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What makes nercomancers so appealing?
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necromancers will be as related to Elseweyr as warden was to Morrowind.Sylvermynx wrote: »Ugh. It's - abhorrent. Yes, it's always been in TES. No, I've never gone there. It's horrible. Seriously, people - the secondary villain in ESO MQ is Mannimarco - the necromancer.
Nope, don't EVEN tell me about using soul gems. I've never "harvested" souls in all the years I've played TES (since Arena released). Charge your weapons? Eh, who needs to - you can always find something else....
This is the one thing in TES games that I've always had a problem with. And it's the one major thing that will mean I spend no money on ESO for this chapter etc. I may have to blow the bandwidth budget to download the chapter content (yeah yeah I know how all that works), but I doubt I'll be playing it.
Sucks too - because I wanted Elseweyr; but combining it with something repugnant to me means I won't get to enjoy the Khajiit homeland.
Yes perhaps a bit more but generally unrelated
Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.0 -
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✭✭✭Sylvermynx wrote: »Ugh. It's - abhorrent. Yes, it's always been in TES. No, I've never gone there. It's horrible. Seriously, people - the secondary villain in ESO MQ is Mannimarco - the necromancer.
Nope, don't EVEN tell me about using soul gems. I've never "harvested" souls in all the years I've played TES (since Arena released). Charge your weapons? Eh, who needs to - you can always find something else....
This is the one thing in TES games that I've always had a problem with. And it's the one major thing that will mean I spend no money on ESO for this chapter etc. I may have to blow the bandwidth budget to download the chapter content (yeah yeah I know how all that works), but I doubt I'll be playing it.
Sucks too - because I wanted Elseweyr; but combining it with something repugnant to me means I won't get to enjoy the Khajiit homeland.
Repugnant lol you have so much hate inside you it seems..you know it's a game and not real life right ? And people can just not play the class if they don't like it. Tolerance is a rare thing these days
Saying you find something abhorrent doesn't, necessarily, mean you have hate inside you.
She finds the concept repugnant - not you.
Stop taking things so personally.Edited by Tigerseye on January 7, 2019 10:02AM0 -
malchior✭✭✭✭I never got it either. If you need to summon other beings to do your work then in my books you're crap.0 -
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✭✭✭✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Cillion3117 wrote: »Darkness never dies.
Darkness can only exist because there is light to give contrast.
I think this was overlord game reference.
then i have no idea what they are referencing.0 -
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✭Sylvermynx wrote: »Ugh. It's - abhorrent. Yes, it's always been in TES. No, I've never gone there. It's horrible. Seriously, people - the secondary villain in ESO MQ is Mannimarco - the necromancer.
Nope, don't EVEN tell me about using soul gems. I've never "harvested" souls in all the years I've played TES (since Arena released). Charge your weapons? Eh, who needs to - you can always find something else....
This is the one thing in TES games that I've always had a problem with. And it's the one major thing that will mean I spend no money on ESO for this chapter etc. I may have to blow the bandwidth budget to download the chapter content (yeah yeah I know how all that works), but I doubt I'll be playing it.
Sucks too - because I wanted Elseweyr; but combining it with something repugnant to me means I won't get to enjoy the Khajiit homeland.
I am not saying you are wrong at all, I respect your opinion, and even admire you for not using soul gems. I was aghast against it as well. Reason I do it? Nobody ever dies in ESO, and they come back to life. So I don't think of it as harvesting souls but just using magical ether. I know makes no sense at all.
Thing is, I am killing. So what is the difference from killing someone/something and taking their soul? After all, you are removing the soul from the body either way. I see where you are coming from. I admire you for your stance. While I don't like it, I have taught myself as that I am not taking souls, just like when we can use the Blade of Woe, I am not killing anyone, just "knocking them out".
