Elitism vs. Enjoying the game

Raudgrani · December 2018

Saw some post on Facebook the other day, by a dude who just reached CP 160. He asked for someone to craft him Viper (yes) and Hunding's Rage; so i got the impression he didn't know very much and didn't really have any in-game friends. First thing people do, is saying he should go and farm Advancing Yokeda jewelry and daggers, and get Relequen and Velidreth and yada yada.... I was just like "Poor guy, he'd miss all the fun".
I have a problem to imagine someone CP 160 would see the "fun" in running some Craglorn trial(s) like 20-30 times (and then Cloudrest, and at least a vet run in Cradle of Shadows), because yes - that's what you're looking forward to if you want AY daggers (and jewelry). If you don't have the daggers, you are just as well (or better) off with some of the alternatives to AY.
I pointed that out, and was of couuuuurse met with the "laughing in tears" smileys, and "Craglorn trials is so easy! Noob! LOL" type of ridicule, just as if they completely missed the whole point; that they are turning new players away from the game with this stuck-up min/max elitist crap. Making people believe they NEED exactly that specific gear to play, or be welcome to do so. Making them think there are no people who never ran a vet trial, that everyone has (or even wants) "BIS gear" and so on. Everyone ain't into that, even though they played since the start of the game.

As a contrast to this, I'll tell you about a personal experience, from yesterday actually. I had this pretty boring "unkillable" PVP tank, that I felt like making something completely new and different.
I stripped him naked, and went through the chests in my house. Settled for a good old set of Vicious Ophidian, Briarheart and Sellistrix, dual wield and bow (was like level 3 on bow with this dude!).
I had hardly ever visited placed like Craglorn and Wrothgar with him, so I first went to Craglorn - just running blindly without even checking the map. I was doing some random questing, these world bosses and delves, "Group area bosses" and such (I died plenty to these, had forgot how hard some of those damn bosses are...), and did that Skyreach Citadell thing as a finisher.
Went to Wrothgar to do some delves and the world bosses. At the first one (Accursed Nursery), someone like level 320 or so showed up and invited me to group, and I was like "Yeah wtf. why not!?" (I normally never accept such invites today). He/she didn't talk (nor did I), we just did all the bosses without any communication before we split up.

To sum it up, I had the most fun I've had in a loooong time in this game. With a completely "non-meta" build, and just doing "easy noob stuff" and so on. Found places and saw stuff I don't even think I've ever seen before, or at least completely forgot about. It almost felt like when the game was new, and I'm gonna do the same thing tonight! F**k finish leveling that PVP defile/bleed build orc stamsorc, he can wait! :-D

Honestly, you should try it! Try making a completely nonsensical character with some odd monster set (and why don't you try some of those cheesy proc sets you never tried!?), use weapons/skills you normally don't use, and head out for some fun - because it really is that: Fun! :-)

Tasear · December 2018

First there's a difference between elite and elistism. The elite will advise something fitting person's need, while elistist will push their way.

On topic, how to people get knowledge without be deemed? Do people need to join guilds? How to people learn to get better in game as a solo player?

Raudgrani · December 2018

Tasear wrote: »

First there's a difference between elite and elistism. The elite will advise something fitting person's need, while elistist will push their way.

On topic, how to people get knowledge without be deemed? Do people need to join guilds? How to people learn to get better in game as a solo player?

If a guy who just reached CP 160 are told he sort of needs to get Advancing Yokeda daggers/jewelry + Relequen and Velidreth, he can sure join some guild doing so - and spend 90% of his time dead/being resurrected and feeling like ***, while others farm gear for him/her. I don't think you really boost that players will too play, or his/her self confidence or anything else positive for his/her experience of the game. I think you should feel more that you contribute, make a difference.
It's not like that player WILL need anything like "min/max" gear for another 400-500 CP anyway, right? He/she won't likely be running VMOL next week, rather actually start doing dungeons (even non-DLC) on veteran, and enjoy the game. Feel that they get better. It's not time for leaderboard competition for quite a while (if ever!).
That player will still be very well off using like Leviathan armor and crafted Hunding's Rage jewelry and weapons or whatever, for quite another while. It takes like 2-3 runs on normal Crypt of Hearts to get the armor, and someone spending 2 minutes crafting him/her blue jewelry and purple weapons for free. That's all it takes.

