Free Race/Name Change if passives change

ewenness · December 2018

I'm not going to change my character's race because I don't make characters based around a numerical advantage. Anyone who does is screwing themselves over because it's obvious that in an always online game with competitive elements the developers will have to constantly iterate the numbers to placate the players asking for a balance that never existed and will never exist.

Played an argonian in Daggerfall.
Played an argonian in Morrowind.
Played an argonian in Oblivion.
Played an argonian in Skyrim.

The only way I wouldn't play an argonian in ESO is if Zenimax deleted the race.

SiAScORCH · December 2018

ewenness wrote: »

I'm not going to change my character's race because I don't make characters based around a numerical advantage. Anyone who does is screwing themselves over because it's obvious that in an always online game with competitive elements the developers will have to constantly iterate the numbers to placate the players asking for a balance that never existed and will never exist.

Played an argonian in Daggerfall.
Played an argonian in Morrowind.
Played an argonian in Oblivion.
Played an argonian in Skyrim.

The only way I wouldn't play an argonian in ESO is if Zenimax deleted the race.

Then you don't need them. But when you start really messing with stuff like drastically changing racial passives without being able to change it via gold like you do attributes or skills that's giving the middle finger to your player base. Many people who care about trying to best the best of the best, you do things like pick a certain race. You being Argonian is awesome and all, but outside of pvp, healing and tanking. Argonian race will always be lower dps than say Redguard, wood elf, imperial.

D0PAMINE · December 2018

I specifically choose a fitting race for my class, role and playstyle. I decide if I need max mag/stam, health, mag/stam/regen etc. It's always made sense to me and others to build this way. It's extremely important for ZoS to make these changes fair for everyone. We ALL work hard and have fun on the characters we made. Would any of you really be ok with, for example, your healers race loosing healing done, or magicka regen, extra health etc. Its absolutely silly to not be concerned. We all chose our races for our own reasons, but that doesnt change the fact that it was still our choice reguardless.

ewenness · December 2018

SiAScORCH wrote: »

Many people who care about trying to best the best of the best, you do things like pick a certain race.

ewenness wrote: »

Anyone who does is screwing themselves over because it's obvious that in an always online game with competitive elements the developers will have to constantly iterate the numbers to placate the players asking for a balance that never existed and will never exist.

Tandor · December 2018

I don't disagree with the notion that free race change tokens should be offered when racial passives are radically overhauled, although I personally create my characters a certain way and that's how they remain. I always adapt to any changes which are pretty trivial and generally go unnoticed by most players who aren't obsessively competitive and don't follow forums or read patch notes anyway. I doubt if more than 5% of the playerbase take these things so seriously as to want to change their characters and of those that do, the nature of such changes is that half of the concerned players will be happy with the changes anyway as they'll gain by them.

The demand for free name change tokens is, however, something else entirely. If you decide to turn your Nord character called Nordic Fred into a Redguard then don't expect a free token to change his name to Red Fred!

Nogawd · December 2018

Meta users are a special kind of insecure person.

starkerealm · December 2018

I think I've floated this before, but one option would be to stick some race/name change tokens in the daily reward system.

Silver_Strider · December 2018

They don't even offer cheap skill respecs anymore. What makes you think they'll give race change for free?

Riverlynn · December 2018

My understanding of the proposed changes to racial traits was that they are looking to bring them all in line with each other to help eliminate a racial meta - and not just create a new meta with new races.

Doesn't bother me either way, I create the character I want - not the character that the endgame meta dictates to me.

Regardless, it's all rumour and conjecture at this point. Probably better to wait until we know more?

Lylith · December 2018

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

ZOS:

They're going to make a fortune off of race change tokens after this. No way they give them away for free.

Expect Altmer, Dunmer, Redguard, and Argonian to be nerfed into the ground, which means every endgame player will be buying tokens to switch to the new meta races. That's a ton of revenue.

except those of us who are past it and won't give them another *** dime, ever.

pzschrek · December 2018

It’s likely they’re doing this specifically to sell race change tokens. I would be surprised if they just give them out.

BoneShatterer · December 2018

gamerguy757 wrote: »

So if the rumors are true and ZOS buffs/nerfs racial passives, I feel we all deserve a free race/name change bundle to compensate!!!

dude you shoudl stop playing mmos in all honesty. you would have been a terrible player 20 years ago.... and god forbid we have to go through all the fixes to adjust a single class 20 years ago but today....

templesus · December 2018

That defeats the whole purpose of doing racial rebalance though: to make money.

