hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »I want to learn about becoming a better player...but I dont want to learn from good players....logic(missing)
validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »Just wondering if anyone has tips/tricks for how they build top-damage builds without resorting to just copying one of the very-carefully crafted builds online.
Have a custom build for PVP that can pull about 22k dps in PVE which is really not great now im with a guild looking to complete all the games vet content, dont want to just copy a build or splice builds from Alcast or others.
I mean, a good place to start is is there a good place where all the sets are ranked? Where I can just find all the calculations done to get a basic idea of whats "generally" good or bad in a rankings? Save me from having to manually calculate it ALL myself?
usmcjdking wrote: »validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »Just wondering if anyone has tips/tricks for how they build top-damage builds without resorting to just copying one of the very-carefully crafted builds online.
Have a custom build for PVP that can pull about 22k dps in PVE which is really not great now im with a guild looking to complete all the games vet content, dont want to just copy a build or splice builds from Alcast or others.
I mean, a good place to start is is there a good place where all the sets are ranked? Where I can just find all the calculations done to get a basic idea of whats "generally" good or bad in a rankings? Save me from having to manually calculate it ALL myself?
This is called relearning the wheel.
validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »I want to learn about becoming a better player...but I dont want to learn from good players....logic(missing)
Im quite happy to see a list of calculations and get set bonus breakdowns, I would just rather actually play the game for myself then have someone else tell me how to play.
Ill check out the guides in your sig later, but im not exactly hopeful. Any of the guides I see online simply say "use this set its good", or maybe go as far as saying something like "It adds crit, which is nice", but guess what, a whole load of sets add crit, I want to know how, without the huge amount of calculation and spread-sheeting I do atm, I can know what sets are better.
Hundings for example is good, I get that, but then you see that often used as like a "level 0" setup for builds because its easy to get and decent, but apparently other sets do more or less the same but better, and are just harder to farm so you work on getting them later? How do you rank these things?
Thanks for your useless comment though, very helpful.
validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »
Thanks for the link, was looking at this a while back but it seems heinously complex and time consuming if all I want to know is, for example, which of 2 Sets provide more DPS with a basic rotation. Dont know if im just missing a trick?
I feel like, maybe with the exception of odd proc chances, many sets in the game could be flat calculated and scored for 1 to 1 comparison against eachother? Like if you summed up the DPS added by each component of the armor and came up with a ballpark figure for amount of DPS each set is worth, thats what I try to do atm, but its extremely time consuming and I only calculate for sets I already thing will be decent.
hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »I want to learn about becoming a better player...but I dont want to learn from good players....logic(missing)
Im quite happy to see a list of calculations and get set bonus breakdowns, I would just rather actually play the game for myself then have someone else tell me how to play.
Ill check out the guides in your sig later, but im not exactly hopeful. Any of the guides I see online simply say "use this set its good", or maybe go as far as saying something like "It adds crit, which is nice", but guess what, a whole load of sets add crit, I want to know how, without the huge amount of calculation and spread-sheeting I do atm, I can know what sets are better.
Hundings for example is good, I get that, but then you see that often used as like a "level 0" setup for builds because its easy to get and decent, but apparently other sets do more or less the same but better, and are just harder to farm so you work on getting them later? How do you rank these things?
Thanks for your useless comment though, very helpful.validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »
Thanks for the link, was looking at this a while back but it seems heinously complex and time consuming if all I want to know is, for example, which of 2 Sets provide more DPS with a basic rotation. Dont know if im just missing a trick?
I feel like, maybe with the exception of odd proc chances, many sets in the game could be flat calculated and scored for 1 to 1 comparison against eachother? Like if you summed up the DPS added by each component of the armor and came up with a ballpark figure for amount of DPS each set is worth, thats what I try to do atm, but its extremely time consuming and I only calculate for sets I already thing will be decent.
