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Streak!! :D
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Steelshiv✭✭✭✭OtherOther: tweak bolt escape so that it's easier to aim. I've bolt escaped to nowhere before many times.0 -
Oreyn_Bearclaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Remove increase cost on bolt escape and morphsI would remove the stack cost, but I would also increase the base cost a bit. I would also remove the stupid pause after you cast and figure out how to make it work on uneven terrain.
To anyone crying about the old days, all I can say is the game is very different now. Even with streak, mSorcs struggle with mobility, which is crazy when you think about it. Compared to cloak (also a mobilty/escape tool) streak is laughably terrible.
Skills simply shouldnt have stack costs. Its a bad mechanic. If you want to prevent spamming, adjust the base cost accordingly. I can live with it for dodgeroll, especially considering it makes you near immortal, but that is not a skill.
If there is any skill in this game that merits a stack cost, it's cloak, not that I am advocating for one.Edited by Oreyn_Bearclaw on January 2, 2019 8:38PM3 -
Karmanorway✭✭✭✭✭
✭Remove increase cost on bolt escape and morphsKarmanorway wrote: »LoL! NBs have voted for cost increase to stay, but in the thread were we are discussing cloak atm they say that they are against the cost increase treatment. Amazing the hypocrisy on these forums xD
So if cost increase stay on streak, can we finaly get the same treatment with cloak?
I play often as a NB, and i vote for removing streak cost increase. Btw, NBs dont have shields like sorcs do, so that is a really really bad comparison
Sorc dont got shields anymore, worst defence in the game.
They seem to do fine with armor master, which i use on my Main mag sorc btw. Havent met any NB yet that could kill me solo0 -
Tan9oSuccka✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Leave bolt escape/morphs alonePeople actually want it back the way it was.
Every single fight a Sorc was losing.....Streak spam and gone.
Let’s not go back to that, thx.1 -
WuffyCerulei✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭OtherKeep the momentum it gives you. Not be rooted for a second. The cost increase keeps people from spamming it all the time, which is fair. But we need something better to it."Buzz Lightyear toy isle shot" Stormcalling/Animal Companions/Assassination PVP build hater
Bring Back Pure Class Build Power0 -
smacx250✭✭✭✭✭Leave bolt escape/morphs alonePlease leave it alone! If they touch it it's nearly guaranteed it will ultimately end up worse - either broken or extra-re-nerfed on the next patch, or both!
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Oreyn_Bearclaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Remove increase cost on bolt escape and morphsTan9oSuccka wrote: »People actually want it back the way it was.
Every single fight a Sorc was losing.....Streak spam and gone.
Let’s not go back to that, thx.
So exactly like fighting a NB today but with cloak?6 -
JumpmanLane✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Actually_Goku wrote: »As a non-sorc, main a mag DK, I have had hundreds of sorcs streak away from me whilst I pitifully waddle after them/mist form after them, I say leave them as they are. Before the cost increase it was just too easy to abandon every losing fight for mag sorcs. Now, at the very least, they can escape if needed and reset the fight, but not completely disengage against every spec. It’s fine as is.
I honestly believe the root of the issue here, is that most Mag Sorcs use Streak rather than the defensive morph designed as an escape rather than an offensive stun (ball of lightning?) and still expect it to be an insta-escape.
I main a magdk. I say leave it as it is. If a Sorc is streaking he’s running. Now if I know and don’t like the fool, I’ll pop a speed pot and run him in the ground. (Just like when a cloak-blade keeps cloaking, I’ll pop a detect pop and its ON! Lol).
Sorcs been nerfed enough. The guys who continue to play magsorc are really skilled players and it makes for good fights or they are wannabes who want to be seen as really skilled players who streak away and come back, streak away and come back. I usually give up and fight someone else lol.0 -
JumpmanLane✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Karmanorway wrote: »LoL! NBs have voted for cost increase to stay, but in the thread were we are discussing cloak atm they say that they are against the cost increase treatment. Amazing the hypocrisy on these forums xD
So if cost increase stay on streak, can we finaly get the same treatment with cloak?
