Stam warden - ZoS' favorite baby

Qbiken · January 2019

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

If only magden got a fraction of that love. Magden is still the worst DPS class in the game by a country mile (a position they've held since they were released). They make magsorcs seem like BiS.

In fact, I bet ZOS nerfs magden next patch (again). This is what they always do when stamden overperforms.

Can we stop this propaganda that magwarden is anywhere near being a weak/underpowered class???

Finviuswe · January 2019

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Adenoma · January 2019

@Qbiken , but I want to stress that mechanically magden is in a rough spot. They do very well in the current, slow moving meta with roots and snares.

teladoy · January 2019

Wardens in general are better designed than the other classes and you can see that how every skill is very consequent designed, complement very well with other skills and how they give also buffs or minor buffs.

The other classes you can see they have some skills that are useless or are a complete mess. In my opinion DKs are the worst designed, I mean many of their skills and then maybe stamina sorcerer's.

Tsar_Gekkou · January 2019

I want to make a stamden but I can't take leveling yet another character, getting gear for it, skyshards, and dungeons for the skillpoints and undaunted. I wish I could class change my stamsorc into a stamden so I can actually use that character for something.

Crixus8000 · January 2019

Raiden_Gekkou wrote: »

I want to make a stamden but I can't take leveling yet another character, getting gear for it, skyshards, and dungeons for the skillpoints and undaunted. I wish I could class change my stamsorc into a stamden so I can actually use that character for something.

Lol same. No way I can go through all that again, so I will just wait for now untill stamsorc gets some changes.

Bashev · January 2019

teladoy wrote: »

Wardens in general are better designed than the other classes and you can see that how every skill is very consequent designed, complement very well with other skills and how they give also buffs or minor buffs.

The other classes you can see they have some skills that are useless or are a complete mess. In my opinion DKs are the worst designed, I mean many of their skills and then maybe stamina sorcerer's.

DKs were the best designed class. Then were Templars and Sorcs. The NB class really bad. Super buggy and not functional.
Then ZoS nerfed DKs , Templars and Sorcs and they lost their original design and at the same time they buffed NBs and made them OP for a long time.
Now we can see that Wardens is quite well designed.

ESO_Nightingale · January 2019

teladoy wrote: »

Wardens in general are better designed than the other classes and you can see that how every skill is very consequent designed, complement very well with other skills and how they give also buffs or minor buffs.

The other classes you can see they have some skills that are useless or are a complete mess. In my opinion DKs are the worst designed, I mean many of their skills and then maybe stamina sorcerer's.

Warden well designed? Magden has 4 dps skills other classes have around 10 to choose from that work well in their builds. Winter's embrace is a mess with close to half of its morphs being worse than the rest of them. SCR no longer goes well with the "scorch-force pulse-cliff racer" combo. Most of the dps skills are raw damage with deep fissure being changed after initial release to have major breach. The class execute is on a specific ultimate that is only good in specific cases (mainly pve) when it should have been placed on something else the rest of the magden sub class could gain access to for example growing swarm as a poison injection-like magicka skill. Falcons swiftness and deceptive predator are useless now with the absurd cost and the skill is ONLY chosen for the minor berserk given by BoP. Our new stun is absolute garbage! Its expensive, barely heals the subclass that intends to use it, does no damage, is dodgeable, blockable and is a slow projectile. That is not well designed. Hell it's so badly thought out and tested that it's not reflectable! They don't care! It certainly is not well designed even in general.

For everyone else?
We never asked for stamden buffs. They were in a good spot before the buffs. Magden was the one that lacked. What we got was a nerf to magden and a buff to both dps classes in the same spot. The problem with asking for stamden nerfs is that our developers think that magden and stamden are the same thing. If you nerf stamden. You nerf magden which is in no need of one. We should have never been in this mess in the first place but since our devs don't play the game, we are. But if they suddenly knew how to balance the class they should revert the changes to bull netch(not blue betty) because stamina skills cost less and they could sustain fine before. This would be a start.
If you want to buff magden, you start by reworking some skills in Winter's Embrace. Or by making Glacial Presence actually worth something.

At the end of the day, when stamwarden is gone, you'll just find the next class.

