Stop the Fungal Grotto Exploit!

Minoris_Impostor · December 2018

All of us know about "The Fungal Grotto Exploit" when players just teleport to another dungeon and recieve daily reward for the "random" dungeon. It's annoying but not the whole problem. Real problem is that: we can't complete quests and pledges, because half-party always jump out and run FG. FG is fast, so if we even go further we can't recieve a reward because it provides to the part of the party who complete ANY dungeon first! I don't want to shout in capital cities chat "Anyone to pledges, maybe anyone who will NOT go to FG?". I just want to play easy and comfortable with normal in-game options like group finder. If the reward box is given for the finishing random dungeon, it MUST be random, not a Fungal Grotto. This problem become more irritating from day to day, IMHO ZOS must fix it as fast as they can.

Salvas_Aren · December 2018

Pointless.

Fixing this would lead to another exploit. I won't tell you which.

Lord_Eomer · December 2018

Please ZOS stop this,

Most of groups doing this after Undaunted Event and I am simply leaving that group and getting penalty for being honest player!

WhipSmartMcoy · December 2018

Are you saying the exploit is that when you Que into a random daily, and it sends you to idk Spindleclutch, you can then jump to FG, fast run it (or solo) and still get the daily reward?

dazee · December 2018

Anyone who would do this without first coming with a full party of people who agreed on it needs to be paraded through the streets of tamriel in chains.

dogman · December 2018

You realise there is a way back to the start of the dungeon, right? So you can go back and do everything, right? Oh, no, ofcourse you don't. Also the event has been done for a few weeks, what are you people on about?

Taleof2Cities · December 2018

dogman wrote: »

You realise there is a way back to the start of the dungeon, right? So you can go back and do everything, right? Oh, no, ofcourse you don't. Also the event has been done for a few weeks, what are you people on about?

So, you know it’s an exploit related to doing daily randoms, right?

It’s not exclusively related to the Undaunted Event.

Regardless, ZOS has confirmed they will fix in an upcoming patch.

Jhalin · December 2018

The best solution is stop putting random queuers in with people who are going for specifics

This bug has existed as long as the group finder so clearly they’re not interested in changing how it works. It helps groups that are incapable of a specific dungeon clear, or who don’t have the time to put toward a longer dungeon.

But as long as randoms get pulled into specific queued dungeons, then there’s two very different player types getting stuck in the same space, one type that is looking for a quick run for exp, and another that is after gear/pledge/dungeon quest.

These groups do not mesh well

VaranisArano · December 2018

Jhalin wrote: »

The best solution is stop putting random queuers in with people who are going for specifics

This bug has existed as long as the group finder so clearly they’re not interested in changing how it works. It helps groups that are incapable of a specific dungeon clear, or who don’t have the time to put toward a longer dungeon.

But as long as randoms get pulled into specific queued dungeons, then there’s two very different player types getting stuck in the same space, one type that is looking for a quick run for exp, and another that is after gear/pledge/dungeon quest.

These groups do not mesh well

Part of using the Random Queue is that the Groupfinder uses randoms to backfill groups that asked for specific dungeons or had people bail on them. That's not a bug, its a feature, working as intended.

If you want the Random Dungeon exp/rewards while looking for a quick dungeon run, grab guildies or a low level groupmate. You probably shouldn't use the Random Dungeon, which can pick any of the dungeons you own, and complain if you get City of Ash 2.

Alinhbo_Tyaka · December 2018

Jhalin wrote: »

The best solution is stop putting random queuers in with people who are going for specifics

This bug has existed as long as the group finder so clearly they’re not interested in changing how it works. It helps groups that are incapable of a specific dungeon clear, or who don’t have the time to put toward a longer dungeon.

But as long as randoms get pulled into specific queued dungeons, then there’s two very different player types getting stuck in the same space, one type that is looking for a quick run for exp, and another that is after gear/pledge/dungeon quest.

These groups do not mesh well

I don't like it even when I'm running randoms. One of the nice things about queuing for a random is just that, it's random and not running the same dungeon over and over. What makes it worse is if I decide the leave the group I'm the one who is penalized for wanting to run what the system has assigned not those that used the exploit.

Linaleah · December 2018

sigh this is why we cannot have nice things. people who are doing this to random groups - i hope rng hates you once the patch hits and only gives you dlc/longest dungeons as a random.

we could have had it all, but you couldn't just stick to fully premade groups that all agreed on this, could you. you had to pull this nonsense on everyone whether they want to or not....

