Do you primarily feel as though ZOS values you as a player/part of the community, or your wallet?

Tasear · January 2019

Complex question....so many ascepts to talk about.

Honestly, sometimes feel out of tune with players because they don't realize ompori of commication. People wouldn't if they had just mentioned early need to collect feathers. It's find to sell catch up, but they clearly lost some customer loyalty with the deception about extra feathers.

Sheezabeast · January 2019

I feel as though ZOS mostly just cares about finding ways to make money off of me.

I feel like ZOS has redefined what they consider a convenience. They just monetized and made a convenience the player experience.

yodased · January 2019

Poll is biased through language. They are a for profit business.

Their one goal is to maximize revenue from each engaged player.

Every business has this goal, you are not special to any of them. You are a means to an end.

Gaeliator · January 2019

I feel as though ZOS mostly just cares about finding ways to make money off of me.

yes yes I know they hv to keep it..."business-like". It's fine and "correct". But sometimes ZoS has gone too far, if u know what I mean.
ps. before long the thread will be "closed", maybe. No offense OP but this is how things work. U know it.

JackDaniell · January 2019

I feel as though ZOS mostly just cares about finding ways to make money off of me.

In B4 lock,

Zenimax doesnt take kindly to criticism.

ATomiX96 · January 2019

I feel as though ZOS mostly just cares about finding ways to make money off of me.

This is gonna get locked as soon as the zos mods wake up.
But its not just Zos doing that, its just what the game industry has become, its no longer about being passionate and caring about a good product, its just all about hitting that quota and money money money.

Mettaricana · January 2019

I feel as though ZOS mostly just cares about finding ways to make money off of me.

Haven't felt valued since p2p

Yolokin_Swagonborn · January 2019

I feel as though ZOS mostly just cares about finding ways to make money off of me.

This is what happens when sales and marketing people run a company.

They turn players into payers, and all we are left with is a big fat L.

Ertosi · January 2019

I feel as though ZOS mostly just cares about finding ways to make money off of me.

The removal of crates from daily login rewards.
No more free crates for ESO+ subscribers and instead giving us tiny statues and the chance to buy stuff early for 10% off.
Indriks being locked behind an elaborate ticket system, then tickets suddenly being offered in the Crown Store.
The snowcap fledgling gryphon was said to be the reward for holiday gift-giving, then suddenly slated for the Crown Store for anyone to buy.

Just how many recent examples are needed for this pattern to become evident to everyone?

Salvas_Aren · January 2019

I feel as though ZOS mostly just cares about finding ways to make money off of me.

kargen27 wrote: »

Why do so many assume a one or the other mentality with this game?

This thread is following along side the threads that demand ZoS quit creating new content and instead fix the game. They fail to realize there are different teams working on each aspect of the game. Instead they act as if there is one guy in a basement somewhere that switches tasks based on what ZoS feels is most important.

And people like you pretend that it is impossible to shift priorities within the HR.

Yeah, I totally see that it is impossible for a billion dollar company to hire more troubleshooters. A content creator who retires can be replaced by a content creator only. And hiring additional service staff is impossible, because reasons.

You don't have to find lame excuses - Zeni can do this very well.

Jaimeh · January 2019

I feel as though ZOS mostly just cares about finding ways to make money off of me.

First there's chapters that then become dlc's... then crates with apex mounts, followed by radiant apex mounts, followed by gem-exclusive items... then gift rewards, that can later just be bought from the CS, and finally, obscurity about getting extra feathers, because, you guessed it: event tickets can be bought from the CS. Let's just say trust issues have become a thing with ZOS

JumpmanLane · January 2019

I feel as though ZOS mostly just cares about finding ways to make money off of me.

yodased wrote: »

Poll is biased through language. They are a for profit business.

Their one goal is to maximize revenue from each engaged player.

Every business has this goal, you are not special to any of them. You are a means to an end.

It should be an equitable TRADE though. We should gain a value in exchange for the value (money) we give them. ESO should work as intended. If ESO doesn’t work as intended then it should be fixed.