One thing I don't understand is though, since we already have killing and murder, why will you not go to your homeland, or enjoy it? After all you do not need to play the class. Again, I am not saying you are wrong at all. I can understand why you will not use soul gems, but I can't understand of why not buying the "story". After all you are not playing a necromancer so why miss out on the other stuff?
Like in Morrowind DLC, I never used the Warden class, so I am sure you can still enjoy Elsywere and not play the necromancer class. Again, not saying you are wrong, just like to understand you more since I really admire you for your stance on not using soul gems.Not my quote but I love this saying
"I would pay It for support. But since they choosed we are just numbers and not customers, i dont mind if game and zos goes to oblivion"0 -
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✭j.greenmanb16_ESO wrote: »Bard? What are you going to do, sing them to death?
Red diamond, red diamond...
or even worse!
My starlight bride of Alinor...
Bard classes are very misunderstood and misinterpreted. Music in itself is not harmful, but it is the music that creates the magic (like an incantation, magic words, etc but sung instead) and their words and songs inspire their friends (giving buffs) and bring fear to their enemies (drums of war, war cries that debuff the enemy)
In short, they are a super support class!
But more to the point, necromancers are badass! Walking that line between life and death that blurs the lines of mortality, forbidden knowledge, having minions? Unless your a full fledged paladin type person or a Meridia lover, what is there NOT to like?
Would that be like the weapons used in Monster Hunter World then? The musical weapon would be a bard then?Not my quote but I love this saying
"I would pay It for support. But since they choosed we are just numbers and not customers, i dont mind if game and zos goes to oblivion"0 -
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✭Sylvermynx wrote: »Ugh. It's - abhorrent. Yes, it's always been in TES. No, I've never gone there. It's horrible. Seriously, people - the secondary villain in ESO MQ is Mannimarco - the necromancer.
Nope, don't EVEN tell me about using soul gems. I've never "harvested" souls in all the years I've played TES (since Arena released). Charge your weapons? Eh, who needs to - you can always find something else....
This is the one thing in TES games that I've always had a problem with. And it's the one major thing that will mean I spend no money on ESO for this chapter etc. I may have to blow the bandwidth budget to download the chapter content (yeah yeah I know how all that works), but I doubt I'll be playing it.
Sucks too - because I wanted Elseweyr; but combining it with something repugnant to me means I won't get to enjoy the Khajiit homeland.
You take this game wayyyyyy too seriously.
What the hell does this suppose to mean? Also 11 agrees? What is wrong with you people? Why not try seeing what the other person sees, and if you don't, ask. Why is your "way" any more proper? How about respecting other people's opinions and ideas. We don't have to agree with everyone's opinions and ideas, but we should respect them at least.
This person's character speaks so much more than yours or the other 11 who agree if not more, since this person doesn't take the "easy" way out like I have. I admire them for that. That takes a lot of effort to do.
So is it taking wayyyyy too seriously or do you just take life way to lightly?
Not my quote but I love this saying
"I would pay It for support. But since they choosed we are just numbers and not customers, i dont mind if game and zos goes to oblivion"3 -
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✭Sylvermynx wrote: »... Charge your weapons? Eh, who needs to - you can always find something else....
Please don't tell me you just toss weapons away when the charge is spent!
Farming 2 AY daggers (or a BSW inferno staff, or, well anything) is bad enough. But to do it repeatedly?
Perhaps you mean to say you simply put a new enchant on it instead?0 -
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✭witchdoctor wrote: »
Thing is, yes it's a "virtual life" BUT the disrespect is real, not virtual at all. While I may not agree, at least I can understand and don't need to put "someone" down for thinking a certain way. Who are we to judge what people do in a video game?Edited by Davor on January 7, 2019 1:21PMNot my quote but I love this saying
"I would pay It for support. But since they choosed we are just numbers and not customers, i dont mind if game and zos goes to oblivion"0 -
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✭✭witchdoctor wrote: »
Thing is, yes it's a "virtual life" BUT the disrespect is real, not virtual at all. While I may not agree, at least I can understand and don't need to put "someone" down for thinking a certain way. Who are we to judge what people do in a video game?
why did you put "someone" in quotes? Are you implying this is not a person?0 -
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✭Because necromancers are crazy OP, in the realm of fantasy fiction, movies and games.