But this is the way MANY people make it seem, you need the best gear and nothing else will do. Everything else is "garbage", as they literally put it - if you don't have that stuff, it's just ***. And it is most certainly turning people away from the game, without any kind of doubt.

And yeah. It's one thing to strive for perfection yourself, and a completely different thing to make others believe that's the norm, that you have to be like that to have any kind of right to existence in the game.
I've never ever seen or heard of another game where people are so obsessed with min/max and pretending to pull 80k DPS (on a target dummy) and so on - and where this is seen as some kind of MUST, like if you don't belong to that clientele, you have no place here. It sucks, and it's very negative for the whole game. There's so much more to it than no death runs in VMOL, it seems many forgot.

Beardimus · December 2018

^ i think tasear makes some great points here

I think for me its about how the help is handled. I suffered elitism when i started trials and I've never really gone back because of it. However the help i got in PvP was epic, and it was more tailored around what i wanted to do / achieve. Not a forced view of what i HAD to run etc.

I get Vet HM trials crews need to know where the bar is set from their group, totally. But its about how advice is dished out not just the advice. And preaching at people in PUGs often doesn't quite hit it.

Difficult one tho as in reality folks are just trying to help

WuffyCerulei · December 2018

Poor guy, those meta stam people should know not running Relequen and AY are not the end of the world. Viper’s and Hunding’s a good starter set up for newer players. Or replace Viper’s with Spriggan’s or Leviathan. I do feel for the guy. I hope he got the gear he wanted.

Tasear · December 2018

Raudgrani wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

First there's a difference between elite and elistism. The elite will advise something fitting person's need, while elistist will push their way.

On topic, how to people get knowledge without be deemed? Do people need to join guilds? How to people learn to get better in game as a solo player?

If a guy who just reached CP 160 are told he sort of needs to get Advancing Yokeda daggers/jewelry + Relequen and Velidreth, he can sure join some guild doing so - and spend 90% of his time dead/being resurrected and feeling like ***, while others farm gear for him/her. I don't think you really boost that players will too play, or his/her self confidence or anything else positive for his/her experience of the game. I think you should feel more that you contribute, make a difference.
It's not like that player WILL need anything like "min/max" gear for another 400-500 CP anyway, right? He/she won't likely be running VMOL next week, rather actually start doing dungeons (even non-DLC) on veteran, and enjoy the game. Feel that they get better. It's not time for leaderboard competition for quite a while (if ever!).
That player will still be very well off using like Leviathan armor and crafted Hunding's Rage jewelry and weapons or whatever, for quite another while. It takes like 2-3 runs on normal Crypt of Hearts to get the armor, and someone spending 2 minutes crafting him/her blue jewelry and purple weapons for free. That's all it takes.

But this is the way MANY people make it seem, you need the best gear and nothing else will do. Everything else is "garbage", as they literally put it - if you don't have that stuff, it's just ***. And it is most certainly turning people away from the game, without any kind of doubt.

And yeah. It's one thing to strive for perfection yourself, and a completely different thing to make others believe that's the norm, that you have to be like that to have any kind of right to existence in the game.
I've never ever seen or heard of another game where people are so obsessed with min/max and pretending to pull 80k DPS (on a target dummy) and so on - and where this is seen as some kind of MUST, like if you don't belong to that clientele, you have no place here. It sucks, and it's very negative for the whole game. There's so much more to it than no death runs in VMOL, it seems many forgot.

I get being elite and pushing oneself to greater potential. There's this beautiful epuhoria and pushing yourself aganist others too. Some people closelest to be are surprised how competive I truly am. I enjoy but not at others expense.

But personally I see a lot of people crosses line it exterting dominance and trying to be helpful. Those people OP mentioned aren't giving sincere advice, but trying to dominant the person asking for help.

emilyhyoyeon · December 2018

This sounds more like regular players who hear that AY, Relequen is meta for endgame trials content but, when they hear that, miss the 'for endgame trials content.' I don't think I'd call it elitism but instead people misunderstanding but wanting the recommend the best or something.