Money grabs, like selling cosmetics in the crown store, and incentivizing logins (with daily rewards) are sure signs ZOS doesn’t intend on fixing anything that’s broken. As long as they can squeeze a little money out of their broken game it stays broken.

Coolits · January 2019

I feel as though ZOS mostly just cares about finding ways to make money off of me.

Unfortunately there is no question that ZoS value my wallet far more than they should.

If they valued me as an eldersrolls fan and player they would have done the right thing and removed the gambling boxes after all the pushback especially when it became clear just how harmful and preditory they are.

It's crystal clear what Zo$ value.

russelmmendoza · January 2019

Zos dont give a damn about me.
They cant make money off me.

Zos will be zos.
Its been years.
Get use to it.
Just have fun.
With the game.

BlazingDynamo · January 2019

I feel as though ZOS mostly just cares about finding ways to make money off of me.

When the game first launched it felt like Zos actually cared about creating a hell of an MMO. When Paul Sage left and it was clear the devs couldn't figure out how to keep this game fresh and balanced they threw themselves hard at the crown store and loot crates.

At the end of the day is the player bases fault for it being this bad. Because you guys are the ones soaking hundreds into the crown store. ESO+ and the occasional crown pack was all I bought. And this was when the game was fun. Now that it's so blatantly obvious they're milking the players I can't bring myself to buying crowns. How does everyone else?

max_only · January 2019

Only if they come to my birthday party will I feel like they care.

Suddwrath · January 2019

I feel as though ZOS mostly just cares about finding ways to make money off of me.

BlazingDynamo wrote: »

At the end of the day is the player bases fault for it being this bad. Because you guys are the ones soaking hundreds into the crown store. ESO+ and the occasional crown pack was all I bought. And this was when the game was fun. Now that it's so blatantly obvious they're milking the players I can't bring myself to buying crowns. How does everyone else?

I'm embarrassed to admit that I'm one of the players who spent more money than they should have given the current state of the game.

And it stings.

It really stings looking back at how many other better things that money could have been spent on.

Remag_Div · January 2019

I feel as though ZOS mostly just cares about finding ways to make money off of me.

I understand they're a business and need to make a profit to keep the game running but a lot of their crown store shenanigans are the worst.

The latest being event tickets on the crown store is just awful.

Archemer · January 2019

I feel as though ZOS mostly just cares about finding ways to make money off of me.

I feel like marketing makes too many choices, but it's still a fun game.

I feel the love mostly in expansions, and some dlc. Crown store choices not so much.

Siohwenoeht · January 2019

I feel valued by ZOS as a player and part of the ESO community.

I think it comes down to managing expectations. You can't expect a MMORPG to only have a pay once business model like a single-player rpg and survive for any length of time. That pay once model puts an expiry on the game the minute it's launched. Even single-player RPGs have season passes or buy-as-you-go dlcs.

If zos didn't care about keeping players playing the game they wouldn't have dlc's and chapters dropping every quarter. But it goes hand in hand with making a profit. The profit keeps the content coming.

Frankly I wish the sub only model was still in effect but almost the entire industry has moved away from it.

magikarper · January 2019

myskyrim26 wrote: »

ZOS need my money. And my money is the only way for ESO to exist.

Guys. Don't be kids. ZOS represent a COMMERCIAL company.

ZOS CREATE AND MAINTAIN ESO FOR MONEY.
AND THIS IS JUST LIKE YOUR BAKERY MAKES BREAD - AN ORDINARY BUSINESS

An owner of a bakery doesn't care for you. He needs your money. An owner of you sports gym/apartment/phone operator doesn't care for you. He needs your money.

I run my small business. I don't give a flying duck for my costumers, I need their money.

THIS IS NORMAL. GROW UP, NEO. SPEND MONEY AND HAVE SOMETHING INSTEAD - THIS IS REAL LIFE

I own a law firm, and I care about every one of my clients. My goal is to help them. The fact that I get paid well to do so certainly was part of the reason I became an attorney, but I left the corporate legal environment to start my own firm for the express purpose of caring more about my clients than the big firms do. My clients have to pay me for my services, but they are the reason I chose this profession, not their money. It's a shame you care so little about your customers.

notimetocare · January 2019

A company... trying to make money... now way... I'm shocked

jcm2606 · January 2019

I feel as though ZOS mostly just cares about finding ways to make money off of me.