I play often as a NB, and i vote for removing streak cost increase. Btw, NBs dont have shields like sorcs do, so that is a really really bad comparison
He means using cloak to disengage and reset the fight. Which is what some annoying sorcs do when they streak off and then then come back.
As an aside, I always wondered what NB’s were actually doing when they cloaked. SO, I slotted some detect pots and APPARENTLY NB’s in cloak do a lot of walking around in stealth waiting for a heavy attack, structured Entropy, light attack, Fossilize, Whip, powerlash, LEAP...apparently...
Then, they like to hate tell ya and act like they never heard of wings and detect pots lol.0 -
Nyladreas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Pineapples
YeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaEdited by Nyladreas on January 2, 2019 10:57PM1 -
Caligamy_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭As the cost of bolt escape/morphs increases, so does the distance travelledBecause this change wouldn't even matter ^ You'll still trip and land on your face every time there's a slight incline or bump in the terrain and then sit there without your magicka.love is love1 -
Trinity_Is_My_Name✭✭✭✭✭
✭Remove increase cost on bolt escape and morphsIs Streak the only Ability in game that has the cost increase penalty? What about that Warden Ability allowing them to pull themselves to another Player? Should it also have the same cost increase treatment? Are there other Abilities that also have this mechanic that are not at a cost increase for instantly using them?0 -
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✭PineapplesBeing truth to the name, all sorcs casting this skill should drop their gear on a neat pile at their starting point
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JobooAGS✭✭✭✭✭
✭PineapplesTrinity_Is_My_Name wrote: »Is Streak the only Ability in game that has the cost increase penalty? What about that Warden Ability allowing them to pull themselves to another Player? Should it also have the same cost increase treatment? Are there other Abilities that also have this mechanic that are not at a cost increase for instantly using them?
I think streak is the only ability with a cost penalty0 -
NyassaV✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭keep mommentum and go a few more meters
Flawless Conqueror ~ Grand OverlordShe/Her ~ PC/NA | I record things for fun and for info0 -
ezio45✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭OtherKarmanorway wrote: »LoL! NBs have voted for cost increase to stay, but in the thread were we are discussing cloak atm they say that they are against the cost increase treatment. Amazing the hypocrisy on these forums xD
So if cost increase stay on streak, can we finaly get the same treatment with cloak?
I play often as a NB, and i vote for removing streak cost increase. Btw, NBs dont have shields like sorcs do, so that is a really really bad comparison
noone has a f#@*ing shield anymore.... there a joke
and ya lets just ignore the disappear on command button.....1 -
ezio45✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭OtherOreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Tan9oSuccka wrote: »People actually want it back the way it was.
Every single fight a Sorc was losing.....Streak spam and gone.
Let’s not go back to that, thx.
So exactly like fighting a NB today but with cloak?
agreed1 -
Dyvm✭Sorc dont got shields anymore, worst defence in the game.
I don't know, I have a tank Sorc that uses a 3 shield stack. The Source shield, the Undaunted shield, and the (almost) free Psijic shield. While each is limited to x % of health, they stack so I can run around a 40k+ shield for about 4 sec.
As for streak, I don't mind it as is. One interesting note is that (and don't ask me how I know this) if you run Duragh King Slayer, one of the streaks sets the speed buff even if nothing is around.0 -
Karmanorway✭✭✭✭✭
✭Remove increase cost on bolt escape and morphsKarmanorway wrote: »LoL! NBs have voted for cost increase to stay, but in the thread were we are discussing cloak atm they say that they are against the cost increase treatment. Amazing the hypocrisy on these forums xD
So if cost increase stay on streak, can we finaly get the same treatment with cloak?
I play often as a NB, and i vote for removing streak cost increase. Btw, NBs dont have shields like sorcs do, so that is a really really bad comparison
noone has a f#@*ing shield anymore.... there a joke
and ya lets just ignore the disappear on command button.....