BoneShatterer · December 2018

im probably neofthe rare few who wont give a bosmers butt about elitism.
i run an awkward build, its dated orsinium according to the elitists in you so you cant blame me since i just restarded playing this account, but jeesh.... i can solo nearly anything i want ( 2700 sp 2100 mag regen 68% crit 30k mag 21k hp with food buff 15k sr 10k armor) im a magplar and i play the game for quests and entertainment...
3 thorug, dual wield sword /resto staf and shoulders for when i have to heal in a group,
5 julianos
4 transmutations

issue here is ...when ever i get in a group im usually the last one standing when theres a wipe or win and yet i get told i should get for over 2-3 m golds worth of gears because thats how i should be playing my char...

wheres the fun if i have to grind my ass off to earn 3m golds in gears when i know that in 3 weeks, when the new dlc comes out, all the time i spent earn the said gears will be wasted because the new elite rotation and gear set up will change.

if i go in a quest and what i fight dies and i live.... i'm happy.

if i get called out because im not doing 35k dps because i dont have a specificly designed rotation or gear set up because i like the idea of dual wield or because i dont have the money to spend on spell strategist and what not its probably cuz i dont have all that money to spend on gears that wont last more than i can afford for the next dlc ...there is no entertainment or fun in doing this.

sry but for me ; fun > being the very best of the best at killing pixels

Tasear · December 2018

emilyhyoyeon wrote: »

This sounds more like regular players who hear that AY, Relequen is meta for endgame trials content but, when they hear that, miss the 'for endgame trials content.' I don't think I'd call it elitism but instead people misunderstanding but wanting the recommend the best or something.

They started name calling the poor guy. There's nothing wrong elite but elistist are being shown in orginial post.

They laughed at his choice of gear instead of explaining how this gear would work better in future.

What they were doing was being being elistist the elite would know better how explain gear choices and options. Actually any decent human being could of done better.

Nifty2g · December 2018

For some enjoying the game is doing good at the game etc

Also once you do get cp160, it is when end game starts so why not do trials and start the gear grind, It's not as if getting relequen is overly difficult - it drops on normal. And yokeda drops on normal and vet + you can upgrade the quality. it's something to grind for.

It's not the end of the world to suggest a newer player gear options, because it gives them something to do if they choose to do that, some people do like the idea of that and well others dont.

Tabbycat · December 2018

I think one person's idea of enjoyment is different from another person's. I couldn't give two hoots about "meta" but I know there are gamers out there that live and breath for that sort of thing.

I think whatever your idea of "fun" is, that's what you should do.

In general though, no one likes being told how they should play the game, whether you're telling them to play meta or not play meta. Unsolicited advice is rarely welcomed. I learned that the hard way years ago. (I was just trying to help but it didn't end well.) If someone comes to you and asks your opinion, feel free to share it. But realize they don't have to take it. They might already have in mind what they are looking for and are seeking the easiest/fastest way to go about doing it, whatever that may be. Most people take the path of least resistance. It's human nature, after all.

VaranisArano · December 2018

The answer I go with is: whatever gear you need to run the level of content you want to run.

Because, for example, if you want to tank trials, I'm going to tell you to go farm Crypt of Hearts for Ebon Armory. You can wear Plague Doctor, Whitestrake, or Livewire or whatever you want to get your Ebon, but you'll need that Ebon (and eventually Alkosh) when you want to tank trials.

Tasear · December 2018

Tabbycat wrote: »

I think one person's idea of enjoyment is different from another persons. I couldn't give two hoots about "meta" but I know there are gamers out there that live and breath for that sort of thing.

I think whatever your idea of "fun" is, that's what you should do.

In general though, no one likes being told how they should play the game, whether you're telling them to play meta or not play meta. Unsolicited advice is rarely welcomed. I learned that the hard way years ago. (I was just trying to help but it didn't end well.) If someone comes to you and asks your opinion, feel free to share it. But realize they don't have to take it. They might already have in mind what they are looking for and are seeking the easiest/fastest way to go about doing it, whatever that may be. Most people take the path of least resistance. It's human nature, after all.

