Need help with improving dps from 25k

Syy101 · January 2019

My magblade can barely pull around 23-25k dps with food buff, and around 27-30k with potions, while everybody else seems to be able to pull 40k+ dps with their eyes closed on a magblade. I see many ppl say that magblade is the dps king but why by the eight divines my stam dk TANK can pull more dps than my magblade with Hunding and Briarheart gears???

My set up mainly follows this Alcast build (please don’t laugh at me for using YouTube build): https://alcasthq.com/eso-magicka-nightblade-build-pve/
But I don’t have any trial gears or MA weapons. I use julianos + mother sorrow. All armor enchanted with Magicka. All jewelry enchanted with spell dmg. One staff with fire enchantment and the other with spell dmg enchantment. Both staves gold.

I know animations canceling, weave in light attacks but still don’t find my magblade anything better than my stam dk, let alone be the “dps king”. Please help.

Edited: I am cp640 now.

Gnozo · January 2019

Sets are pretty okay, only thing that really would help improve dps is practice on rotation.

Most players dont think about it but just throwing in "I know ani cancel and light attack weaving " doesnt prove anything.

Upload a video of you doing a 6m dummy parse and i guess our pve heroes will help you out to Improve it. Cause 35k dps is definitly possible with jul and mother sorrow .

Elwendryll · January 2019

I have a main magblade friend who deals 40k+. She sent me a picture of her notes. She had to use a paper to write down the rotation as a support for her practice. Because it's really complex compared to like, my rotation as a stamsorc, which consists in throwing my dots in the same order and ending the cycle with my spammable.

O_LYKOS · January 2019

It can be daunting but assuming you’ve followed alcasts build the best you can all you can do now it practice. Have someone apply ele drain for you. Make sure you’re using spell power pots.

I struggled to get passed 20k. I practiced so much in one day I was hitting 30k by the end of it. It’s basically getting the rotation down then banging it out as fast and smooth as you can.

Dragonnord · January 2019

Elwendryll wrote: »

I have a main magblade friend who deals 40k+. She sent me a picture of her notes. She had to use a paper to write down the rotation as a support for her practice. Because it's really complex compared to like, my rotation as a stamsorc, which consist in throwing my dots in the same order and ending the cycle with my spammable.

This is not necessarily true, since I do a static rotation with my magblade and pull 45k+, a very static rotation like stam toons do.

I don't care about magblade max dps and didn't want to complicate myself with dynamic rotations, so I just use the skills in the exact same order (going from back to front bar) during the whole parse (spam execute at the end).

Only non-static skill I use is bow proc (and so I use one less spammable hit in front bar).

My magblade rotation is just like a stamina toon rotation; very basic and, as mentioned, can pull 45k+ (self buffed).

Syy101 · January 2019

Gnozo wrote: »

Sets are pretty okay, only thing that really would help improve dps is practice on rotation.

Most players dont think about it but just throwing in "I know ani cancel and light attack weaving " doesnt prove anything.

Upload a video of you doing a 6m dummy parse and i guess our pve heroes will help you out to Improve it. Cause 35k dps is definitly possible with jul and mother sorrow .

Sorry but I don't know how to post a video here...

My rotation is like this:

Pre-buff merciless resolve and siphoning attack, then
elemental blockade > twisting path > crippling grasp > swap weapon > spam funnel health/impale until merciless resolve bow proc > continue spamming until the dot runs out, then swap weapon and start again. Re-buff merciless resolve and siphoning every two rotations.

xMovingTarget · January 2019

Syy101 wrote: »

Gnozo wrote: »

Sets are pretty okay, only thing that really would help improve dps is practice on rotation.

Most players dont think about it but just throwing in "I know ani cancel and light attack weaving " doesnt prove anything.

Upload a video of you doing a 6m dummy parse and i guess our pve heroes will help you out to Improve it. Cause 35k dps is definitly possible with jul and mother sorrow .

Sorry but I don't know how to post a video here...

