Diminish wrote: »

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

Diminish wrote: »

I probably have a good 300 writs

Its not a hording issue

Hmm.

So what, I should not do daily crafting writs? Then if I do, I should just destroy master writs because if not it's hording? Or do you suggest that I should sell them in a guild trader that limits me to 30 items in a market already flooded with master writs?

I'll do them eventually, and could always use the writ vouchers. However, I don't log on with the intention to port around Tamriel, going in and out of Cyrodiil, etc. for 7 hours straight crafting items and dealing with 4 minute load screens. Especially when you can only do one at a time, and then have to go turn it in. So, again, no its not a hording issue.

Just a note, which may save a lot of time.

You can actually craft items required for all your Master writs, then suffer through a single loading screen to Grahtwood, go say hello to Rolis Hlaalu and then simply use the Master writs one by one. Read, accept, hand in, take the reward. Rinse and repeat.

I found out by accidentally crafting a glyph for another writ, then crafting the correct one and thinking that I could as well try the same thing that works with daily writs for Alchemy and Provisioning. It indeed did work.

Watchdog wrote: »

Just a note, which may save a lot of time.

You can actually craft items required for all your Master writs, then suffer through a single loading screen to Grahtwood, go say hello to Rolis Hlaalu and then simply use the Master writs one by one. Read, accept, hand in, take the reward. Rinse and repeat.

I found out by accidentally crafting a glyph for another writ, then crafting the correct one and thinking that I could as well try the same thing that works with daily writs for Alchemy and Provisioning. It indeed did work.

It really does not save all that much time in the grand scheme of things. You still need to port all over the place, in and out of Cyrodiil to craft the stuff. On top of that, many require legendary mats, which when you have a lot to do, gets very costly/time consuming to track down at a reasonable price as well. So, to prevent being labeled as a hoarder, we are expected to dump millions on mats or go farm other mats in hopes that the RNG refining gods are on our side? Either that, or destroy the master writ according to those on this thread against an inventory cap increase.

Thanks for the advice though, I already knew this however. This in of itself leads to more inventory issues when you are holding onto a bunch of items you crafted (or cant due to space limitations, the reason this thread was even made to begin with) or if you hold onto items necessary to just do the daily writs... it all eats up your inventory space.

My daily writ routine generally goes like this...

Pickup quests
Check inventory to see if I can even make the few items I need to to complete it
If not, temporarily sell things to merchant
Craft items
Turn in writ
Check inventory to see if I have enough space to extract the items from the coffer
If not, temporarily sell more things to merchant
Extract items from coffer reward
Sell un-needed recipes, ornate, and intricate items to merchant
Buy back previously sold temporary items
Rinse and repeat for all 7 daily writs, on most characters

God forbid I get another master writ, which just leads to more temporary selling of things. Then, to do master writs it is pretty much the same ordeal. I never have more than 10 slots available across all my characters combined, my bank, a dedicated guild bank, and every storage coffer. There is no "complete master writs en masse", because there is no inventory space to do so.

Sure, many will say to sell things. Well yeah, that would be great if you could sell more than 30 items at a time; don't expect me to join 4 trader guilds with 10-15k fees just to move items (another issue with the game, don't get me started). I like to play the game which usually amounts to being in pvp/trial focused guilds, not playing store with a bunch of virtual people. Games back the late 80's had infinite item storage, or so it seemed, because the item storage space to in-game items ratio actually fit the game design. The only reason this is not a thing is greed by ZoS (selling storage coffers, additional space, and the craft bag by means of ESO+), and they need to loosen their grip a little bit because they are bleeding the fun factor out of the game for a lot of people.

jircris11 wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

The inventory management is deliberately made a pain point to encourage people to subscribe for the Crafting Bag and doubled bank space and buy (possibly with crowns) the housing storage chests.

If you already have ESO+ and all the housing storage, and reasonably maxed storage on characters, I don't know what to tell you.

Maybe some spring cleaning of unused sets is in order?

They need a furniture bank lol

They have that, its called houses and there are like what 40 of them? more?

For me

From ESO+ bank = 480

From Collection :
4 large chest = 240
6 small chest = 180

all of these still not enough.

Those complaining that ZOS have never increased the storage space when providing new sets with each DLC etc are overlooking the fact that housing chests are a late addition to the game, as indeed since DLC started to be issued were crafting bags.

Again, it would be interesting to know whether all those complaining about running out of space have maxed all existing inventory spaces including through subscribing.

One day there will be an episode of “Hoarders” for games like ESO...

idk wrote: »

2. An armory for bound armor that would be an ESO+ perk. With this we should also be able to create sets bound together so we can pull out one complete set.

I really like this suggestion. I mean, I REALLY like it. I don't understand why something that is bound should also mess up your storage options. I can't trade it. I can't sell it. I have a bunch of your storage trunks already. And I have ESO+. Makes sense.

Which means it will never happen.

Tandor wrote: »

Those complaining that ZOS have never increased the storage space when providing new sets with each DLC etc are overlooking the fact that housing chests are a late addition to the game, as indeed since DLC started to be issued were crafting bags.

Again, it would be interesting to know whether all those complaining about running out of space have maxed all existing inventory spaces including through subscribing.

