote: »Since cloak does not behave like streak it should not be like streak. Heck, I find streak to be much more effective to escape. It is certainly more fun to watch players waste their time chasing me and easier to troll them until they make a mistake then pow.
More importantly, use the counters for cloak. I can say from experience they work well.
There are not enough ability slots to build to counter EVERY BROKEN SKILL IN THE GAME (Reflective Scales, Cloak, Lethal Arrow, ...). The best solution is to BALANCE THE BROKEN SKILLS.
What is the skill used to counter reflective scales that does not reflect everything or lethal arrow? The best solution is to have players improve.
Instead of using destructive reach + light attacks (1 slot) -> crushing shock + rune cage + heavy lightning attacks (2 slots, and cannot weave light attacks)... This is a major problem to a simple build and you're forced to change your entire setup because of one ability.2 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Cloak is fine the way it isDanteMR1995 wrote: »DanteMR1995 wrote: »Since cloak does not behave like streak it should not be like streak. Heck, I find streak to be much more effective to escape. It is certainly more fun to watch players waste their time chasing me and easier to troll them until they make a mistake then pow.
More importantly, use the counters for cloak. I can say from experience they work well.
There are not enough ability slots to build to counter EVERY BROKEN SKILL IN THE GAME (Reflective Scales, Cloak, Lethal Arrow, ...). The best solution is to BALANCE THE BROKEN SKILLS.
What is the skill used to counter reflective scales that does not reflect everything or lethal arrow? The best solution is to have players improve.
Instead of using destructive reach + light attacks (1 slot) -> crushing shock + rune cage + heavy lightning attacks (2 slots, and cannot weave light attacks)... This is a major problem to a simple build and you're forced to change your entire setup because of one ability.
Wow, never really had that problem. Need to figure out why I do not have that issue when on my mage. Odd.
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Sythen88411✭✭✭✭Cloak should be like streak every time you cloak after cloak should cost moreDanteMR1995 wrote: »DanteMR1995 wrote: »Since cloak does not behave like streak it should not be like streak. Heck, I find streak to be much more effective to escape. It is certainly more fun to watch players waste their time chasing me and easier to troll them until they make a mistake then pow.
More importantly, use the counters for cloak. I can say from experience they work well.
There are not enough ability slots to build to counter EVERY BROKEN SKILL IN THE GAME (Reflective Scales, Cloak, Lethal Arrow, ...). The best solution is to BALANCE THE BROKEN SKILLS.
What is the skill used to counter reflective scales that does not reflect everything or lethal arrow? The best solution is to have players improve.
Instead of using destructive reach + light attacks (1 slot) -> crushing shock + rune cage + heavy lightning attacks (2 slots, and cannot weave light attacks)... This is a major problem to a simple build and you're forced to change your entire setup because of one ability.
And due to this let's say open world u setting urself to try to counter 1 class skill and then leave ur self open to be rip to other classes2 -
Juhasow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It's not A or B if it would be that simple cloak would be changed long time ago.1 -
lefler90✭Cloak is fine the way it isI mean, people will always complain that something is broken. Sorcs have their complaints, DKs have their complaints, Templars, Nigbtblades, etc etc. If your issue is Nightbladrs then carry around detection pots in your quickslot menu and swap to themwhen fighting a Nightblade. The skill isn’t broken. It works as it was intended to work. To be honest, good players work around these builds.3
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idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Cloak is fine the way it isI mean, people will always complain that something is broken. Sorcs have their complaints, DKs have their complaints, Templars, Nigbtblades, etc etc. If your issue is Nightbladrs then carry around detection pots in your quickslot menu and swap to themwhen fighting a Nightblade. The skill isn’t broken. It works as it was intended to work. To be honest, good players work around these builds.
Said very well.2 -
BigBadVolk✭✭✭✭✭Cloak is fine the way it isI mean, people will always complain that something is broken. Sorcs have their complaints, DKs have their complaints, Templars, Nigbtblades, etc etc. If your issue is Nightbladrs then carry around detection pots in your quickslot menu and swap to themwhen fighting a Nightblade. The skill isn’t broken. It works as it was intended to work. To be honest, good players work around these builds.
Pretty much, and tbh cloak works best if you have mobility and not rooted/snared, the moment the nb is snared he/she is ***"The ass is similar to the opinion: Everyone has it, but no one cares about the others!"