Is this a trick question?

Salvas_Aren · January 2019

I feel as though ZOS mostly just cares about finding ways to make money off of me.

myskyrim26 wrote: »

ZOS need my money. And my money is the only way for ESO to exist.

Guys. Don't be kids. ZOS represent a COMMERCIAL company.

ZOS CREATE AND MAINTAIN ESO FOR MONEY.
AND THIS IS JUST LIKE YOUR BAKERY MAKES BREAD - AN ORDINARY BUSINESS

An owner of a bakery doesn't care for you. He needs your money. An owner of you sports gym/apartment/phone operator doesn't care for you. He needs your money.

I run my small business. I don't give a flying duck for my costumers, I need their money.

THIS IS NORMAL. GROW UP, NEO. SPEND MONEY AND HAVE SOMETHING INSTEAD - THIS IS REAL LIFE

True.

However. Two weeks after Bethesda's reputation got rekt in its inglorious entirety by the announced lawsuits due to Canvasgate and the bug farm, I searched YT for *Fallout 76 is great*. Found one video where the host liked it. Rest of the hits was basically $hitstorming and satire. If this is a trend, they will get shipwrecked so badly.

So - in terms of your business. If I were your highly unsatisfied customer and came in touch with other fellow customers of yours, learning that you actually have only one satisfied customer left, that would tell me everything. And informing you that you only have one customer left for your business should turn your face color into Soulshriven instantly.

Because unsatisfied customers don't dump their money in your pocket. Unsatisfied customers give a $hit for your profit and your living. THIS IS REAL LIFE.

ccfeeling · January 2019

I feel as though ZOS mostly just cares about finding ways to make money off of me.

Simple example - Crafting bag

ZOS never design the game user-friendly , they are what they are , ZO$

mxxo · January 2019

I feel valued by ZOS as a player and part of the ESO community.

I hate yes or no answers.

Since the negative things have been pointed out already i write down only what makes me feel valued as a player.

- Forums are moderated and i can freely bring up good things or critics
- Support helped me fast even on New Year
- Zenimax does listen to players to some extent; for example: we got the changes for the undaunted celebration and the kind of recompensation we proposed
- ESO+ is really fair and good
- ESO is not pay to win; cosmetic stuff has heavy pricetags sometimes but the game is no rip-off and you can get a lot of things ingame
- new content is not just spam, its made with love
- pc players are able to use a lot of addons, even if they are sometimes a bit contradictive to what zenimax wants
- maintenance is fast and there are like never after-maintenance-bugs
- the game is getting improved step by step (i know there are performance issues and bugs, it could be faster, but its not like nothing improves)
- Devs sometimes make decisions which may not please us in the beginning, but are sometimes good for the long term development of the game.. i interpret this as caring

Iluvrien · January 2019

I feel as though ZOS mostly just cares about finding ways to make money off of me.

Wallet. Obviously. Ever since Glass.

Starlock · January 2019

None of the above. Given I have never directly interacted with a Zenimax employee (much less most of the company), I doubt they know I exist, much less value (or not value) me personally. Put another way, it’s not about me. Nor will it ever be.

Rontabs77 · January 2019

I feel valued by ZOS as a player and part of the ESO community.

So many negative votes. How come? ZOS has done an excellent job at getting this game to where it is at now, specially in terms of fairness. For me, it is one of the best games that I have ever played. Also, why would anyone be suprised that it is about the money, do they not realize that even people back then needed to fish for fish?

richo262 · January 2019

I could not find the 'I don't care option'.

The truth is, it is both.

They need money or they would not be in business, they do care about the customer, or they would not get their money.

I assure you ZOS is concerned about the bugs and lag, they know Cyro is dying, they know when it is dead, their revenue will be hit. It is all connected, it is not one or the other.

This thread is dumb.