I given advice in game for years without issues. I think it's how we approach giving and how perceive other players. Some people look down on others when aparting advice. This can come on as emotional attack for others.

gepe87 · December 2018

Elite is someone who has knowledge and share it without any show off, and its humble enough to help other players to complete hard content even they spend a lot of time in some dungeon/trials. An elitist dont share their knowledge, mock and avoid new players and only care to play with they call it "equals". Not to mention that elitist players pimp themselves with a lot of show off both ingame, foruns, youtube and streaming.

Jeremy · December 2018

Tabbycat wrote: »

I think one person's idea of enjoyment is different from another person's. I couldn't give two hoots about "meta" but I know there are gamers out there that live and breath for that sort of thing.

I think whatever your idea of "fun" is, that's what you should do.

In general though, no one likes being told how they should play the game, whether you're telling them to play meta or not play meta. Unsolicited advice is rarely welcomed. I learned that the hard way years ago. (I was just trying to help but it didn't end well.) If someone comes to you and asks your opinion, feel free to share it. But realize they don't have to take it. They might already have in mind what they are looking for and are seeking the easiest/fastest way to go about doing it, whatever that may be. Most people take the path of least resistance. It's human nature, after all.

True.

I learned that lesson a long time ago as well. It's best not to give advice unless it's asked for.

That being said - I see a difference in explaining the "mechanics" of a fight and then trying to tell another player how they should play. I'll offer up the first unsolicited if it looks like the group isn't aware of them. But I'll never tell another player individually how I think they should play or what gear they should use unless they specifically ask for my opinion.

Thorstienn · December 2018

VaranisArano wrote: »

The answer I go with is: whatever gear you need to run the level of content you want to run.

Because, for example, if you want to tank trials, I'm going to tell you to go farm Crypt of Hearts for Ebon Armory. You can wear Plague Doctor, Whitestrake, or Livewire or whatever you want to get your Ebon, but you'll need that Ebon (and eventually Alkosh) when you want to tank trials.

I get what you're saying, but this is getting close to another common problem, and I think it stems from the meta "creators" titling "dungeon and trials build" NOT "trials leaderboards build"

You suggest a tank needs Alkosh to run trials, even though it's a trial set so to get it, you wear something else (infused crusher torugs perhaps), and you realise we can complete this fine with this gear!

In the OP case: hundings and viper?
lol, noob run these 2 trial sets and a vdungeon set and vMA bow backbar!
Ok, what sets do I run to get those?
Hundings and leviathan (or vipers I guess) is a good option!
=elitist idiots.

In other words, you are correct that it depends on the content someone wants to run, but really the only time to tell someone to run the meta, is in a guild that is going for Vet leaderboards runs.

Nb: not a specific attack on you Varanis, you just mentioned a common gripe I have.

Tasear · December 2018

Thorstienn wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

The answer I go with is: whatever gear you need to run the level of content you want to run.

Because, for example, if you want to tank trials, I'm going to tell you to go farm Crypt of Hearts for Ebon Armory. You can wear Plague Doctor, Whitestrake, or Livewire or whatever you want to get your Ebon, but you'll need that Ebon (and eventually Alkosh) when you want to tank trials.

I get what you're saying, but this is getting close to another common problem, and I think it stems from the meta "creators" titling "dungeon and trials build" NOT "trials leaderboards build"

You suggest a tank needs Alkosh to run trials, even though it's a trial set so to get it, you wear something else (infused crusher torugs perhaps), and you realise we can complete this fine with this gear!

In the OP case: hundings and viper?
lol, noob run these 2 trial sets and a vdungeon set and vMA bow backbar!
Ok, what sets do I run to get those?
Hundings and leviathan (or vipers I guess) is a good option!
=elitist idiots.

In other words, you are correct that it depends on the content someone wants to run, but really the only time to tell someone to run the meta, is in a guild that is going for Vet leaderboards runs.

Nb: not a specific attack on you Varanis, you just mentioned a common gripe I have.

Meta alone could be form of elistism. There's no best in slot for every single person or I would question if we are really human and not robots.

Jeremy · December 2018

Tasear wrote: »

Thorstienn wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

The answer I go with is: whatever gear you need to run the level of content you want to run.