I'm 120 years old2 -
Vapirko✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Cloak should be like streak every time you cloak after cloak should cost moreStealth in general needs to be looked at in PvP. Far too many people just sit in stealth waiting for one or two people to go by so 5-6 can gank. I think that there needs to be more restrictions on normal crouching stealth, perhaps we need to be limited from attacking from crouch entirely. Then cloak needs to either have a cost increase like streak or a longer cooldown so that it’s used with timing like rally or any other strong ability that can potentially reset a fight. Magblades will need to be compensated however, as their survivabitly is currently very low.1 -
Burtan✭✭✭✭Cloak should be like streak every time you cloak after cloak should cost moreI think if streak has stacking cost increase then cloak should too since its arguably a lot stronger and requires you to run certain things just to counter that 1 skill. Remove streak cost increase though and I'd call it fair.0 -
Ragnaroek93✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Cloak is fine the way it isShuffle already gets nerfed, Nb has basically no defense outside of using Cloak. Would have agreed some months ago before all the nerfs to medium armor defense and AoE changes.I used to think that PvP was a tragedy, but now I realize, it's a comedy.2 -
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✭✭✭Cloak should be like streak every time you cloak after cloak should cost morenerf cloak or fix shields0 -
Bashev✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭It should be like streak because it is possible that the skill didn do what it had to do. For example you use it and someone cast immediately on you aoe. Then you are revealed.
The skill should be like mist form. No magicka regeneration and reduced healing while you are invisible.Because I can!0 -
JobooAGS✭✭✭✭✭
✭Cloak is fine the way it isRemove bolt escape cost increase instead. If bolt escape cost increase cannot be removed, then give it more distance based on cost or longer/more potent secondary effects based on cost1 -
ESO_Nightingale✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Cloak is fine the way it isSythen88411 wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »Sythen88411 wrote: »I myself think cloak should not be a spamable. Should have some sort of penalty if doing so or a cool down
it's funny when you cast inner light or drink a detect pot. they usually fall over straight away don't make it harder for them to survive.
True but inner light is costly and to spam that is to drain your mag pool. And why should you have to give up using a pot to track down something that can stay hidden
yeah but nightblades don't move amazingly far when cloaked. it's pretty easy to uncloak them.PvE Frost Warden Main and teacher. Come Join the ESO Frost Discord to discuss everything frost!: https://discord.gg/5PT3rQX2 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Cloak is fine the way it isESO_Nightingale wrote: »Sythen88411 wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »Sythen88411 wrote: »I myself think cloak should not be a spamable. Should have some sort of penalty if doing so or a cool down
it's funny when you cast inner light or drink a detect pot. they usually fall over straight away don't make it harder for them to survive.
True but inner light is costly and to spam that is to drain your mag pool. And why should you have to give up using a pot to track down something that can stay hidden
yeah but nightblades don't move amazingly far when cloaked. it's pretty easy to uncloak them.
This is a huge part of it and exactly what I said when I started off. I do not think people look at the big picture. It seems more like this is to much for me to handle so I want it nerfed.2 -
ESO_Nightingale✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Cloak is fine the way it isESO_Nightingale wrote: »Sythen88411 wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »Sythen88411 wrote: »I myself think cloak should not be a spamable. Should have some sort of penalty if doing so or a cool down
it's funny when you cast inner light or drink a detect pot. they usually fall over straight away don't make it harder for them to survive.
True but inner light is costly and to spam that is to drain your mag pool. And why should you have to give up using a pot to track down something that can stay hidden
yeah but nightblades don't move amazingly far when cloaked. it's pretty easy to uncloak them.
This is a huge part of it and exactly what I said when I started off. I do not think people look at the big picture. It seems more like this is to much for me to handle so I want it nerfed.
i always thought that Nightblade's cloak was OP until i really looked at Inner Light. it's such a great spell in both PvP and PvE. I don't play Nightblade.Edited by ESO_Nightingale on January 7, 2019 2:31PMPvE Frost Warden Main and teacher. Come Join the ESO Frost Discord to discuss everything frost!: https://discord.gg/5PT3rQX1 -
Bashev✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭ESO_Nightingale wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »Sythen88411 wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »Sythen88411 wrote: »I myself think cloak should not be a spamable. Should have some sort of penalty if doing so or a cool down
it's funny when you cast inner light or drink a detect pot. they usually fall over straight away don't make it harder for them to survive.
True but inner light is costly and to spam that is to drain your mag pool. And why should you have to give up using a pot to track down something that can stay hidden
yeah but nightblades don't move amazingly far when cloaked. it's pretty easy to uncloak them.
This is a huge part of it and exactly what I said when I started off. I do not think people look at the big picture. It seems more like this is to much for me to handle so I want it nerfed.
i always thought that nightblade's cloak was OP until i really looked at Inner Light. it's such a great spell in both PvP and PvE.
Are you kidding? Do you know how much is 6m?Because I can!1 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Cloak is fine the way it isESO_Nightingale wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »Sythen88411 wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »Sythen88411 wrote: »I myself think cloak should not be a spamable. Should have some sort of penalty if doing so or a cool down
it's funny when you cast inner light or drink a detect pot. they usually fall over straight away don't make it harder for them to survive.
True but inner light is costly and to spam that is to drain your mag pool. And why should you have to give up using a pot to track down something that can stay hidden
yeah but nightblades don't move amazingly far when cloaked. it's pretty easy to uncloak them.