I'm not trying to be a ***, but you ask a question about learning the intricacies of build making, but dont want to watch videos from people that give you several gear selections for different situations and explain why certain gear choices matter. The information you asked in your question is contained in guides. So then someone gives you the completely DIY path and you say that is too complex. I dont get you at all. Either do it yourself from the get go, or do what everyone else does about anything. Read up the info on it and then choose your own direction. If I wanted to create my own way of farming i would first read all about how professionals farm and then using that knowledge go my own direction...not sure what you are trying to do...
So you don't want to learn from other people's builds but then you want others to make a numerical ranking of all viable sets for you..? That's so weird to me lol.
I know you said you don't want to but you should really go read/watch other people's builds. Alcast, Dottz, asiangod, etc have great build videos and written guides that explain the thought process that go behind their builds. These are all valuable learning resources for beginners and you don't have to just blindly follow them either.
Once you understand why they make builds the way the way they do, then you can start making changes to fit your playstyle and eventually come up with your own build.
hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »
I'm not trying to be a ***, but you ask a question about learning the intricacies of build making, but dont want to watch videos from people that give you several gear selections for different situations and explain why certain gear choices matter. The information you asked in your question is contained in guides. So then someone gives you the completely DIY path and you say that is too complex. I dont get you at all. Either do it yourself from the get go, or do what everyone else does about anything. Read up the info on it and then choose your own direction. If I wanted to create my own way of farming i would first read all about how professionals farm and then using that knowledge go my own direction...not sure what you are trying to do...
This build is way worse than the DPS suggests, you are benefiting from major fracture while other builds don't while DPS testing and would be applied in any serious setting by someone else. This alone accounts for at least. AT LEAST. 10% of your dps which brings you back down to more like 34k which is below avg for the gear level you are at. A DK or templar would do better. Also you provide 0 group utility. LOL because of that this isn't even a good warden build.
Waffennacht wrote: »It's simple for me;
Is there a theme? If so primary focus on theme (mostly fun, like pets or a poison build)
What abilities am I interested in? Choose sets and abilities that synergizes with them
What sets affect the majority of my abilities? Automaton only buffs half my abilities, I should pick a different set
Do I wanna solo? If so then a set and a few abilities should be delegated to survivability rather than damage
Test, did it work at all? What abilities weren't used? What did more than expected? Did it survive? Is it worth pursuing?
Dps test, am I actually gonna be worth anything if in a group? (Want 30k+)
It's what I spend a great deal of time doing for fun
5- Any other set that can help me? You can run spinner for extra penetration, or knight slayer/Sload's for more oblivion dmg. Or Netch for extra shock dmg.
validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »I want to learn about becoming a better player...but I dont want to learn from good players....logic(missing)
Im quite happy to see a list of calculations and get set bonus breakdowns, I would just rather actually play the game for myself then have someone else tell me how to play.
Ill check out the guides in your sig later, but im not exactly hopeful. Any of the guides I see online simply say "use this set its good", or maybe go as far as saying something like "It adds crit, which is nice", but guess what, a whole load of sets add crit, I want to know how, without the huge amount of calculation and spread-sheeting I do atm, I can know what sets are better.
Hundings for example is good, I get that, but then you see that often used as like a "level 0" setup for builds because its easy to get and decent, but apparently other sets do more or less the same but better, and are just harder to farm so you work on getting them later? How do you rank these things?
Thanks for your useless comment though, very helpful.validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »
Thanks for the link, was looking at this a while back but it seems heinously complex and time consuming if all I want to know is, for example, which of 2 Sets provide more DPS with a basic rotation. Dont know if im just missing a trick?
I feel like, maybe with the exception of odd proc chances, many sets in the game could be flat calculated and scored for 1 to 1 comparison against eachother? Like if you summed up the DPS added by each component of the armor and came up with a ballpark figure for amount of DPS each set is worth, thats what I try to do atm, but its extremely time consuming and I only calculate for sets I already thing will be decent.