Because, for example, if you want to tank trials, I'm going to tell you to go farm Crypt of Hearts for Ebon Armory. You can wear Plague Doctor, Whitestrake, or Livewire or whatever you want to get your Ebon, but you'll need that Ebon (and eventually Alkosh) when you want to tank trials.

I get what you're saying, but this is getting close to another common problem, and I think it stems from the meta "creators" titling "dungeon and trials build" NOT "trials leaderboards build"

You suggest a tank needs Alkosh to run trials, even though it's a trial set so to get it, you wear something else (infused crusher torugs perhaps), and you realise we can complete this fine with this gear!

In the OP case: hundings and viper?
lol, noob run these 2 trial sets and a vdungeon set and vMA bow backbar!
Ok, what sets do I run to get those?
Hundings and leviathan (or vipers I guess) is a good option!
=elitist idiots.

In other words, you are correct that it depends on the content someone wants to run, but really the only time to tell someone to run the meta, is in a guild that is going for Vet leaderboards runs.

Nb: not a specific attack on you Varanis, you just mentioned a common gripe I have.

Meta alone could be form of elistism. There's no best in slot for every single person or I would question if we are really human and not robots.

True.

People have different playing styles, different strengths and weaknesses as a player.

What works for one player may not work as well for another. For example: some players can get away with playing as a glass cannon while others will simply stay dead most of the time and may need to take more care of their defenses.

VaranisArano · December 2018

Thorstienn wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

The answer I go with is: whatever gear you need to run the level of content you want to run.

Because, for example, if you want to tank trials, I'm going to tell you to go farm Crypt of Hearts for Ebon Armory. You can wear Plague Doctor, Whitestrake, or Livewire or whatever you want to get your Ebon, but you'll need that Ebon (and eventually Alkosh) when you want to tank trials.

I get what you're saying, but this is getting close to another common problem, and I think it stems from the meta "creators" titling "dungeon and trials build" NOT "trials leaderboards build"

You suggest a tank needs Alkosh to run trials, even though it's a trial set so to get it, you wear something else (infused crusher torugs perhaps), and you realise we can complete this fine with this gear!

In the OP case: hundings and viper?
lol, noob run these 2 trial sets and a vdungeon set and vMA bow backbar!
Ok, what sets do I run to get those?
Hundings and leviathan (or vipers I guess) is a good option!
=elitist idiots.

In other words, you are correct that it depends on the content someone wants to run, but really the only time to tell someone to run the meta, is in a guild that is going for Vet leaderboards runs.

Nb: not a specific attack on you Varanis, you just mentioned a common gripe I have.

Not a problem.

I specifically mentioned Alkosh because anyone who wants to tank trials will need to acquire a set eventually (unless they run with groups who dont ask their tanks to run Alkosh to support the group.)

So its sort of like this.

"You want to tank trials? Okay. The 3 sets you need are Ebon Armory, Alkosh, and Torug's."

"I'm a brand new tank..."

"That's okay. None of those are necessary for dungeons, or even technically to conplete trials, but those are the sets groups expect because it gives the best support for the group.

So wear whatever you like while you acquire those sets, but chances are that your trials guilds will want you to have those three sets available."

So yeah, I understand why people explain the gear you need to have available if you want to do top tier content because groups expect certain buffs and min maxed gear. Its good for a new player to know what they are aiming for if they want to do top tier group content. On the other hand, I totally agree that its great to know the gear you can use while you get the top tier gear (and usually that gear is perfectly usable for most content outside of top tier min-maxed groups.) It's also silly to expect brand new players to jump straight to top tier trials gear like they are Athena leaping fully formed from the head of Zeus.

Raudgrani · December 2018

Tasear wrote: »

Raudgrani wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

First there's a difference between elite and elistism. The elite will advise something fitting person's need, while elistist will push their way.

On topic, how to people get knowledge without be deemed? Do people need to join guilds? How to people learn to get better in game as a solo player?