You just upload it to youtube and link it here. Easy peasy ))

Sparr0w · January 2019

MagBlade
Cripple > Swap > la > Blockade > la > Path > Swap > 5 skills
Cripple > Swap > la > Blockade > Swap > 4 skills > Swap > la > Path > Swap > 1 skill
Cripple > Swap > la > Blockade > 6 skills

Skills consist of: Bow proc, Merciless Resolve, Elemental Weapon/Impale, Siphoning Strikes, Ultimate

Note you can just repeat the first line of magblade rotation without much dps loss.

Note 2 you can also time from cripple expiring, rather than counting skills which is what I do.

Magblade has one of the harder rotations, takes a while to get used to it.

Syy101 · January 2019

Sparr0w wrote: »

MagBlade
Cripple > Swap > la > Blockade > la > Path > Swap > 5 skills
Cripple > Swap > la > Blockade > Swap > 4 skills > Swap > la > Path > Swap > 1 skill
Cripple > Swap > la > Blockade > 6 skills

Skills consist of: Bow proc, Merciless Resolve, Elemental Weapon/Impale, Siphoning Strikes, Ultimate

Note you can just repeat the first line of magblade rotation without much dps loss.

Note 2 you can also time from cripple expiring, rather than counting skills which is what I do.

Magblade has one of the harder rotations, takes a while to get used to it.

My rotation is kind of like the first one, except that my cripple is on the same bar with blockade and path.

Could you explain why the second one is so complicated?

Jaimeh · January 2019

Syy101 wrote: »

Sparr0w wrote: »

MagBlade
Cripple > Swap > la > Blockade > la > Path > Swap > 5 skills
Cripple > Swap > la > Blockade > Swap > 4 skills > Swap > la > Path > Swap > 1 skill
Cripple > Swap > la > Blockade > 6 skills

Skills consist of: Bow proc, Merciless Resolve, Elemental Weapon/Impale, Siphoning Strikes, Ultimate

Note you can just repeat the first line of magblade rotation without much dps loss.

Note 2 you can also time from cripple expiring, rather than counting skills which is what I do.

Magblade has one of the harder rotations, takes a while to get used to it.

My rotation is kind of like the first one, except that my cripple is on the same bar with blockade and path.

Could you explain why the second one is so complicated?

The second one is more complicated because it's dynamic, they are doing an extra swap just to refresh path when it's done, instead of refreshing it along with the other DOTs before it's finished (since it lasts more than cripple/WOE).

Syy101 wrote: »

Gnozo wrote: »

Sets are pretty okay, only thing that really would help improve dps is practice on rotation.

Most players dont think about it but just throwing in "I know ani cancel and light attack weaving " doesnt prove anything.

Upload a video of you doing a 6m dummy parse and i guess our pve heroes will help you out to Improve it. Cause 35k dps is definitly possible with jul and mother sorrow .

Sorry but I don't know how to post a video here...

My rotation is like this:

Pre-buff merciless resolve and siphoning attack, then
elemental blockade > twisting path > crippling grasp > swap weapon > spam funnel health/impale until merciless resolve bow proc > continue spamming until the dot runs out, then swap weapon and start again. Re-buff merciless resolve and siphoning every two rotations.

Are you using elemental drain on the dummy? Do you get at least 2 bow procs per merciless cast? Looking at your LA % can help with knowing if your weaving is OK. Also, do you start with drinking a potion, and then casting ulti? I do the destro ulti first and then continue with soul harvest when it's up.

Rhoswyn · January 2019

I've been struggling to do this build too... I can get okay dps but run out of magicka so quick

Syy101 · January 2019

Jaimeh wrote: »

Syy101 wrote: »

Sparr0w wrote: »

MagBlade
Cripple > Swap > la > Blockade > la > Path > Swap > 5 skills
Cripple > Swap > la > Blockade > Swap > 4 skills > Swap > la > Path > Swap > 1 skill
Cripple > Swap > la > Blockade > 6 skills

Skills consist of: Bow proc, Merciless Resolve, Elemental Weapon/Impale, Siphoning Strikes, Ultimate

Note you can just repeat the first line of magblade rotation without much dps loss.