YOU are why this will no longer be a shortcut for the next event. so thanks, you a-holes

Wildberryjack · December 2018

How is this an "exploit"? Sorry don't see it. Nothing here to be "fixed".

Valrien · December 2018

Wildberryjack wrote: »

How is this an "exploit"? Sorry don't see it. Nothing here to be "fixed".

Using unintended glitches within the system to benefit.

It is the textbook definition of an exploit, no matter how minor

Taleof2Cities · December 2018

Wildberryjack wrote: »

How is this an "exploit"? Sorry don't see it. Nothing here to be "fixed".

ZOS considers it an exploit ... that’s all you need to know.

Jhalin · December 2018

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Wildberryjack wrote: »

How is this an "exploit"? Sorry don't see it. Nothing here to be "fixed".

ZOS considers it an exploit ... that’s all you need to know.

It’s not intended, but they also said they didn’t plan to punish it. Are they actually going to fix it? Because so far I haven’t seen hide nor hair of a fix going out

Taleof2Cities · December 2018

Jhalin wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Wildberryjack wrote: »

How is this an "exploit"? Sorry don't see it. Nothing here to be "fixed".

ZOS considers it an exploit ... that’s all you need to know.

It’s not intended, but they also said they didn’t plan to punish it. Are they actually going to fix it? Because so far I haven’t seen hide nor hair of a fix going out

Not a high enough issue to hotfix ... but they’ve said it will be fixed in a future patch.

Jhalin · December 2018

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Jhalin wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Wildberryjack wrote: »

How is this an "exploit"? Sorry don't see it. Nothing here to be "fixed".

ZOS considers it an exploit ... that’s all you need to know.

It’s not intended, but they also said they didn’t plan to punish it. Are they actually going to fix it? Because so far I haven’t seen hide nor hair of a fix going out

Not a high enough issue to hotfix ... but they’ve said it will be fixed in a future patch.

So...probably in 3-6 months if we’re optimistic...after which group finder will be non functional for probably another month

You’ll forgive me if I don’t have oodles of confidence in those sort of ETAs

angelncelestine · December 2018

Hmm this is still a thing after the dungeon event? I have ran several randoms lately while leveling a toon, and no one has asked to port to FG1. IMO I think they should fix this ,and take the DLC dungeons out of the random dungeon queue. They should put them in a separate queue, and make the rewards better. During the dungeon event I had a real eye opener healing in normal MOS. This is a dungeon I have ran on vet several times. Here I was on normal with max CP dps that could hardly kill trash. I don't blame people for not wanting to run them with pugs. Even on normal they can be very miserable.

majulook · December 2018

Do this instead....

1. Get Undaunted Daily Pledges
2. Get a random dungeon group.
3. Instead of porting to FG1 port to dungeon is one of that days Undaunted Pledges.
4. get random reward and the Undaunted Daily reward.

Taleof2Cities · December 2018

Jhalin wrote: »

So...probably in 3-6 months if we’re optimistic...after which group finder will be non functional for probably another month

You’ll forgive me if I don’t have oodles of confidence in those sort of ETAs

Don’t use the dungeon finder if your intent is for a specific clear of FG1 ... pretty simple really. Run a pre-made group.

That way you’re not screwing over players that want to run the selected dungeon for their rewards.

starkerealm · December 2018

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Regardless, ZOS has confirmed they will fix in an upcoming patch.

I missed that; you have a link?

heaven13 · December 2018

I love that during the Undaunted Festival all the threads about this were "it'll go back to normal soon, stop complaining, people have a lot of alts to run through dungeons in a day" and now it's still prevalent and people are still finding excuses for doing it.

I agree with @Linaleah: if you want to queue random for the XP but port to FG, DO IT WITH A PREFORMED GROUP. Or at least ask in the group when you arrive (ask, not say "port to FG and then go") and only if everyone agrees should you go. People that straight port should get kicked from group. And I'm usually one who doesn't kick.

starkerealm · December 2018

majulook wrote: »

Do this instead....

1. Get Undaunted Daily Pledges
2. Get a random dungeon group.
3. Instead of porting to FG1 port to dungeon is one of that days Undaunted Pledges.
4. get random reward and the Undaunted Daily reward.

That used to be a thing. Weirdly, since this last Undaunted Celebration, it seems to be reversed.