I'm not trying to be a ***, but you ask a question about learning the intricacies of build making, but dont want to watch videos from people that give you several gear selections for different situations and explain why certain gear choices matter. The information you asked in your question is contained in guides. So then someone gives you the completely DIY path and you say that is too complex. I dont get you at all. Either do it yourself from the get go, or do what everyone else does about anything. Read up the info on it and then choose your own direction. If I wanted to create my own way of farming i would first read all about how professionals farm and then using that knowledge go my own direction...not sure what you are trying to do...
But I have watched the videos, read the guides, and what im saying is, unless I just flatout copy what they've done, they otherwise provide no meaningful insight about how they ended up with the build they created.
WHY is hundings and briar a worse/easier-to-get counterpart to Beserking and Relequen? Do these builders calculated every possible combination of every possible set? Do they have a method for more easily determining what sets to try? What are the exact calculations for why Maelstrom weps are apparently so much better for DPS? Have these builders even calculated it or are they just picking something they know is top-tier"ish" because its what everyone else picks? If you wanted to choose a new wep how would you/they go about working out which was best?
So many (imo) totally valid questions, yet all im getting as feedback is "read the guides"
validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »
I'm not trying to be a ***, but you ask a question about learning the intricacies of build making, but dont want to watch videos from people that give you several gear selections for different situations and explain why certain gear choices matter. The information you asked in your question is contained in guides. So then someone gives you the completely DIY path and you say that is too complex. I dont get you at all. Either do it yourself from the get go, or do what everyone else does about anything. Read up the info on it and then choose your own direction. If I wanted to create my own way of farming i would first read all about how professionals farm and then using that knowledge go my own direction...not sure what you are trying to do...
Take for example the first comment from your stamden build thread;This build is way worse than the DPS suggests, you are benefiting from major fracture while other builds don't while DPS testing and would be applied in any serious setting by someone else. This alone accounts for at least. AT LEAST. 10% of your dps which brings you back down to more like 34k which is below avg for the gear level you are at. A DK or templar would do better. Also you provide 0 group utility. LOL because of that this isn't even a good warden build.
I mean did you consider this in your calculations? Why is your DPS so low compared to the super high tuned builds? Is your build just less glass-cannon? How did you come up with the set and rotation, I mean rotation changes heavily depending on how high your maxstat/dmg is and more stuff becomes viable, how did you balance this? Why did you choose the lover stone, not the Serpend for example which would offset the need for recovery from food and potentially give a dps boost from higher maxstat? What about Theif stone, did you consider it? Did you do the calculations considering average enemy defence and the possibility of stacking crit damage to increase the effectiveness of higher crit?
hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »
I'm not trying to be a ***, but you ask a question about learning the intricacies of build making, but dont want to watch videos from people that give you several gear selections for different situations and explain why certain gear choices matter. The information you asked in your question is contained in guides. So then someone gives you the completely DIY path and you say that is too complex. I dont get you at all. Either do it yourself from the get go, or do what everyone else does about anything. Read up the info on it and then choose your own direction. If I wanted to create my own way of farming i would first read all about how professionals farm and then using that knowledge go my own direction...not sure what you are trying to do...
Take for example the first comment from your stamden build thread;This build is way worse than the DPS suggests, you are benefiting from major fracture while other builds don't while DPS testing and would be applied in any serious setting by someone else. This alone accounts for at least. AT LEAST. 10% of your dps which brings you back down to more like 34k which is below avg for the gear level you are at. A DK or templar would do better. Also you provide 0 group utility. LOL because of that this isn't even a good warden build.
I mean did you consider this in your calculations? Why is your DPS so low compared to the super high tuned builds? Is your build just less glass-cannon? How did you come up with the set and rotation, I mean rotation changes heavily depending on how high your maxstat/dmg is and more stuff becomes viable, how did you balance this? Why did you choose the lover stone, not the Serpend for example which would offset the need for recovery from food and potentially give a dps boost from higher maxstat? What about Theif stone, did you consider it? Did you do the calculations considering average enemy defence and the possibility of stacking crit damage to increase the effectiveness of higher crit?