Note 2 you can also time from cripple expiring, rather than counting skills which is what I do.

Magblade has one of the harder rotations, takes a while to get used to it.

My rotation is kind of like the first one, except that my cripple is on the same bar with blockade and path.

Could you explain why the second one is so complicated?

The second one is more complicated because it's dynamic, they are doing an extra swap just to refresh path when it's done, instead of refreshing it along with the other DOTs before it's finished (since it lasts more than cripple/WOE).

Syy101 wrote: »

Gnozo wrote: »

Sets are pretty okay, only thing that really would help improve dps is practice on rotation.

Most players dont think about it but just throwing in "I know ani cancel and light attack weaving " doesnt prove anything.

Upload a video of you doing a 6m dummy parse and i guess our pve heroes will help you out to Improve it. Cause 35k dps is definitly possible with jul and mother sorrow .

Sorry but I don't know how to post a video here...

My rotation is like this:

Pre-buff merciless resolve and siphoning attack, then
elemental blockade > twisting path > crippling grasp > swap weapon > spam funnel health/impale until merciless resolve bow proc > continue spamming until the dot runs out, then swap weapon and start again. Re-buff merciless resolve and siphoning every two rotations.

Are you using elemental drain on the dummy? Do you get at least 2 bow procs per merciless cast? Looking at your LA % can help with knowing if your weaving is OK. Also, do you start with drinking a potion, and then casting ulti? I do the destro ulti first and then continue with soul harvest when it's up.

Yes I use elemental drain (and sometimes have my friend cast it) and have 2 bow procs per merciless. I start with drinking potion but don't have ulti ready every time.
LA percentage may be something worth checking. What is the baseline for it?

kathandira · January 2019

Syy101 wrote: »

My magblade can barely pull around 23-25k dps with food buff, and around 27-30k with potions, while everybody else seems to be able to pull 40k+ dps with their eyes closed on a magblade. I see many ppl say that magblade is the dps king but why by the eight divines my stam dk TANK can pull more dps than my magblade with Hunding and Briarheart gears???

My set up mainly follows this Alcast build (please don’t laugh at me for using YouTube build): https://alcasthq.com/eso-magicka-nightblade-build-pve/
But I don’t have any trial gears or MA weapons. I use julianos + mother sorrow. All armor enchanted with Magicka. All jewelry enchanted with spell dmg. One staff with fire enchantment and the other with spell dmg enchantment. Both staves gold.

I know animations canceling, weave in light attacks but still don’t find my magblade anything better than my stam dk, let alone be the “dps king”. Please help.

Edited: I am cp640 now.

All about rotation.

Before combat, activate Siphoning Strikes and Merciless Resolve. Refresh as necessary throughout the fight
Pop a Essence of Spell Power potion
Drop Elemental Rage (Destro Ultimate)
Light Attack
Crippling Grasp
Light Attack
Twisting Path
Light Attack
Elemental Blockade
Light Attack
Concealed Weapon or Swallow Soul (your choice of which you slot)
Light Attack
Spectral Arrow
[Repeat]
Once the target gets below 25% health, replace concealed weapon/swallow soul with Impale in the rotation

Doing this should get your DPS up.

Protossyder · January 2019

Syy101 wrote: »

Jaimeh wrote: »

Syy101 wrote: »

Sparr0w wrote: »

MagBlade
Cripple > Swap > la > Blockade > la > Path > Swap > 5 skills
Cripple > Swap > la > Blockade > Swap > 4 skills > Swap > la > Path > Swap > 1 skill
Cripple > Swap > la > Blockade > 6 skills

Skills consist of: Bow proc, Merciless Resolve, Elemental Weapon/Impale, Siphoning Strikes, Ultimate

Note you can just repeat the first line of magblade rotation without much dps loss.

Note 2 you can also time from cripple expiring, rather than counting skills which is what I do.