If a guy who just reached CP 160 are told he sort of needs to get Advancing Yokeda daggers/jewelry + Relequen and Velidreth, he can sure join some guild doing so - and spend 90% of his time dead/being resurrected and feeling like ***, while others farm gear for him/her. I don't think you really boost that players will too play, or his/her self confidence or anything else positive for his/her experience of the game. I think you should feel more that you contribute, make a difference.
It's not like that player WILL need anything like "min/max" gear for another 400-500 CP anyway, right? He/she won't likely be running VMOL next week, rather actually start doing dungeons (even non-DLC) on veteran, and enjoy the game. Feel that they get better. It's not time for leaderboard competition for quite a while (if ever!).
That player will still be very well off using like Leviathan armor and crafted Hunding's Rage jewelry and weapons or whatever, for quite another while. It takes like 2-3 runs on normal Crypt of Hearts to get the armor, and someone spending 2 minutes crafting him/her blue jewelry and purple weapons for free. That's all it takes.

But this is the way MANY people make it seem, you need the best gear and nothing else will do. Everything else is "garbage", as they literally put it - if you don't have that stuff, it's just ***. And it is most certainly turning people away from the game, without any kind of doubt.

And yeah. It's one thing to strive for perfection yourself, and a completely different thing to make others believe that's the norm, that you have to be like that to have any kind of right to existence in the game.
I've never ever seen or heard of another game where people are so obsessed with min/max and pretending to pull 80k DPS (on a target dummy) and so on - and where this is seen as some kind of MUST, like if you don't belong to that clientele, you have no place here. It sucks, and it's very negative for the whole game. There's so much more to it than no death runs in VMOL, it seems many forgot.

I get being elite and pushing oneself to greater potential. There's this beautiful epuhoria and pushing yourself aganist others too. Some people closelest to be are surprised how competive I truly am. I enjoy but not at others expense.

But personally I see a lot of people crosses line it exterting dominance and trying to be helpful. Those people OP mentioned aren't giving sincere advice, but trying to dominant the person asking for help.

You are not wrong. I had a lot of help by on particular guy when I was new to the game, around CP 200 or so. He did both PVE and PVP quite a lot. He wasn't pushy at all, but more encouraging and fun in a way. Going like "All good today? A, nice... You got this templar, right? Are you gonna use it for something in particular, or do you wanna try out something cool with it in Cyrodiil? Ok! We're gonna make someting called a Blazeplar, and I'm gonna cover you all the time with my nightblade , and we are gonna get rich in Imperial City doing so too - this is gonna be fun. I have some spare 60k, let's go shopping!".
He also helped me make my first PVE stamsorc out of basic easy-to-get gear, which I enjoyed for quite some while before changing it. It felt invincible, and like I could do anything with it solo ("Wow, I can do almost any worldboss SOLO, this is so awesome!").
He made the game FUN, he didn't make me feel useless - but that I improved all the time. He was never like "That ***'s not gonna work, you don't have to try anything else I know what's best. We gotta farm this and that for 3 weeks and get bitter as hell doing so - nothing else is good enough. You ready? And yeah, I see your rotation sucks by the too, you need to learn gawd dammit...".

Linaleah · December 2018

to some of you going "why not farm relequen and AY" unless you are planning on running vet HM trials/DLC dungeons, those sets are completely unnecessary.

and the more important one you all seem to be forgetting:

IN ORDER TO FARM THOSE META SETS - YOU HAVE TO BE WEARING SOMETHING FIRST.

starter sets are a thing, people. and someone who jut hit cp 160 is not going to have a boatload of random sets sitting in storage to cobble up a farming set with.

last but not least - not everyone has fun endlessly farming those daggers that never seem to drop or has a nice guild group full of people will to trade their drops for them.

CompM4s · December 2018

The moment when someone tells a newer player that he has to get a maelstrom bow...

Raudgrani · December 2018

There are LOADS of people who are CP 160, who wear a mix between 10-160 level gear. Most of them have realized there are "sets" by then, but many haven't realized there are like tanking, magicka and stamina sets ("At least I have 5 pieces of this.... Draugr's Heritage, so it's just as good that I stick to that one - it seems cool too").
Some of them made some google search, and found an interesting build from 2015, and don't know the game changes all the time. So they might go like "Okaaay, I need Blackrose, Viper and Tremorscale - this is supposedly as wicked as it gets, not I just need to 25k Tel-Var - I have 236 of them already - and finish these dungeons, and I'm good to go!". Many (surprisingly many) don't even know you have to consume food/drink in game, or go like "I get these Flavorless Paste from The Brass Fortress, 7000 health! I almost never die!".