I havent done any builds in over 6 months so I wouldnt use my guides as a resource. That being said, to answer your questions.
1. At the time the build was posted the dps I was showing in the build was top.
2. Currently there are no variations between builds because everyone tests everything on the PTS with full buffs and everyone arrives at the same results. There is no build variety, which is primarily why I stopped posting builds. If you question the validity of this testing it is peer reviewed by over 100 different people all at the top end.
3. Rotation is either fully dynamic, semi dynamic or static. The current stamden rotation is mostly static for example.
4. Lover stone yields the most dps for all dps in all situations, the reason why all stamina classes run it is because they do not reach penetration cap without it. Magicka classes do not Lover, because a good group allows them to reach penetration cap without Lover.
5. The enemy defense in all group PvE content is 18200. So yes all of these variable were looked at.
Any other queations?
validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »
I'm not trying to be a ***, but you ask a question about learning the intricacies of build making, but dont want to watch videos from people that give you several gear selections for different situations and explain why certain gear choices matter. The information you asked in your question is contained in guides. So then someone gives you the completely DIY path and you say that is too complex. I dont get you at all. Either do it yourself from the get go, or do what everyone else does about anything. Read up the info on it and then choose your own direction. If I wanted to create my own way of farming i would first read all about how professionals farm and then using that knowledge go my own direction...not sure what you are trying to do...
Take for example the first comment from your stamden build thread;This build is way worse than the DPS suggests, you are benefiting from major fracture while other builds don't while DPS testing and would be applied in any serious setting by someone else. This alone accounts for at least. AT LEAST. 10% of your dps which brings you back down to more like 34k which is below avg for the gear level you are at. A DK or templar would do better. Also you provide 0 group utility. LOL because of that this isn't even a good warden build.
I mean did you consider this in your calculations? Why is your DPS so low compared to the super high tuned builds? Is your build just less glass-cannon? How did you come up with the set and rotation, I mean rotation changes heavily depending on how high your maxstat/dmg is and more stuff becomes viable, how did you balance this? Why did you choose the lover stone, not the Serpend for example which would offset the need for recovery from food and potentially give a dps boost from higher maxstat? What about Theif stone, did you consider it? Did you do the calculations considering average enemy defence and the possibility of stacking crit damage to increase the effectiveness of higher crit?
I havent done any builds in over 6 months so I wouldnt use my guides as a resource. That being said, to answer your questions.
1. At the time the build was posted the dps I was showing in the build was top.
2. Currently there are no variations between builds because everyone tests everything on the PTS with full buffs and everyone arrives at the same results. There is no build variety, which is primarily why I stopped posting builds. If you question the validity of this testing it is peer reviewed by over 100 different people all at the top end.
3. Rotation is either fully dynamic, semi dynamic or static. The current stamden rotation is mostly static for example.
4. Lover stone yields the most dps for all dps in all situations, the reason why all stamina classes run it is because they do not reach penetration cap without it. Magicka classes do not Lover, because a good group allows them to reach penetration cap without Lover.
5. The enemy defense in all group PvE content is 18200. So yes all of these variable were looked at.
Any other queations?
I think I read about the penetration cap being around 7.5k somewhere? So its pretty much guaranteed in all cases that if you're not at cap then getting more will yield more dps compared to any other option? Ill have to look for a calculations breakdown to get an idea.