This is a huge part of it and exactly what I said when I started off. I do not think people look at the big picture. It seems more like this is to much for me to handle so I want it nerfed.
i always thought that Nightblade's cloak was OP until i really looked at Inner Light. it's such a great spell in both PvP and PvE. I don't play Nightblade.
I use radiant as it give more benefits in PvP. I have no issue respecing when going into a raid.ESO_Nightingale wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »Sythen88411 wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »Sythen88411 wrote: »I myself think cloak should not be a spamable. Should have some sort of penalty if doing so or a cool down
it's funny when you cast inner light or drink a detect pot. they usually fall over straight away don't make it harder for them to survive.
True but inner light is costly and to spam that is to drain your mag pool. And why should you have to give up using a pot to track down something that can stay hidden
yeah but nightblades don't move amazingly far when cloaked. it's pretty easy to uncloak them.
This is a huge part of it and exactly what I said when I started off. I do not think people look at the big picture. It seems more like this is to much for me to handle so I want it nerfed.
i always thought that nightblade's cloak was OP until i really looked at Inner Light. it's such a great spell in both PvP and PvE.
Are you kidding? Do you know how much is 6m?
Doubt he is. I have good success with radiant. Sure sometimes I fail but it is very unrealistic to think anything should be effective 100% of the time.
I do understand. I used to look at it the same way until I figure out how to use it well. Knowing is half the battle. Where did I hear that before?1 -
ESO_Nightingale✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Cloak is fine the way it isESO_Nightingale wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »Sythen88411 wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »Sythen88411 wrote: »I myself think cloak should not be a spamable. Should have some sort of penalty if doing so or a cool down
it's funny when you cast inner light or drink a detect pot. they usually fall over straight away don't make it harder for them to survive.
True but inner light is costly and to spam that is to drain your mag pool. And why should you have to give up using a pot to track down something that can stay hidden
yeah but nightblades don't move amazingly far when cloaked. it's pretty easy to uncloak them.
This is a huge part of it and exactly what I said when I started off. I do not think people look at the big picture. It seems more like this is to much for me to handle so I want it nerfed.
i always thought that nightblade's cloak was OP until i really looked at Inner Light. it's such a great spell in both PvP and PvE.
Are you kidding? Do you know how much is 6m?
the entire radius of a winter's revenge. it's *** huge!PvE Frost Warden Main and teacher. Come Join the ESO Frost Discord to discuss everything frost!: https://discord.gg/5PT3rQX1 -
zyk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Cloak is fine the way it is
I love this. This is part of the dynamic that makes eso fun for me. I enjoy having to stay on my toes to avoid ganks. I like having to think about what challenges I might encounter on my way to an objective and how to handle them. I like that the world feels dangerous. Counter-ganking can also be a lot of fun.Stealth in general needs to be looked at in PvP. Far too many people just sit in stealth waiting for one or two people to go by so 5-6 can gank.
NB is technically my main, but since the first year of the game, I've played other classes more often, so I don't say as this as someone who always has access to cloak.
When I choose to run without any invis counters or AEs, I accept that decent nbs will be able to reset at will. That's a compromise I accept and it means I might struggle against nbs in some scenarios.
Cloak is strong, but it's offset by the fact it can be completely hard countered through many methods and though they can be made to be tanky, nb is generally the squishiest class.2 -
technohic✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I haven't decided. I don't want it really nerfed but change the way it is being used.
Was 2 manning yesterday in Vivec and my food wore out so my health was lower than normal and I discovered it because here comes the snipes from stealth. I roll dodged after the first one and healed up. Saw my food was out so rebuffed. Here comes the snipes again and I get a bead on where from and they cloack as soon as they see me heading their direction. Pop a detect pot and they are long gone from range of where I could use it. At this point, my health is back up and I am on gaurd but a minute later, here comes the snipes again, this time Im Im rapidly rolling toward them and pop the detect pot again and can see they are pretty fast and zooming quick while crouched even though I can see them; I gap close and kill the guy.
Before I can finish shaking my head from swatting the little pest; here comes some more snipes from yet another sniping and cloaking. At this point, I just threw my hands in the air and wished I had a middle finger emote, and just went inside a keep.
Its so damned annoying but its pretty much just keep trying this crap until you screw up and they feel good about getting a kill. If not for detect pots; you're dealing with more capable NBs who can go in and out of cloak and actually burst you in melee. So tired of chasing them around. Might just tank up a magblade that just spams mark and runs detect pots both just to start outing how many people are just sitting around in stealth these days.1 -
zyk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Cloak is fine the way it isYeah, but I could post similar stories in the nerf templar thread -- especially when I'm running dot builds. All classes can be miserable to fight in certain scenarios. When I'm completely solo, I hate nothing more than fighting one or more healbots. At least those nbs weren't running stalemate builds like so many do now.
Cloak is actually very meh by itself without speed buffs and/or shadow image.Edited by zyk on January 7, 2019 3:54PM2