It's no use really to suggest "that guy" to get Advancing Yokeda, Relequen and Velidreth; and of course to backbar a VMA bow ("otherwise it's no good - you lack 2k DPS from that alone!"), he'll just be discouraged and play Skyrim or Fortnite instead. It's way better to get a basic picture of what this guys knows, and what he wants to do - and help getting started with basic gear one can "outgrow".

The Uninvited · December 2018

For me it's simple:

1. I will help if someone needs information or maybe something crafted.

2. I will not help or even respond to questions such as "Hey, can you give me 10K so I can buy a horse?"

3. I do not care about your gear. If it works for you, it works. If it doesn't work and you ask for tips, I will give them.

Kikke · December 2018

Most of the 'elites' have moved on from the game, so the elitist push the 'elites' builds as a demand for normal dungeons.

Jeremy · December 2018

The Uninvited wrote: »

For me it's simple:

1. I will help if someone needs information or maybe something crafted.

2. I will not help or even respond to questions such as "Hey, can you give me 10K so I can buy a horse?"

3. I do not care about your gear. If it works for you, it works. If it doesn't work and you ask for tips, I will give them.

I had a guy who just asked me for 100k out of the blue the other day...

I wonder if that actually works and they randomly send whispers until they land on some grotesquely rich person who actually just gives it to them.

Raudgrani · December 2018

Kikke wrote: »

Most of the 'elites' have moved on from the game, so the elitist push the 'elites' builds as a demand for normal dungeons.

Might be a bit of truth there. I've been speaking of a "generation change" in the game for a while. You see all these threads about people complaining about "fake tanks" (which is a good point), but you also notice many of these doesn't mean for vet DLC dungeons, but ANY dungeon, and at normal too. They go on about how "noobs" ruin their gaming experience, while I wonder why they just don't run those normal dungeons solo, if they are so "elite".

AlienatedGoat · December 2018

Raudgrani wrote: »

Kikke wrote: »

Most of the 'elites' have moved on from the game, so the elitist push the 'elites' builds as a demand for normal dungeons.

Might be a bit of truth there. I've been speaking of a "generation change" in the game for a while. You see all these threads about people complaining about "fake tanks" (which is a good point), but you also notice many of these doesn't mean for vet DLC dungeons, but ANY dungeon, and at normal too. They go on about how "noobs" ruin their gaming experience, while I wonder why they just don't run those normal dungeons solo, if they are so "elite".

Only time I run with any PUG is for the daily random xp, always on an alt.

Chicharron · December 2018

For the title it would seem that the elitists do not enjoy the game, but i think that everyone enjoys the game in their own way.

I do not have any respect for elitists, i do not even consider them human beings, but i think if they play TESO it is because in a very twisted way they enjoy it.

proteinexe · December 2018

I agree with you 100%. I do a lot of PvP, and as we all know to well, PvP comes with salt.
Some of the people I meet there are complete turn off's for new people. I had a CP 160(fish) with me, and because they hung back not wanting to die consistently, this guy I fought in IC whispered him constant salt about how he was a little ***. It kinda took me back, and It really made me laugh, but also feel a bit pissed that someone could be that low and pathetic to whisper a lower player who he wasn't fighting calling him a '***' etc for not wanting to lose there telvar.

BUT

Ive also had my best experiences in PvP, when (and on multiple occasions) I go up to a group, '/sitchair' and just see what they do. Most of the time, groups will walk past, wave hi, emote me or just walk past. As you said in your original thread, its the mutual agreement that doesn't need to be said that sometime makes the game great.

And as for the last bit of your thread, I try and do that once a day, when the guild are asleep, servers are empty and no ones around, just getting lost a bit in the game. Going to Wrothgar, the Gold Coast and just doing world bosses, maybe doing a quest. Its nice to remember that i, although max CP, have only discovered 10% of the game.

LeagueTroll · December 2018

Well the eltist try to enjoy the game too. How is 10k dps snipe spammer making the game enjoyable for ppl who get them from que?