Other than that, you mostly answered my question yeah, main point being I need to get into the PTR to do builds
hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »
I'm not trying to be a ***, but you ask a question about learning the intricacies of build making, but dont want to watch videos from people that give you several gear selections for different situations and explain why certain gear choices matter. The information you asked in your question is contained in guides. So then someone gives you the completely DIY path and you say that is too complex. I dont get you at all. Either do it yourself from the get go, or do what everyone else does about anything. Read up the info on it and then choose your own direction. If I wanted to create my own way of farming i would first read all about how professionals farm and then using that knowledge go my own direction...not sure what you are trying to do...
Take for example the first comment from your stamden build thread;This build is way worse than the DPS suggests, you are benefiting from major fracture while other builds don't while DPS testing and would be applied in any serious setting by someone else. This alone accounts for at least. AT LEAST. 10% of your dps which brings you back down to more like 34k which is below avg for the gear level you are at. A DK or templar would do better. Also you provide 0 group utility. LOL because of that this isn't even a good warden build.
I mean did you consider this in your calculations? Why is your DPS so low compared to the super high tuned builds? Is your build just less glass-cannon? How did you come up with the set and rotation, I mean rotation changes heavily depending on how high your maxstat/dmg is and more stuff becomes viable, how did you balance this? Why did you choose the lover stone, not the Serpend for example which would offset the need for recovery from food and potentially give a dps boost from higher maxstat? What about Theif stone, did you consider it? Did you do the calculations considering average enemy defence and the possibility of stacking crit damage to increase the effectiveness of higher crit?
I havent done any builds in over 6 months so I wouldnt use my guides as a resource. That being said, to answer your questions.
1. At the time the build was posted the dps I was showing in the build was top.
2. Currently there are no variations between builds because everyone tests everything on the PTS with full buffs and everyone arrives at the same results. There is no build variety, which is primarily why I stopped posting builds. If you question the validity of this testing it is peer reviewed by over 100 different people all at the top end.
3. Rotation is either fully dynamic, semi dynamic or static. The current stamden rotation is mostly static for example.
4. Lover stone yields the most dps for all dps in all situations, the reason why all stamina classes run it is because they do not reach penetration cap without it. Magicka classes do not Lover, because a good group allows them to reach penetration cap without Lover.
5. The enemy defense in all group PvE content is 18200. So yes all of these variable were looked at.
Any other queations?
I think I read about the penetration cap being around 7.5k somewhere? So its pretty much guaranteed in all cases that if you're not at cap then getting more will yield more dps compared to any other option? Ill have to look for a calculations breakdown to get an idea.
Other than that, you mostly answered my question yeah, main point being I need to get into the PTR to do builds
Yes penetration is the best way to buff damage.
Penetration in all trials/arena/dungeons is 18200
For overworld I think its 12k, but dont quote me on that...that doesnt matter in any case since you can basically breath on anything and it dies.
I think this may be what you're looking for:
This is a bit outdated, but most of the formulas should work.
https://tamrielfoundry.com/articles/introduction-to-pve-damage-calculation-homestead/
hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »
I'm not trying to be a ***, but you ask a question about learning the intricacies of build making, but dont want to watch videos from people that give you several gear selections for different situations and explain why certain gear choices matter. The information you asked in your question is contained in guides. So then someone gives you the completely DIY path and you say that is too complex. I dont get you at all. Either do it yourself from the get go, or do what everyone else does about anything. Read up the info on it and then choose your own direction. If I wanted to create my own way of farming i would first read all about how professionals farm and then using that knowledge go my own direction...not sure what you are trying to do...
Take for example the first comment from your stamden build thread;This build is way worse than the DPS suggests, you are benefiting from major fracture while other builds don't while DPS testing and would be applied in any serious setting by someone else. This alone accounts for at least. AT LEAST. 10% of your dps which brings you back down to more like 34k which is below avg for the gear level you are at. A DK or templar would do better. Also you provide 0 group utility. LOL because of that this isn't even a good warden build.