StormChaser3000 · December 2018

Why would anyone enjoy running CoA2 as a random instead of FG1 if you've already done your quest there?

And yes, there also another way I can still get easier dungeon if you refuse to port.

Jhalin · December 2018

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Jhalin wrote: »

So...probably in 3-6 months if we’re optimistic...after which group finder will be non functional for probably another month

You’ll forgive me if I don’t have oodles of confidence in those sort of ETAs

Don’t use the dungeon finder if your intent is for a specific clear of FG1 ... pretty simple really. Run a pre-made group.

That way you’re not screwing over players that want to run the selected dungeon for their rewards.

I don’t do that so I don’t really care. With my connection, a load screen takes near as long as it takes to finish most dungeons so there’d hardly be a point

starkerealm · December 2018

Jhalin wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Jhalin wrote: »

So...probably in 3-6 months if we’re optimistic...after which group finder will be non functional for probably another month

You’ll forgive me if I don’t have oodles of confidence in those sort of ETAs

Don’t use the dungeon finder if your intent is for a specific clear of FG1 ... pretty simple really. Run a pre-made group.

That way you’re not screwing over players that want to run the selected dungeon for their rewards.

I don’t do that so I don’t really care. With my connection, a load screen takes near as long as it takes to finish most dungeons so there’d hardly be a point

They're chasing the random reward, and don't care. So they'll opt out of the harder dungeon, and jump over.

MasterSpatula · December 2018

heaven13 wrote: »

I love that during the Undaunted Festival all the threads about this were "it'll go back to normal soon, stop complaining, people have a lot of alts to run through dungeons in a day" and now it's still prevalent and people are still finding excuses for doing it.

I mean, anyone who honestly thinks that the large number of those willing to exploit aren't also willing to push the exploit to its limits (to the point where a fairly benign exploit morphs into a system that punishes people for doing it right) should see me about a bridge I'm selling.

starkerealm · December 2018

heaven13 wrote: »

I love that during the Undaunted Festival all the threads about this were "it'll go back to normal soon, stop complaining, people have a lot of alts to run through dungeons in a day" and now it's still prevalent and people are still finding excuses for doing it.

I agree with @Linaleah: if you want to queue random for the XP but port to FG, DO IT WITH A PREFORMED GROUP. Or at least ask in the group when you arrive (ask, not say "port to FG and then go") and only if everyone agrees should you go. People that straight port should get kicked from group. And I'm usually one who doesn't kick.

Take at least one friend with you. If someone tries to port, kick 'em. You and your friend will account for 2 of the 3 votes.

I hate to say it too, because I love daily randoms, but I can't remember the last time I hopped in the open queue, with this behavior.

idk · December 2018

Salvas_Aren wrote: »

Pointless.

Fixing this would lead to another exploit. I won't tell you which.

@Salvas_Aren

It is certainly not pointless and if you are aware of another exploit you are responsible to report it. It is only made difficult by those who choose to be cheaters and do not report their exploits. It even says in the ToS you are required to report it.

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Wildberryjack wrote: »

How is this an "exploit"? Sorry don't see it. Nothing here to be "fixed".

ZOS considers it an exploit ... that’s all you need to know.

and this. It would be better if Zos took firmer actions against exploiters. Something like this deserves a short term ban which would be better served during an event.

heaven13 · December 2018

MasterSpatula wrote: »

heaven13 wrote: »

I love that during the Undaunted Festival all the threads about this were "it'll go back to normal soon, stop complaining, people have a lot of alts to run through dungeons in a day" and now it's still prevalent and people are still finding excuses for doing it.

I mean, anyone who honestly thinks that the large number of those willing to exploit aren't also willing to push the exploit to its limits (to the point where a fairly benign exploit morphs into a system that punishes people for doing it right) should see me about a bridge I'm selling.

Oh, I agree with you completely. Just a lot of white knighters out there trying to make it seem like the port was justifiable due to that particular set of conditions and now that it's over, still trying to find excuses for their poor behavior. There wasn't an excuse then, just more people wanting to do randoms for the rewards during that week, and there's not an excuse now. It's called being inconsiderate.

Ackwalan · December 2018

I typically do 2 or 3 specific dungeons a day looking for gear I want. During the event, it happened a lot, after the event it happens about once a week. The problem is, that a lot more people know about it and are now doing it after the event.