I personally play the entire class of warden heals, tank, magdps and stamdps. I see what happens to the entire class. Stamden is for sure an issue at the moment. But we have to take things a step at a time.

Royaji · January 2019

StamWarden became what MagSorc used to be a year and a half ago. Very strong, very efficent burst... that is very telegraphed. Perfect noob-killer. Pair it with ability to very efficiently counter roly-poly-into-cloak nightblade's brainless defense tool and your salt farming operation is all good to go.

I want to hope that all the whining will not lead to something similiar that happened to magsorc but I'm not that naive.

Oh, and let's not forget that StamNB gets Fracture on their spammable and their dirt cheap ulti increases damage dealt by 20%. Wardens can only dream of something like that.

MLGProPlayer · January 2019

Qbiken wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

If only magden got a fraction of that love. Magden is still the worst DPS class in the game by a country mile (a position they've held since they were released). They make magsorcs seem like BiS.

In fact, I bet ZOS nerfs magden next patch (again). This is what they always do when stamden overperforms.

Can we stop this propaganda that magwarden is anywhere near being a weak/underpowered class???

Show me DPS parses that prove your point. Show me them being used in endgame content. Show me all the utility they provide to teams.

You can't do any of that. So let's stop useless posts from people who don't actually play the class. Thanks.

Some facts about magicka warden:

- Lowest DPS in the game
- Zero group utility (no room on skill bar for utilility skills if you want even remotely competitive DPS)
- Reliance on AI pet ultimate
- Requires a complex dynamic rotation (tied with NB for toughest rotation in the game)

If you don't play a class, don't make posts about it. Simple concept.

MLGProPlayer · January 2019

teladoy wrote: »

Wardens in general are better designed than the other classes and you can see that how every skill is very consequent designed, complement very well with other skills and how they give also buffs or minor buffs.

The other classes you can see they have some skills that are useless or are a complete mess. In my opinion DKs are the worst designed, I mean many of their skills and then maybe stamina sorcerer's.

Have you played magicka warden?

- 4x DPS skills (lol)
- 0x utility DPS skills

That's why they're so embarrassingly weak. They literally have no class damage/utility and rely on universal skills, but magicka classes don't have great universal skills like stam do, so they still end up using their underpowered class skills. The end result is a class everyone wants to kick from endgame content.

MajBludd · January 2019

I thought the crown store was zos favorite baby?

MLGProPlayer · January 2019

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

teladoy wrote: »

Wardens in general are better designed than the other classes and you can see that how every skill is very consequent designed, complement very well with other skills and how they give also buffs or minor buffs.

The other classes you can see they have some skills that are useless or are a complete mess. In my opinion DKs are the worst designed, I mean many of their skills and then maybe stamina sorcerer's.

Warden well designed? Magden has 4 dps skills other classes have around 10 to choose from that work well in their builds. Winter's embrace is a mess with close to half of its morphs being worse than the rest of them. SCR no longer goes well with the "scorch-force pulse-cliff racer" combo. Most of the dps skills are raw damage with deep fissure being changed after initial release to have major breach. The class execute is on a specific ultimate that is only good in specific cases (mainly pve) when it should have been placed on something else the rest of the magden sub class could gain access to for example growing swarm as a poison injection-like magicka skill. Falcons swiftness and deceptive predator are useless now with the absurd cost and the skill is ONLY chosen for the minor berserk given by BoP. Our new stun is absolute garbage! Its expensive, barely heals the subclass that intends to use it, does no damage, is dodgeable, blockable and is a slow projectile. That is not well designed. Hell it's so badly thought out and tested that it's not reflectable! They don't care! It certainly is not well designed even in general.

For everyone else?
We never asked for stamden buffs. They were in a good spot before the buffs. Magden was the one that lacked. What we got was a nerf to magden and a buff to both dps classes in the same spot. The problem with asking for stamden nerfs is that our developers think that magden and stamden are the same thing. If you nerf stamden. You nerf magden which is in no need of one. We should have never been in this mess in the first place but since our devs don't play the game, we are. But if they suddenly knew how to balance the class they should revert the changes to bull netch(not blue betty) because stamina skills cost less and they could sustain fine before. This would be a start.
If you want to buff magden, you start by reworking some skills in Winter's Embrace. Or by making Glacial Presence actually worth something.