I mean did you consider this in your calculations? Why is your DPS so low compared to the super high tuned builds? Is your build just less glass-cannon? How did you come up with the set and rotation, I mean rotation changes heavily depending on how high your maxstat/dmg is and more stuff becomes viable, how did you balance this? Why did you choose the lover stone, not the Serpend for example which would offset the need for recovery from food and potentially give a dps boost from higher maxstat? What about Theif stone, did you consider it? Did you do the calculations considering average enemy defence and the possibility of stacking crit damage to increase the effectiveness of higher crit?
I havent done any builds in over 6 months so I wouldnt use my guides as a resource. That being said, to answer your questions.
1. At the time the build was posted the dps I was showing in the build was top.
2. Currently there are no variations between builds because everyone tests everything on the PTS with full buffs and everyone arrives at the same results. There is no build variety, which is primarily why I stopped posting builds. If you question the validity of this testing it is peer reviewed by over 100 different people all at the top end.
3. Rotation is either fully dynamic, semi dynamic or static. The current stamden rotation is mostly static for example.
4. Lover stone yields the most dps for all dps in all situations, the reason why all stamina classes run it is because they do not reach penetration cap without it. Magicka classes do not Lover, because a good group allows them to reach penetration cap without Lover.
5. The enemy defense in all group PvE content is 18200. So yes all of these variable were looked at.
Any other queations?
I think I read about the penetration cap being around 7.5k somewhere? So its pretty much guaranteed in all cases that if you're not at cap then getting more will yield more dps compared to any other option? Ill have to look for a calculations breakdown to get an idea.
Other than that, you mostly answered my question yeah, main point being I need to get into the PTR to do builds
Yes penetration is the best way to buff damage.
Penetration in all trials/arena/dungeons is 18200
For overworld I think its 12k, but dont quote me on that...that doesnt matter in any case since you can basically breath on anything and it dies.
I think this may be what you're looking for:
This is a bit outdated, but most of the formulas should work.
https://tamrielfoundry.com/articles/introduction-to-pve-damage-calculation-homestead/
Boy does the game lack without Asayre
hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »
I'm not trying to be a ***, but you ask a question about learning the intricacies of build making, but dont want to watch videos from people that give you several gear selections for different situations and explain why certain gear choices matter. The information you asked in your question is contained in guides. So then someone gives you the completely DIY path and you say that is too complex. I dont get you at all. Either do it yourself from the get go, or do what everyone else does about anything. Read up the info on it and then choose your own direction. If I wanted to create my own way of farming i would first read all about how professionals farm and then using that knowledge go my own direction...not sure what you are trying to do...
Take for example the first comment from your stamden build thread;This build is way worse than the DPS suggests, you are benefiting from major fracture while other builds don't while DPS testing and would be applied in any serious setting by someone else. This alone accounts for at least. AT LEAST. 10% of your dps which brings you back down to more like 34k which is below avg for the gear level you are at. A DK or templar would do better. Also you provide 0 group utility. LOL because of that this isn't even a good warden build.
I mean did you consider this in your calculations? Why is your DPS so low compared to the super high tuned builds? Is your build just less glass-cannon? How did you come up with the set and rotation, I mean rotation changes heavily depending on how high your maxstat/dmg is and more stuff becomes viable, how did you balance this? Why did you choose the lover stone, not the Serpend for example which would offset the need for recovery from food and potentially give a dps boost from higher maxstat? What about Theif stone, did you consider it? Did you do the calculations considering average enemy defence and the possibility of stacking crit damage to increase the effectiveness of higher crit?
I havent done any builds in over 6 months so I wouldnt use my guides as a resource. That being said, to answer your questions.
1. At the time the build was posted the dps I was showing in the build was top.
2. Currently there are no variations between builds because everyone tests everything on the PTS with full buffs and everyone arrives at the same results. There is no build variety, which is primarily why I stopped posting builds. If you question the validity of this testing it is peer reviewed by over 100 different people all at the top end.