Kikke · December 2018

My first character was a Altmer Sorcerer, because according to the TES lore, altmers are gifted with strong magical powers. If this change I wont play anymore as it wont be a TES game anymore.

Sabbathius · December 2018

Umm, dude, getting YOU to pay for the race change is WHY they're doing this. They don't give a hoot about balance (just look at the rest of the game), it's just a wonderful money injection whenever they do this. Blizzard has been doing the same thing for a decade now, they even added faction change as a service also, and since races are tied to factions, people pay for that too, whenever opposite faction gets buffed to high heavens (like Every Man For Himself buff). It's completely intentional.

Vapirko · December 2018

I foresee them adding racial morphs. As such you’ll be able to either keep your class as is, or pick new morphs. Class change tokens will not be given out. I just hope they don’t take away the unique passives.

jircris11 · December 2018

Froil wrote: »

Or you could adapt, overcome and keep your character as is and ignore "meta" instead of acting like they're going to absolutely destroy whatever race your character(s) is(are) and crying for compensation.

People adapt and over come? Have you seen the amount of nerf threads? Lol most just cry and complain sadly.

Skander · December 2018

Froil wrote: »

Or you could adapt, overcome and keep your character as is and ignore "meta" instead of acting like they're going to absolutely destroy whatever race your character(s) is(are) and crying for compensation.

Nope. Meta is everything. You won't have fun with a bad race.

General_Zeranth · December 2018

Eh I could give or take free/cheap race change tokens but I know it won't happen so meh.

If the meta drastically overhauls and I need to restart then that's why I keep a flex spot on my 15 character roster to restart and allow that character to chase the meta for a little while.
Skyshards, Lore Books, Psijic Portals, they don't fuss me. Hell I have Master Angler titles on 10 characters now so tedium doesn't get to me. xD

Just like always I guess it'll be a come what may sort of situation. *Sits down and waits for the changes to come.*

SkysOutThizeOut · December 2018

Nah. I rp and want change races anyway. They could do it again anyway.

grannas211 · December 2018

They’re more likely to increase the cost if we’re being honest.

Rake · December 2018

Lizards

Gnortranermara · December 2018

Hopefully they'll separate the three major passives from race altogether (and leave the flavor passives alone) and use birth sign or something like that instead. If so, you should just get to choose a new birth sign (or whatever) on all characters once and pay for changes after that.

OneForSorrow · December 2018

I main a dps argonian and it's not the BiS race for magicka. Play what you like and make it work.

Sylvermynx · December 2018

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Sylvermynx wrote: »

Eesh. Entitlement is strong in this one.

Adapt. If you can't adapt to changing metrics in a game, how do you think you're going to adapt in whatever your job is?

How does one adapt to numerical stat changes? One race will always be better than the rest at a specific role. Nerfing one race/buffing another one will shuft the meta to that race. If you want to continue being optimal in your role, you'll need to change race.

Silly. I play my girls to have fun, I don't bother to chase meta. Never have, never going to. If you have a real job, why are you making a game into another one? That's what chasing meta amounts to....

Arunei · December 2018

I'm an RPer, my characters are made with a persona in mind first, and then I decide gameplay stuff for them based on their personalities in-character. So it won't really matter to me one way or another if the coming racial passive overhaul is major or minor; my characters won't be getting any race changes because they're used for RP first and gameplay second. I'm not altering them for something I focus less on.

That being said, for everyone not in this particular boat, a limited-time free race change thing would be nice, if the changes are really big, but I don't see them giving out free character tokens. A lot of the people who actually spend time playing the game have a good number of characters, if not maxed rosters; proposing free race change tokens sort of implies one for each of a person's characters, even those like me who wouldn't ever use them. I'm not sure how much effort it would be to program something like that since I'm not a coder, but that point aside, it would sort of shoot them in the foot money-wise too.

While there are a lot of naysayers here claiming ZOS is doing this just as a cash grab (and trust me when I say I complain a LOT to my friends about a lot of things ZOS does, so I'm no sympathizer or apologist or anything), I really don't think they're doing this solely to garner income. It would be kinda weird for them to pass up possible revenue though (if it isn't inherently a cash grab, make it one indirectly!), which is why I don't see them giving out a truckload of free race tokens. MAYBE one per account or something, but even that's most likely not gonna happen.

Aliyavana · December 2018

argonians shouldn't really have racials since they are not a real race. they should be removed or renamed into instincts.

Oberstein · December 2018

I agree, what's the point of choosing race if they changed their passive later. Your choice of race become thing you didn't desire for and you wouldn't even choose that race in first place. If they change race passives we have a right to demand compensate of our loss otherwise sue them.