Oh yeah... Don't forget the AOE freaking defile!

I like Thunderbugs better ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Bad poorly researched alarmist nerf threads lead to unnecessary nerfs for very situational sets - Thread proof.

Op, I have never seen a more lazy post or argument on this forum except for the one in my signature. So walk me through your thought process, if there was one. What are the steps you took to determine this is OP OP?

1. Watch a build video online.
2. See a highlight reel of cherrypicked clips from a skilled player fighting PUGS in very niche situations where the build works well.
3. Declare it OP and cry for nerfs on everything

Obviously this is a build video, the author is going to try and sell the build. Highlight reel will be cherrypicked wins against unskilled opponents.

Waffennacht wrote: »

Lmfao, someone actually got Doyle off and you're just now gonna complain?

Finally someone that has done their research. Anyone who thinks ANY of these sets are OP should try to get Doylemish to proc in PvP. Only potatoes will sit in your roots or not break stuns and just wait for you to charge up a slow heavy attack. It is very hard to kill a skilled player with that set. This build is one of those planets and stars must align things but it sure looks impressive when it works.

Can you kill unskilled players on a health tank? Yes. Since Always. This isn't even the easiest way to do it.

This thread is bad and you should feel bad.

I'm a little shocked by your reply. As you claim to be so very enlightened and really try to belittle what I am saying I will try to keep my cool as I hold your hand through the issues this build and other like it pose.

100% tank build. No damage. No resources. No sustain. Just tank. Very very hard to kill. Amazing self heals and a number of major and minor buffs to make things even more "fun".

Yes, it's not easy to land the burst. Will it happen with all the instant immobs and stuns? Absolutely. When the burst lands it is VERY powerful. Also not that hard as an intelligent player to layer and time your CC types to run almost anyone out of stam all the while keeping them snared to 40% while you reamin unkillable.

Meanwhile while you are trying to line up the burst you have literally the entire area snared to 40% of their movement speed with regular immob procs. Huge huge CC at nearly no cost.

The proc sets, the broken immobilize and snare mechanics, the way wardens can take advantage and synergize with the two previous. (I mean seriously consistent 8% dmg bonus and a 8% dmg reduction paired with major expedition? is this real life?)

Yolokin - I don't feel bad for posting this. I feel bad that your standards are so low that you are ok with this type of CRAP being in the game.

I'm going back to my break. Dark Age of Camelot free shard names Phoenix is coming out Jan 12th.. WAY more fun and balanced than this bulls*&^.

Dude. Ive got a ton of time in BGs and pvp in this game. The control of 60% spammed snares and the immobilization fail have been a VERY sore point for me as of late.

The CC from Parma snares and immobilization paired with stuns on a separate timer is completely out of control.

Now add to this a basically unkillable build with the potential, albeit difficult, for huge burst is so game breaking and annoying I cannot bear it for one second longer.

The ability to be unkillable while exerting THAT much control over the fight is bad enough. To add that kind of burst potential is just ridiculously broken.

If you are fine with this type of garbage in 2019 than I truly pity you.

I miss WAR online
I miss DAoC
I miss eso from 2015 when tri regen drinks were meta. When I was able to go 1v5 and win. You know, before proc sets propped up weak players.

Now it's monster set X + proc set Y + proc set Z + infused oblivion and phys for stam weapons = skill when launched in a field of 60% snare + immobs spam + stuns + + +

This game is now officially trash.

I agree with OP not in the sense of this specific build but the the issue of proc sets, Snare-root spam, and tanks in bgs as a whole. Yesterday I ran into nothing but groups of tank wardens and templars with ice staves spamming roots and snares with thing like skoria and overwhelming surge,sloads, storm knight etc. The best strategy we had was to legit run from them and kill the opposing team before they could. This wouldn’t have been a problem for an isolated match but for multiple(at least 6 different matches) we ran into teams specced like this. We even had games were both the other teams were specced this way. half these games the timer ran out before anyone could even reach 300 score. Is doylemish op no. Is a 55k hp warden in bgs that spams roots and snares the whole match with a *chance* to nuke you should you run out of stam(easier than you think in bgs) kinda unbalanced? hell yes

Nevermind this niche build. Zenimax needs to do something about Snares roots and No CP proc sets. no way in hell a sorcs Cuualrion’s proc should hit harder than their frag.

snares have been causing balance problems for ice for a while now. with an across the board nerf to snares and for the class expeditions to be reverted. we may really begin to balance the ice staff to become a fairer and better tool for both dps and tanks.

idk wrote: »

Zos has been informed about this type of build for ages but has done little about it.

@ZOS_RobGarrett said they are working to "codifying our vision and long-term strategy for combat". It must include a serious attempt to address builds like this if it is to become more than weak lip service like the other times they have said it is their vision.

You’re right. I’m glad we’ll finally be getting a good vision of what combat should be as we approach the fifth anniversary of launch. Also we haven’t heard from that guy in months so this is going well.

ArchMikem wrote: »

Always a Vampire. PvP is nothing but them. I challenge people to NOT be one for a change.

May Stendarr answer our prayers, brother. Seriously. Every time I see "vampire is necessary for the build" ... insta-uninterested in the build. Vamps need to be reworked so that entire builds don't rely on a couple of their abilities locked behind it. At least with werewolves, their abilities are only active during their transformation, which is something I can get behind.

Chaos2088 wrote: »

Perfect

Juhasow wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

Nothing new. Proc based tank wardens are present in the game since quite some time. There was a reason Arctic Blast had damage removed.

No. There was no reason to delete arctic blast's damage. It hurt PvE warden tanks from being able to apply minor maim. We have to use low chance skills to proc it where as Dragonknights have a skill that applies it instantly. If the problem is the immobilisation from wall of elements, i'd be glad to see it reworked away from a root. but blast didn't deserve that. not in a million years.

That is Your opinion that there was no reason however many people (and few devs possibly) that was PvPing during the time when warden high health builds could stack dmg from both gripping shards and arctic blast have different opinion. Cripling shards still have a chance to apply minor main not mentioning about heroic slash. It's not like Arctic Blast had some guaranteed chance to apply minor maim it was just 3% per tick with already included warden passive 4% if using ice staff so yeah You were definietly applying minor maim like crazy with that.

You still have Gripping Shards that have excatly the same chance to apply minor maim as old Arctic Blast but procs dmg twice as often. Who even said in the 1st place that every tank is ment to apply AoE minor maim ? Fact that DK have it doesnt mean every tank from now on needs to have it. You want warden to be DK copy with ice animations instead of fire ? AoE minor maim is mostly used for trash anyway (for single target every tank is using heroic slash) and when it comes to trash mobs warden is the only class that can apply major maim through non ultimate ability - frozen device. If You really want AoE minor maim try thurvokun like many other tanks.

It was actually at an unusually high 30% i believe this means it counted as direct damage.

I want warden to gain back what they lost with this skill at the very least. Warden had minor maim in the first place. Bring up your distaste in chilled's minor maim with zos.

Proc sets should scale off of resources and damage stats instead of being flat damage values... boom problem solved... no more tanks builds that do damage solely with proc sets