3. Rotation is either fully dynamic, semi dynamic or static. The current stamden rotation is mostly static for example.
4. Lover stone yields the most dps for all dps in all situations, the reason why all stamina classes run it is because they do not reach penetration cap without it. Magicka classes do not Lover, because a good group allows them to reach penetration cap without Lover.
5. The enemy defense in all group PvE content is 18200. So yes all of these variable were looked at.
Any other queations?
I think I read about the penetration cap being around 7.5k somewhere? So its pretty much guaranteed in all cases that if you're not at cap then getting more will yield more dps compared to any other option? Ill have to look for a calculations breakdown to get an idea.
Other than that, you mostly answered my question yeah, main point being I need to get into the PTR to do builds
Yes penetration is the best way to buff damage.
Penetration in all trials/arena/dungeons is 18200
For overworld I think its 12k, but dont quote me on that...that doesnt matter in any case since you can basically breath on anything and it dies.
I think this may be what you're looking for:
This is a bit outdated, but most of the formulas should work.
https://tamrielfoundry.com/articles/introduction-to-pve-damage-calculation-homestead/
Boy does the game lack without Asayre
Detailed testing like he did to find bugs is definitely needed, as far as gear and skill choice, Liko filled that spot. Also the fact that he is able to provide raid parses confirming his testing gives him credibility that no other tester has.
Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »
I'm not trying to be a ***, but you ask a question about learning the intricacies of build making, but dont want to watch videos from people that give you several gear selections for different situations and explain why certain gear choices matter. The information you asked in your question is contained in guides. So then someone gives you the completely DIY path and you say that is too complex. I dont get you at all. Either do it yourself from the get go, or do what everyone else does about anything. Read up the info on it and then choose your own direction. If I wanted to create my own way of farming i would first read all about how professionals farm and then using that knowledge go my own direction...not sure what you are trying to do...
Take for example the first comment from your stamden build thread;This build is way worse than the DPS suggests, you are benefiting from major fracture while other builds don't while DPS testing and would be applied in any serious setting by someone else. This alone accounts for at least. AT LEAST. 10% of your dps which brings you back down to more like 34k which is below avg for the gear level you are at. A DK or templar would do better. Also you provide 0 group utility. LOL because of that this isn't even a good warden build.
I mean did you consider this in your calculations? Why is your DPS so low compared to the super high tuned builds? Is your build just less glass-cannon? How did you come up with the set and rotation, I mean rotation changes heavily depending on how high your maxstat/dmg is and more stuff becomes viable, how did you balance this? Why did you choose the lover stone, not the Serpend for example which would offset the need for recovery from food and potentially give a dps boost from higher maxstat? What about Theif stone, did you consider it? Did you do the calculations considering average enemy defence and the possibility of stacking crit damage to increase the effectiveness of higher crit?
I havent done any builds in over 6 months so I wouldnt use my guides as a resource. That being said, to answer your questions.
1. At the time the build was posted the dps I was showing in the build was top.
2. Currently there are no variations between builds because everyone tests everything on the PTS with full buffs and everyone arrives at the same results. There is no build variety, which is primarily why I stopped posting builds. If you question the validity of this testing it is peer reviewed by over 100 different people all at the top end.
3. Rotation is either fully dynamic, semi dynamic or static. The current stamden rotation is mostly static for example.
4. Lover stone yields the most dps for all dps in all situations, the reason why all stamina classes run it is because they do not reach penetration cap without it. Magicka classes do not Lover, because a good group allows them to reach penetration cap without Lover.
5. The enemy defense in all group PvE content is 18200. So yes all of these variable were looked at.
Any other queations?
I think I read about the penetration cap being around 7.5k somewhere? So its pretty much guaranteed in all cases that if you're not at cap then getting more will yield more dps compared to any other option? Ill have to look for a calculations breakdown to get an idea.
Other than that, you mostly answered my question yeah, main point being I need to get into the PTR to do builds
Yes penetration is the best way to buff damage.