Magblade has one of the harder rotations, takes a while to get used to it.

My rotation is kind of like the first one, except that my cripple is on the same bar with blockade and path.

Could you explain why the second one is so complicated?

The second one is more complicated because it's dynamic, they are doing an extra swap just to refresh path when it's done, instead of refreshing it along with the other DOTs before it's finished (since it lasts more than cripple/WOE).

Syy101 wrote: »

Gnozo wrote: »

Sets are pretty okay, only thing that really would help improve dps is practice on rotation.

Most players dont think about it but just throwing in "I know ani cancel and light attack weaving " doesnt prove anything.

Upload a video of you doing a 6m dummy parse and i guess our pve heroes will help you out to Improve it. Cause 35k dps is definitly possible with jul and mother sorrow .

Sorry but I don't know how to post a video here...

My rotation is like this:

Pre-buff merciless resolve and siphoning attack, then
elemental blockade > twisting path > crippling grasp > swap weapon > spam funnel health/impale until merciless resolve bow proc > continue spamming until the dot runs out, then swap weapon and start again. Re-buff merciless resolve and siphoning every two rotations.

Are you using elemental drain on the dummy? Do you get at least 2 bow procs per merciless cast? Looking at your LA % can help with knowing if your weaving is OK. Also, do you start with drinking a potion, and then casting ulti? I do the destro ulti first and then continue with soul harvest when it's up.

Yes I use elemental drain (and sometimes have my friend cast it) and have 2 bow procs per merciless. I start with drinking potion but don't have ulti ready every time.
LA percentage may be something worth checking. What is the baseline for it?

LAs / combat time in seconds >= 0,9

Elwendryll · January 2019

Dragonnord wrote: »

This is not necessarily true, since I do a static rotation with my magblade and pull 45k+, a very static rotation like stam toons do.

Yeah, in that case I was talking about that specific rotation my friend had on the piece of paper. It was even written twice, so it was easier to start over without losing track.

Oberstein · January 2019

Get some good gear and keep training on your mechanics, combos. It will pass 25k that time.

siddique · January 2019

Wait a minute, you measure DPS by dropping an ultimate too? I've been measuring mine without using ultimates. -_-

adeptusminor · January 2019

Don't forget to use use re-arming trap for the extra crit damage

adeptusminor · January 2019

Assuming Front bar setup is (order is arbitrary) 1.EleWeapon (more dps)/Swallow Soul 2. Impale 3. Merciless Resolve 4. Crippling Grasp 5. Inner Light ULT: Destro Staff Ult
Back Bar: 1. Twisting Path 2. Wall of Elements 3. Siphoning Strikes 4: Re-arming Trap 5. Ele drain (if someone else is eledraining for you, use Inner Light ULT: Soul Harvest

Drink a potion, wait until about 35 seconds are left before it expires, then pre cast all your buffs (Soul Siphon, Ele-drain, Merciless (Pro tip-cast Channeled Acceleration then swap it out with re-arming trap for ~35 seconds of free Minor Force))

Start the parse with Light Attack->Destro Ult/barswap cancel/light attack/Blockade/Light Attack/Twisting/light attack/barswap/crippling/lightattack/merciless proc. From that point on, it's keeping all your dots up and light attacking between everything you do. That's the general idea and I haven't played since mid December so I'm going from memory of how I do it and it might be slightly different.

Make sure you cast your soul harvest ult after you have laid down Wall of Elements and twisting path and re-arming trap, that way you will spend a majority of the time on your front bar where the increased damage will do even more. Also, once you get to execute range (25%), you only want to keep up re-arming trap and wall of elements, stop casting twisting path, crippling and hopefully siphoning if you've timed your potion drinking/previous siphoning casts up correctly.

edit: In the case you have 2 or even all 3 of your DOTS (Twisting/WoE/Crippling) expiring at the same time or something, the order of precedence is Wall of Elements, Twisting Path, and finally Crippling Grasp. You want to keep WoE up as much as possible since it will buff your light attack damage.