Take a Ritalin and let the tank do his job.

AcadianPaladin wrote: »

Zacuel wrote: »

Why are tanks slow? I mean I'm not mashing Sprint or anything... Tanks that know how to move are the best kinds.

Tanks are not necessarily slow but it generally works better for them if the pace is not breakneck. They use a lot of stam and mag while tanking and very often are relatively low on both when the boss from one big fight dies. Since block negates stam regen, tanks generally have very low stam regen. Short story is that many tanks use the jog to the next fight to regen blue and green. Good healers will often drop shards right on the tank after a big fight to help. Sprinting is counterproductive for a tank between fights. I will jog to the next fight. If I feel pressure to ensure my blue and green are full before I get there I drink a tristat potion which feels rather wasteful when 15-20 seconds longer to get the next fight would save that potion.

As tank, I want to lead and will move as quickly as I reasonably can, trying to be sensitive to if anyone is lagging behind or needs quest objectives. As dps or healer, I want the tank to lead and that responsibility includes the authority to set the pace.

100% this! When I dps and heal, I say behind the tank. When I tank, I make sure I have the resources needed to last through a boss fight. Dungeons are meant to be a group effort, and if you don't have a group comes first mentality, then learn how to solo the dungeons. If you are there with other people, you look out for the group and do your role appropriately.

As far as I am concerned, if you dont let a tank do his job, then you dont need one. I will ask 3 times for people not to aggro mobs...after the 3rd time, I just leave, since they feel they dont need a tank, I oblige them.

It depends. If the group has new folks in it I'll grab the aggro when I get there. If someone is doing the quest I'll stay with them. I'll usually just leave a group it's plagued with issues. There are lots of folks/groups that are enjoyable to play with, I dont need to spend much time with the others.

It's mostly not an issue anymore for me. I reluctantly made a tank because of the "fake tank" issues. I find it to be enjoyable, but the undaunted event soured me on tanking in PUGs for a number of reasons. I avoid the RDF on my tank.

When I use the RDF it's usually on one of my DDs or healers and I stay with the tank. Bundle them up, debuff, and I'll burn them. Thanks for the keys and the crystals, have a nice day.

DedEmbryonicCell19 wrote: »

I really enjoy being a tank, level 28 and it definitely fits my play style more than any other class ..

I aggro as much of the mob as I can plus the boss .. but I won't chase the mob around once they release from me, usually keep my focus on the boss after that ..

Only time I come off the boss is if I see the healer running around for his life trying to fight off enemies, usually run out aggro them back onto me then back to the boss ..

I'm still learning how to use a tank properly but I've yet to have anybody get mad at me for not doing my job ..

That's pretty much the right tactic. Keep taunt on the boss, crowd control the rest of the mobs if you can. The only time I worry about taunting other mobs in a normal dungeon is if they are heavy hitters like minibosses or two-handers who can one-shot my DDs.

Really I hate the pulling guys, because seems they think it will be faster if they pull themselves. Reality is that 90% of them can't position the mobs properly, so they usually kill trash twice longer comparing to wait a second and let me start the battle
No questions to other 10% that know the positioning job. I just try to help, if I see the guy knows what to do.

As for my reaction:
In normal I'll switch to rusty dd with taunt and do 3dd.
In vet I'll let the pulling guy tank it until boss switch to any other group mate. If it is trash, I collect all the mobs except on pulling guy. He wish to tank? Let it be. Just the other mates shouldn't suffer of he looses the aggro. It often happens just once, and then the pulling guy learns to wait a second for a tank
In trial I'll just wait for his death.

If people are just rushing into mobs without waiting for the rest of the group, I just let them go and keep the normal pace with the rest. I am not going to rush and stress for those guys.

If you can organize the adds efficiently and kill them all fast without 7-8k resistance debuff and the other stuff a tank provides, then go ahead... I'll relax a bit, have at it if you want to do all the work. The people capable of this are much more rare than the people who think they are capable.

I'm always thinking if the time saved by running ahead alone is less than or equivalent to the time saved by the whole group contributing. I enjoy stacking adds at the end (boss, gate, door) to maximize efficiency - seldom that happens, its usually just an inefficient pull that lowers group dps if the tank isn't there. The PUG isn't your guild 3 dps speed run, and it's not their fault.

Do it right, I have no problem. Do it wrong, and we'll all laugh at your deflated ego while we give you pointers on dungeon basics to rub it in.

If you want to troll the speed runner, just chain adds back to the group out of their aoes and into the group aoes.
Or, if they run ahead, run right past where they stop and start aggro on the next mobs. Double down on the dps boast with more for them to kill - you are the tank after all, so pull mobs as you see fit! If they can't deal with it - keep doing it until they let tank do pulls or the PUG is over. Really though, the best thing to do is just finish the content and move on.

Hey, I didn't make the rules.

It'd be a shame if I forgot to heal them too. Unless the tank is the one speedrunning (or the tank is a DPS and the other DPS is speedrunning), I ain't speedrunning.

It is a big issue if a tank is so slow to allow the DD's to run ahead of a group.