Penetration in all trials/arena/dungeons is 18200
For overworld I think its 12k, but dont quote me on that...that doesnt matter in any case since you can basically breath on anything and it dies.
I think this may be what you're looking for:
This is a bit outdated, but most of the formulas should work.
https://tamrielfoundry.com/articles/introduction-to-pve-damage-calculation-homestead/
Boy does the game lack without Asayre
Detailed testing like he did to find bugs is definitely needed, as far as gear and skill choice, Liko filled that spot. Also the fact that he is able to provide raid parses confirming his testing gives him credibility that no other tester has.
Link to the testing that Liko has done?
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I'm not trying to be a ***, but you ask a question about learning the intricacies of build making, but dont want to watch videos from people that give you several gear selections for different situations and explain why certain gear choices matter. The information you asked in your question is contained in guides. So then someone gives you the completely DIY path and you say that is too complex. I dont get you at all. Either do it yourself from the get go, or do what everyone else does about anything. Read up the info on it and then choose your own direction. If I wanted to create my own way of farming i would first read all about how professionals farm and then using that knowledge go my own direction...not sure what you are trying to do...
Take for example the first comment from your stamden build thread;This build is way worse than the DPS suggests, you are benefiting from major fracture while other builds don't while DPS testing and would be applied in any serious setting by someone else. This alone accounts for at least. AT LEAST. 10% of your dps which brings you back down to more like 34k which is below avg for the gear level you are at. A DK or templar would do better. Also you provide 0 group utility. LOL because of that this isn't even a good warden build.
I mean did you consider this in your calculations? Why is your DPS so low compared to the super high tuned builds? Is your build just less glass-cannon? How did you come up with the set and rotation, I mean rotation changes heavily depending on how high your maxstat/dmg is and more stuff becomes viable, how did you balance this? Why did you choose the lover stone, not the Serpend for example which would offset the need for recovery from food and potentially give a dps boost from higher maxstat? What about Theif stone, did you consider it? Did you do the calculations considering average enemy defence and the possibility of stacking crit damage to increase the effectiveness of higher crit?
I havent done any builds in over 6 months so I wouldnt use my guides as a resource. That being said, to answer your questions.
1. At the time the build was posted the dps I was showing in the build was top.
2. Currently there are no variations between builds because everyone tests everything on the PTS with full buffs and everyone arrives at the same results. There is no build variety, which is primarily why I stopped posting builds. If you question the validity of this testing it is peer reviewed by over 100 different people all at the top end.
3. Rotation is either fully dynamic, semi dynamic or static. The current stamden rotation is mostly static for example.
4. Lover stone yields the most dps for all dps in all situations, the reason why all stamina classes run it is because they do not reach penetration cap without it. Magicka classes do not Lover, because a good group allows them to reach penetration cap without Lover.
5. The enemy defense in all group PvE content is 18200. So yes all of these variable were looked at.
Any other queations?
I think I read about the penetration cap being around 7.5k somewhere? So its pretty much guaranteed in all cases that if you're not at cap then getting more will yield more dps compared to any other option? Ill have to look for a calculations breakdown to get an idea.
Other than that, you mostly answered my question yeah, main point being I need to get into the PTR to do builds
Yes penetration is the best way to buff damage.
Penetration in all trials/arena/dungeons is 18200
For overworld I think its 12k, but dont quote me on that...that doesnt matter in any case since you can basically breath on anything and it dies.
I think this may be what you're looking for:
This is a bit outdated, but most of the formulas should work.
https://tamrielfoundry.com/articles/introduction-to-pve-damage-calculation-homestead/
Boy does the game lack without Asayre
Detailed testing like he did to find bugs is definitely needed, as far as gear and skill choice, Liko filled that spot. Also the fact that he is able to provide raid parses confirming his testing gives him credibility that no other tester has.
Link to the testing that Liko has done?
If you go to his channel there are parses for most classes and raid parses are also available.