Lol ok so remove cloak then, and get 2shot by everything... Happy now? 1 -
JobooAGS✭✭✭✭✭
✭PineapplesKarmanorway wrote: »LoL! NBs have voted for cost increase to stay, but in the thread were we are discussing cloak atm they say that they are against the cost increase treatment. Amazing the hypocrisy on these forums xD
So if cost increase stay on streak, can we finaly get the same treatment with cloak?
I play often as a NB, and i vote for removing streak cost increase. Btw, NBs dont have shields like sorcs do, so that is a really really bad comparison
noone has a f#@*ing shield anymore.... there a joke
and ya lets just ignore the disappear on command button.....
Sorc is hurting a bit, even with the slightly reverted nerf to frags. Shield nerf and healing ward nerf hurt sorcs badly and need some buffs0 -
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✭As the cost of bolt escape/morphs increases, so does the secondary effectsI would prefer it to be less clunky mainly. As a stamsorc I can't spam it, so when I do use it I would like it to actually get me out of the bad situation, not make it worse. Sometimes it doesn't even do anything and I stand their and die.
The animation is very clunky though. It should be instant, and also go over terrain better, as most of the time it slows you so much that you would have been better off just walking away.
I also use ball of lightning and it can be good sometimes, and then other times it's like the projectile protection doesn't even work. I streak and someone aims a ranged skill at me right away and it lands...Edited by Crixus8000 on January 3, 2019 4:57AM0 -
ezio45✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭OtherKarmanorway wrote: »Karmanorway wrote: »LoL! NBs have voted for cost increase to stay, but in the thread were we are discussing cloak atm they say that they are against the cost increase treatment. Amazing the hypocrisy on these forums xD
So if cost increase stay on streak, can we finaly get the same treatment with cloak?
I play often as a NB, and i vote for removing streak cost increase. Btw, NBs dont have shields like sorcs do, so that is a really really bad comparison
noone has a f#@*ing shield anymore.... there a joke
and ya lets just ignore the disappear on command button.....
Lol ok so remove cloak then, and get 2shot by everything... Happy now?
well as a sorc im already getting 2 shot by everything so i dont really are what happens to nb0 -
ezio45✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭OtherKarmanorway wrote: »LoL! NBs have voted for cost increase to stay, but in the thread were we are discussing cloak atm they say that they are against the cost increase treatment. Amazing the hypocrisy on these forums xD
So if cost increase stay on streak, can we finaly get the same treatment with cloak?
I play often as a NB, and i vote for removing streak cost increase. Btw, NBs dont have shields like sorcs do, so that is a really really bad comparison
noone has a f#@*ing shield anymore.... there a joke
and ya lets just ignore the disappear on command button.....
Sorc is hurting a bit, even with the slightly reverted nerf to frags. Shield nerf and healing ward nerf hurt sorcs badly and need some buffs
they didnt slightly revert the frag nerf. a little bit more damage doesnt help. With sorcs 0 pressure skills its useless without a good stun and they took the stun off frag and then ruined runecage.
and ya the shield nerf was some of the dumbest *** ive seen from zos.1 -
Yolokin_Swagonborn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Remove increase cost on bolt escape and morphsZOS knew what they were doing initially. Bolt escape was called bolt escape, because you were supposed to escape. But a bunch of people cried because they demanded that every encounter ended in a dead body and threw a fit if someone got away. Somehow cloak got a pass, but streak did not.
However, I do agree that streak needed better counters at launch. All they had to do initially was make it so you couldn't streak when rooted. At the start of the game, even if DK put talons on you, you could streak away and take the talons with you.
Remove the cost of streak but make it lock you in place if rooted. that would require you to roll dodge, and waste precious stam before you could streak.
I'd like it if ZOS reversed its direction and made classes powerful again. Stand your ground classes should be strong, and mobile classes should be mobile, and there still can be counters to both.
Other ways to fix streak:
1. Reduce the cooldown or make it disappear if you steak THROUGH someone. Rewarding users who use streak offensively, but still punishing people who use it to escape.Edited by Yolokin_Swagonborn on January 3, 2019 6:01AM3