People(with the exception of roleplayers) wants to play powerful characters, able to snap their fingers and 30.000 enemies die instantly. That's why dark magicians/nerco is a popular concept.
When it comes to the TES universe, I think anything dwemer related would have been a much more popular choice though. Mainly because your average heterosexual male gamer, gets overly excited by anything that even remotely resembles a fat and drunk dwarf with a long beard. I don't know why
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✭✭Probably because of the anti hero type. Not following a strict moral compass to do what needs to be done. As well as not being afraid of using a dark art to crush our enemies threatening the peace and our way of life. Aside from that, Elder Scrolls before ESO allowed us to experience any type of magic without restriction regardless if it was outlawed or not. Our characters are an enigma in Tamerial which is why deities are always drawn to us offering various types of power.
That's D2 Necro, which besides minions also had some cool skills (bone and poison/curses). TES necros are rather boring compared to D2 Necro. Sure, you could have 2 minions following you everywhere in skyrim, but you could have used 2 storm attronachs for some similar results. Funniest necros in Skyrim used necromancy as support, not as a main skill.
I can't see how a Necro class could do something in ESO. I mean, you can revive an enemy in PVP? How do you control him?
On the other hand, I prefer an illusionist class with skills to possess/control others.Sarcasm is something too serious to be taken lightly
I was born with the wrong sign
In the wrong house
With the wrong ascendancy
I took the wrong road
That led to the wrong tendencies
I was in the wrong place at the wrong time
For the wrong reason and the wrong rhyme
On the wrong day of the wrong week
Used the wrong method with the wrong technique0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I think everybody hopes that new class will get some high risk-high reward skills.. i don't know something like Sacrifice:
Game automatically chooses person from group with dps role and lowest dps and summons powerful multi-purpose mob instead of it.. sacrificed person still gets all experience and rewards from mob action..
And allow necromancer to sacrifice himself to rise tank instantly..
Or to sacrifice hostile mobs to summon flesh golem of them for the cost of 75% of all resources..
But probably we will get some OP mix of sorc and nightblade with ton of ugly pets which will swarm near craftin' stations..0 -
DoonerSeraph✭✭✭✭Edgy
the gaming community is full of it
Yeah, being "dark" is mainstream now.Bard? What are you going to do, sing them to death?
Red diamond, red diamond...
or even worse!
My starlight bride of Alinor...
Surprisingly, bards in D&D were capable fighters, a mix of rogue and wizard, magical songs, adventurous with a penchant for risk and then tell the stories, always more grandiose for each telling, I find bards if done right, miles ahead richer than necro edgelords. Not that I dislike necros, D2 and Grim Dawn made necromancer right.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭DoonerSeraph wrote: »Edgy
the gaming community is full of it
Yeah, being "dark" is mainstream now.Bard? What are you going to do, sing them to death?
Red diamond, red diamond...
or even worse!
My starlight bride of Alinor...
Surprisingly, bards in D&D were capable fighters, a mix of rogue and wizard, magical songs, adventurous with a penchant for risk and then tell the stories, always more grandiose for each telling, I find bards if done right, miles ahead richer than necro edgelords. Not that I dislike necros, D2 and Grim Dawn made necromancer right.
that's because being "good" is boring. dark sounds so much cooler
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DoonerSeraph✭✭✭✭ESO_Nightingale wrote: »DoonerSeraph wrote: »Edgy
the gaming community is full of it
Yeah, being "dark" is mainstream now.Bard? What are you going to do, sing them to death?
Red diamond, red diamond...
or even worse!
My starlight bride of Alinor...