At the end of the day, when stamwarden is gone, you'll just find the next class.

I personally play the entire class of warden heals, tank, magdps and stamdps. I see what happens to the entire class. Stamden is for sure an issue at the moment. But we have to take things a step at a time.

It amazes me how ZOS can't differentiate between stamina and magicka classes. And they created the *** system... I really hope they're listening to the class reps for the next balance patch, but I'm at the point where I've lost hope. Im expecting another magden nerf next patch.

Oberstein · January 2019

Duukar wrote: »

Advanced prey gives 3% damage (not weapon damage) bonus per ability slotted. Bird of prey gives minor berserk passive at 8% bonus damage.

To get a whopping 14% bonus dmg all a warden need do is slot Sub Assault and Bird of Prey.....

Sub Assault is cheap and literally the PERFECT burst tool plus gives major fracture. Perfect. Burst. Plus 3% dmg.

Bird of prey gives major expedition, major endurance and minor berserk passive. Plus 3% dmg.

Make your warden an orc. 18% bonus dmg now.

Top tier doesn't even begin to describe what ZoS has turned the stam warden into for pvp.

Too many tricks given to their favorite baby. Now we see BG rounds filled with wardens over performing.

Am I crazy or is anyone else noticing this?

What you typed here is just damage, more damage it's got more squishy it's get. You can't complain squishy players got damage because they traded them for their health/armor/resistant.

sevomd69 · January 2019

Qbiken wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

If only magden got a fraction of that love. Magden is still the worst DPS class in the game by a country mile (a position they've held since they were released). They make magsorcs seem like BiS.

In fact, I bet ZOS nerfs magden next patch (again). This is what they always do when stamden overperforms.

Can we stop this propaganda that magwarden is anywhere near being a weak/underpowered class???

One of my guildies mains a magden and hits 50+ on it and 70+ on raid parses...

ESO_Nightingale · January 2019

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

If only magden got a fraction of that love. Magden is still the worst DPS class in the game by a country mile (a position they've held since they were released). They make magsorcs seem like BiS.

In fact, I bet ZOS nerfs magden next patch (again). This is what they always do when stamden overperforms.

Can we stop this propaganda that magwarden is anywhere near being a weak/underpowered class???

Show me DPS parses that prove your point. Show me them being used in endgame content. Show me all the utility they provide to teams.

You can't do any of that. So let's stop useless posts from people who don't actually play the class. Thanks.

Some facts about magicka warden:

- Lowest DPS in the game
- Zero group utility (no room on skill bar for utilility skills if you want even remotely competitive DPS)
- Reliance on AI pet ultimate
- Relies on a complex dynamic rotation

You forgot 2 things

-where the *** are the rest of our dps skills?
-where the *** is our identity as Ice mages? Ice magic is not solely for tanking. If it were true i would not be seeing winter's revenge, ice comet, i would not see the force shock line with frost damage.

No. Frost is for both tanking AND damage dealing. And right now it is the perfect way to give magden what it needs.

ESO_Nightingale · January 2019

sevomd69 wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

If only magden got a fraction of that love. Magden is still the worst DPS class in the game by a country mile (a position they've held since they were released). They make magsorcs seem like BiS.

In fact, I bet ZOS nerfs magden next patch (again). This is what they always do when stamden overperforms.

Can we stop this propaganda that magwarden is anywhere near being a weak/underpowered class???

One of my guildies mains a magden and hits 50+ on it and 70+ on raid parses...

We still hit the lowest dps and have no utility a stamden cannot bring. It is weak and underpowered compared to the rest.

MLGProPlayer · January 2019

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

If only magden got a fraction of that love. Magden is still the worst DPS class in the game by a country mile (a position they've held since they were released). They make magsorcs seem like BiS.

In fact, I bet ZOS nerfs magden next patch (again). This is what they always do when stamden overperforms.

Can we stop this propaganda that magwarden is anywhere near being a weak/underpowered class???

Show me DPS parses that prove your point. Show me them being used in endgame content. Show me all the utility they provide to teams.

You can't do any of that. So let's stop useless posts from people who don't actually play the class. Thanks.