You're overlooking a pretty obvious flaw with this particular point; only one of those is free. If you want more, you have to either spend Crowns, slog through IC to save up the Tel Var to buy them, or hope for RNG to smile on you in terms of Master Writs to get vouchers to buy them. Thus, they can't really be counted as base expansions to inventory, which is specifically what I'm talking about in terms of the bank and character slots.

You're also overlooking the points I argued before on other 'options' for maxing slots. Some people can't afford a monthly sub, and something as basic as inventory management when the game keeps introducing new items with every DLC without also expanding base inventory should NOT be locked behind a paywall.

As I said already, if ZOS can keep releasing these massive homes that are getting bigger and bigger, I'm pretty sure they could stand to set some of that server space aside to increase the base bank/inventory slots by 10 or 20 every so often.

Joy_Division wrote: »

I don't get all the people who dismiss this issue pointing out how the real problem is the player's fault for some habit or not taking advantage of existing systems.

Oh, really?

How do you like it when you come on these forums and complain how your class isn't very good or could use some reform and get told it's your fault for being a sucky player or not taking advantage of the game's mechanics? You don't like that, do you? People have no problem telling other folks the way they're playing the game is "wrong" and get bent out of shape when people tell them that class is fine and it's a L2P issue.

I know how to L2P when it comes to inventory. It's real life expensive, unnecessarily time consuming, and a pain in the butt. System is ancient, ZOS is constantly adding new stuff into the game that we have to store, does not give us corresponding increase to our storage space, and with the crazy way they balance the game completely overhauling stuff every three months, people hold onto potentially useful gear sets because if they decon them it's more wasted time when the next patch drops. After years, I still haven't got a Burning Spellweave Infeno staff and people are telling me to decon stuff because, why, they don;t want to be inconvenienced by ZOS adding more bank space? GTFO with that selfish crap.

There's nothing wrong with people asking those complaining about lack of storage space to confirm whether they're using the space already available to them, and there's nothing wrong with people who don't suffer from inventory management issues having other priorities for development resources especially when some of those with such issues freely admit that they have a hoarding addiction. Increasing data storage can impact on server performance which is already a major issue, so there's nothing remotely selfish in opposing that. In any event, an officially recognised class representative telling other players to "GTFO with that selfish crap"? Nice!

Tandor wrote: »

There's nothing wrong with people asking those complaining about lack of storage space to confirm whether they're using the space already available to them, and there's nothing wrong with people who don't suffer from inventory management issues having other priorities for development resources especially when some of those with such issues freely admit that they have a hoarding addiction. Increasing data storage can impact on server performance which is already a major issue, so there's nothing remotely selfish in opposing that. In any event, an officially recognised class representative telling other players to "GTFO with that selfish crap"? Nice!

You really aren't looking at the points people are making against 'the space already available to them'. One of the biggest issues with this is, as someone else has said, if you have hundreds of items spread across a multitude of characters and banks and so on, then you spend how much time every day hopping back and forth between characters, hunting through banks, checking all these different inventories, trying to find maybe one or two specific things. Are people supposed to start writing down somewhere what items they put into x bank or on y character? People want to play ESO, not play an inventory management minigame before they can get to the actual game.

And again, 'the space already available to them' needs to be purchased with real money either via Crowns (additional storage chests if you can't/don't want to farm TV or vouchers or maxing character slots) or via a sub, or slowly accrued over time in terms of buying the mount upgrades every day. These are things that aren't viable for everyone, whereas most people can save up the in-game gold to afford the bank/backpack expansions easily enough, and that's where base expansions on inventory need to be.

Also your argument about increasing data storage doesn't hold much merit considering, again, the fact that ZOS keeps releasing all these massive houses with a bunch of details and stuff. On this subject, people being told to dump spare furniture into one of their houses is any different in terms of increasing data storage in banks/inventories...how? I don't think you made this particular point, I'm just addressing it here since I brought up housing and I saw this as someone's 'suggestion' for clearing out some space in their banks/inventories.

There is also the fact that since they did introduce the storage chests and you can have several in one house, which again sort of nullifies the 'well adding more storage space would adversely affect performance'. The free storage chest you get could have easily been made into additional bank spaces instead, which I feel a lot more people would benefit from. And if ZOS' servers can't handle increasing base storage at all, how on earth can they handle every major update? Granted I know nothing of programming/coding/etc and such, but it seems to me everyone getting the occasional 10-20 base inventory upgrade would be less strain on the servers than new zones complete with dozens and dozens of new items.

EDIT: Clarifying that I'm not saying everyone should be given free upgrades to base inventory or anything. They'd still need to be purchased just like current upgrades. I meant giving everyone the chance to expand their inventories if they feel so inclined.

Tandor wrote: »

Those complaining that ZOS have never increased the storage space when providing new sets with each DLC etc are overlooking the fact that housing chests are a late addition to the game, as indeed since DLC started to be issued were crafting bags.

Again, it would be interesting to know whether all those complaining about running out of space have maxed all existing inventory spaces including through subscribing.

Yes I have maxed out all options except created my own guild bank. 15 characters with 200 bank space, ESO+ and all 8 storage chest. As stated my only option left is guild bank which is next on my list but I have resisted this as I am in 5 guilds I like and don't really want to drop one.

Great idea, unlimited bank space for ESO subs is a good idea. I understand them wanting to make more money, but it’s such a huge pain point for players adding more space with an advantage for ESO plus would probably help retention enough that they’d make more in the long run.

ESO is a good game, tweaks like this should help it take off.