Surprisingly, bards in D&D were capable fighters, a mix of rogue and wizard, magical songs, adventurous with a penchant for risk and then tell the stories, always more grandiose for each telling, I find bards if done right, miles ahead richer than necro edgelords. Not that I dislike necros, D2 and Grim Dawn made necromancer right.
that's because being "good" is boring. dark sounds so much cooler
To each their own xD
I like the holy characters but love even more the neutral ones, Paladin and Necro on Diablo 2 lorewise were my personal favorites. Paladin for struggling through with faith, and Necro for standing up against the unbalance in the forces of light vs darkness, if necro had the same edgy personality as Assassin, i wouldnt like it that much 😛0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭ESO_Nightingale wrote: »DoonerSeraph wrote: »Edgy
the gaming community is full of it
Yeah, being "dark" is mainstream now.Bard? What are you going to do, sing them to death?
Red diamond, red diamond...
or even worse!
My starlight bride of Alinor...
Surprisingly, bards in D&D were capable fighters, a mix of rogue and wizard, magical songs, adventurous with a penchant for risk and then tell the stories, always more grandiose for each telling, I find bards if done right, miles ahead richer than necro edgelords. Not that I dislike necros, D2 and Grim Dawn made necromancer right.
that's because being "good" is boring. dark sounds so much cooler
It's outdated at least for 10 years.. nowadays in all media content protagonist is either bad boy/girl or "grey with difficult choices", it will be nice to run some white-horse paladin with "damsel in distress" stuff for a change.
Edited by MartiniDaniels on January 7, 2019 2:31PM3 -
Sapphire_Lily✭✭✭✭Perhaps, without the constraints of righteousness we're obligated to uphold in real life, we can explore the nuances of morality in a game? Necromancy itself is just a tool, the justification for using it or prohibiting it will vary from individual to individual and I think the ESO community can distinguish between reality and a game so there's no real repercussions for allowing the class to be implemented.
I certainly don't think people who're enthralled by necromancy are nefarious people ready to play out sick fantasies. Are fans of the Dark Brotherhood happy to commit acts of turpitude because they like Sithis? Do they advocate for the slaughtering of children to appease a god? Nah, the Elder scrolls is a world full of dubious morality. That's what makes it compelling.
Personally, I cannot wait to finally have a class my pragmatic mage can use; the allure of the forbidden, the ability to elicit emotional distress in her enemies as she rises their comrades, the incipient god complex as she rises the dead, and the gradual deterioration of her pragmatism into histrionics when she's denied deification. The perception of Mannimarco is different with necromancers, a rival or someone to emulate and usurp or a pretentious idiot who's inelegance is destroying your craft. Honestly, you can do anything with a Nercomancer from an RP perspective.
Some like holy characters, some like evil. As long as you're having fun, who really care?Edited by Sapphire_Lily on January 7, 2019 2:47PM0 -
DoonerSeraph✭✭✭✭MartiniDaniels wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »DoonerSeraph wrote: »Edgy
the gaming community is full of it
Yeah, being "dark" is mainstream now.Bard? What are you going to do, sing them to death?
Red diamond, red diamond...
or even worse!
My starlight bride of Alinor...
Surprisingly, bards in D&D were capable fighters, a mix of rogue and wizard, magical songs, adventurous with a penchant for risk and then tell the stories, always more grandiose for each telling, I find bards if done right, miles ahead richer than necro edgelords. Not that I dislike necros, D2 and Grim Dawn made necromancer right.
that's because being "good" is boring. dark sounds so much cooler
It's outdated at least for 10 years.. nowadays in all media content protagonist is either bad boy/girl or "grey with difficult choices", it will be nice to run some white-horse paladin with "damsel in distress" stuff for a change.
I agree. The concept of the dark anti-hero is already pretty old, to me is as old as the goody-two-shoes stereotype.3 -
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Zeromaz✭✭✭✭I will play a necromancer because i had one mean dueling necro in diablo 2 back in the day. I enjoyed it a lot0
