things is the game doesn't help u achieve not even 20k dps. I am full CP and with hundings/spriggans on my stamnb i struggle to pass 30k on dummy. Without Relequen it's not possible to reach 40k dps?

redspecter23 wrote: »

Your dps depends on your current goals.

Want to do overland quests? 5k is fine.
Want to do normal dungeons? 10k is a good first goal, but higher is better
Veteran dungeons? 20k or more.
DLC veteran dungeons? 25k+ would be nice, but you can get by with less.
Vet trials? 30k+ would be ideal, but it varies depending on the fight.

This is a pretty good breakdown for target values IMO. Getting past 20k is pretty easy with crafted/overland sets and a little rotation work, the kind of effort I would expect sometime to put in before queuing for vet dungeons. If you just want to stick to normal dungeons, you can hit 10k with practically zero extra effort. I personally wouldn't kick anyone for DPS because like others have said, when PUG'ing I usually expect to carry the group anyway.

For an example, I just took a Stamblade (2H/Bow) in a couple of the typical "starter" sets with mostly bad traits (no monster pieces) and worked down the 3M dummy. With a total of 3 damage skills, 2 self buffs, 1 Ultimate, and a mix of Light/Heavy attacks (no food/potions), I was able to maintain 14.3k DPS. I didn't reset my CP so I know that plays a factor, but I basically potatoed it and still did plenty decent.

ATomiX96 wrote: »

nowadays 35k+ in a decent setup, you dont need to be a god at the game to reach those numbers, just the average joe gamer.

I get the feeling that answers like this didn't read or understand the question. You would kick dps out of a group if they did less then 35k DPS? You'd be kicking over 95% of the playerbase if that were true. The "average joe gamer" is definitely not getting those kind of numbers.

I think anything is fine in non-dlc dungeons because all low DPS will do is make it take longer. If all DPS can hit 15- 20k, then normal trials should be doable as well as DLC dungeons. All DPS hitting 25k+ should make vet trials (non-HM) achievable once you know the mechanics.

More important is being set up for the content: a single target DPS with a 2H who can hit 25k on a dummy will have trouble in any content where there are loads of adds but be fine when the boss is reached. An AOE DD who only hits 15k might melt all the add groups but have trouble killing a boss.

Knowing the mechanics and how to stay alive are more important than high damage numbers.

Why would anyone talk about 'DPS' if said person is not interested in vet content? Why ask for DPS numbers if all you do is burst (Overland / Normal content)

Noone cares that you can kill a overland mob in 2sec or 10sec.

DPS is a measurement used by veteran runners as stuff can actually take time to kill.... So saying that you need 35k-40k dps one is always talking vet content. This is so typical ESO, terms used by the end-game community leaks down to people not interested in end-game.. Why would a person that only does normals or overland even care about DPS?

And for those saying "20k was normal so why do people demand 40k now?" Well, it's 3 years since 20k was considered good.... We've had tons of changes since then making our DPS naturally higher. So too demand same dps as back then now you would surely be able to do it, but if your aim is progress or score it just wont do. And once you're a guild group running trials it quickly becomes a progress group as running with 0 progress can quickly turn dull. And well, progress for a DD is higer DPS. So a DD running low dps has obviously not progressed to the level the current competion are at.

I’d say most should shoot for 30k. It’s easy enough to hit these days on any class, even with crafted gear and no light attack weaving. It’s about half what the top players are doing, so not an unreasonable goal.

I’m not saying the 10-20k DPS should be kicked, just that their builds or ability to use them isn’t yet complete. Still room to grow.

Sergykid wrote: »

things is the game doesn't help u achieve not even 20k dps. I am full CP and with hundings/spriggans on my stamnb i struggle to pass 30k on dummy. Without Relequen it's not possible to reach 40k dps?

Your DPS also rests a lot on your connection.

Mine is shoddy, plus I use a 2H, thus I reach about 30k as an average, which according to this thread is all I need for most if not all content if the group isn't idiotic, and more so as a Templar I can offer the 30k avg AND some sort of support if need be.

This thread has done wonders for my self confidence lol

There's no magic DPS number. It's all subjective on what your group members tolerate. If a player does good damage but is dead most of the time, that doesn't add much value. If you do damage on the lower end, but play the mechanics well and help out, then you add value. I believe many players have a set amount of time to play each day and they have an agenda of things they'd like to do and if a majority of that time is consumed by a struggling dungeon run, irritations flare and judgements are passed.

This is my subjective view on DPS numbers to make content clears in a reasonable (again subjective) time.

Normal Base Game Dungeons: 10k DPS
Normal DLC Dungeons: 20k DPS
Veteran Base Game Dungeons: 20k DPS
Veteran DLC Dungeons: 25k DPS
Normal Base Game Trials: 10k DPS
Normal DLC Trials: 20k DPS
Veteran Base Game Trials: 25k DPS
Veteran DLC Trials: 35k DPS

This of course assumes you are alive and can deliver the goods across the content. A dead DPS does zero damage and reduces the damage of the one resurrecting you.

Tasear wrote: »

How much dps do you think a person needs to complete content with normal standards.

Not taking to long to finish fights
Not be over burdened by mechics
Etc

I'd say 20k. It is very easy to get there, and should be a milestone to reach.

I’ve been using my healer over the last week and doing pledges with a mix of guilds and PUGs.

I’ve had the good of 100k+ group DPS where I’m pretty much obsolete and the bad of 30k group dps with me pulling 25% of that by only using blockade and power of light.

In both scenarios we got the pledges done including CoA2 with the low end DPS, to be honest neither were particularly enjoyable.

The low dps group especially didn’t just have an issue with damage but also a lacking in knowledge of mechanics, more prone to taking damage and standing in stupid. They also tended to spread out more making healing much more difficult.

Basically damage for me is only part of the issue, I’d happily take 2 20k DDs into any pledge who knew mechanics inside out and avoided damage and played well as a group.

MEBengalsFan2001 wrote: »

How can a player even measure his or her DPS on console, PS4 specially. I would like to be able to test my character DPS and see how he / she is performing and what I may need to adjust to improve my damage.

I'm still getting my rotation down due to needing to swap bars, not something I am use to from other MMO games.

Find a target dummy with 3 million HP (in other people's houses or guild halls) and do your rotation on it until it dies. It'll show your DPS at the end.

MEBengalsFan2001 wrote: »

How can a player even measure his or her DPS on console, PS4 specially. I would like to be able to test my character DPS and see how he / she is performing and what I may need to adjust to improve my damage.

I'm still getting my rotation down due to needing to swap bars, not something I am use to from other MMO games.

I don't play console but unless it's changed, run a timer on your phone. Do some math with kill time and dummy health and there ya go.

Honestly to avoid getting kicked the dps requirement varies by cp. I won't kick a cp160 for sucking but I'll kick an 810 in a heartbeat for pulling sub 20k I'm not in the business of carrying willfully ignorant players. Obviously none of this matters if they're rude at all kicked.

Tank doesn't provide fracture kicked and t-bagged. I'm not asking for much from a pug tank the bare minimum is major debuffs+taunt. Can't do that your not a tank.

Your RP build on a support will get you kicked.

We queue into wgt and you ask for spc you'll be informed olo exists. If you still want spc I'll kick you its for your own good.

If I see chokethorn procced your kicked.

If you wear the silver surfer skin I'll make fun of your self esteem issues.