Some facts about magicka warden:

- Lowest DPS in the game
- Zero group utility (no room on skill bar for utilility skills if you want even remotely competitive DPS)
- Reliance on AI pet ultimate
- Relies on a complex dynamic rotation

You forgot 2 things

-where the *** are the rest of our dps skills?
-where the *** is our identity as Ice mages? Ice magic is not solely for tanking. If it were true i would not be seeing winter's revenge, ice comet, i would not see the force shock line with frost damage.

No. Frost is for both tanking AND damage dealing. And right now it is the perfect way to give magden what it needs.

Yep, 4 DPS skills for a magicka class is criminal. Magicka weapon skills suck (unlike stam), so we get absolutely *** by this design choice.

technohic · January 2019

Qbiken wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

If only magden got a fraction of that love. Magden is still the worst DPS class in the game by a country mile (a position they've held since they were released). They make magsorcs seem like BiS.

In fact, I bet ZOS nerfs magden next patch (again). This is what they always do when stamden overperforms.

Can we stop this propaganda that magwarden is anywhere near being a weak/underpowered class???

Its the way PvE is designed and how performance is measured there. It lacks the need for an all around build and only requires the extremese so they just look at their magwarden as a failure because they do not excel at the extremes.

MLGProPlayer · January 2019

sevomd69 wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

If only magden got a fraction of that love. Magden is still the worst DPS class in the game by a country mile (a position they've held since they were released). They make magsorcs seem like BiS.

In fact, I bet ZOS nerfs magden next patch (again). This is what they always do when stamden overperforms.

Can we stop this propaganda that magwarden is anywhere near being a weak/underpowered class???

One of my guildies mains a magden and hits 50+ on it and 70+ on raid parses...

The other classes all parse more and have more utility, and have easier rotations.

TequilaFire · January 2019

MajBludd wrote: »

I thought the crown store was zos favorite baby?

The crown store is where Wardens are born!

ralphylauren · January 2019

OP it’s called PAY-TO-WIN

Burtan · January 2019

I think op meant stamblade lmao

Claudman · January 2019

Anyone who makes a Stamwarden is evil.

That's why I made one. You know what they say...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmYK8fGKSA0

MooseKnuckles88 · January 2019

'My character is too strong' said no PVE player ever.

'Why isn't my character invincible' assumes every PVP player ever.

PVE player suffers at the expense of PVP players time and time again.

Girl_Number8 · January 2019

Another whine thread, yay!!~ There will always be a better class each dlc, play them rather then cry nerf or enjoy the fun like I do killing them with a class that a lot wouldn't bother to use. Though buff threads would help this game go a long way in diversity then the stupid blanket nerfs that Zos always uses, making the game more lackluster each and every time.

Cx staring reasonable buff threads may make Zos take a bolder direction where we will see a more enjoyable game for everyone, breathing much more life into PvP then it has now.

I have played PvP since the beta and there are a lot of things that take you time to learn to be good at it. Also, it was fun killing green and purple last night^^

I hope everyone has a wonderful day!!

Mr_Walker · January 2019

Slack wrote: »

I don't think they are overperformjng (and no I don't play stamwarden). Spin to Win is the main issue, take that away and most of those guys wouldnt be killing anything anymore

Well thank god it's only used in PvP, right?

Thogard · January 2019

Magden > stamden in BGs this patch cycle in the high MMR PC NA matches.

Mr_Walker · January 2019

The other day I was looking through my inventory and someone killed me. Please nerf the ability to do that I should be immortal when in my inventory.

Plus I also fell from a high place for 100K dmg we need to nerf gravity. It's strongly overpowered at the moment.

Duukar · January 2019

Royaji wrote: »

StamWarden became what MagSorc used to be a year and a half ago. Very strong, very efficent burst... that is very telegraphed. Perfect noob-killer. Pair it with ability to very efficiently counter roly-poly-into-cloak nightblade's brainless defense tool and your salt farming operation is all good to go.

I want to hope that all the whining will not lead to something similiar that happened to magsorc but I'm not that naive.

Oh, and let's not forget that StamNB gets Fracture on their spammable and their dirt cheap ulti increases damage dealt by 20%. Wardens can only dream of something like that.

Orc stam wardens get a constant 18% bonus dmg. That's almost better than the 28% NBs get for 6 seconds when they LAND incap..

In BGs stam warden is crushing stamblades