What aren't houses physically limited?

Fextina · December 2018

This is perhaps not a popular topic around here, but wouldn't it be more interesting if the houses were physically limited in the game universe?

The game can accommodate residential zones of various class (poor to super rich) and houses can be part of the economy. They are always taxed so if the player abandons the game or doesn't play for a long time, then the house goes back to the game where it is available for resell. There is also a regular upkeep fee depending on the size/class of the house.

While technically challenging, I think it would make housing a whole lot more interesting than it is now. Of course there is the issue of scaling this to accommodate to the number of users that could perhaps be interested in the grind aspect of the game.

Let the player based economy drive the housing prices up/down with time. This scenarios would be a LOT more interesting than just "this one house is magically the same for everyone".

Azriael2 · December 2018

A big no. If I remember correctly, Aion had same thing, house prices were around 100m+ and none of them were empty. In ESO, not only you spend a lot of money for houses, but also for furniture to being able to be creative. Also, this would cut crown store houses. Stop trying to limit us more, furniture limit is enough.

Aurie · December 2018

No

Vahlyance · December 2018

D e l e t e - t h i s

For real this time.

DarknDarker · December 2018

pretty sure this wold kill housing big time. hard no from me

M_Volsung · December 2018

Minyassa · December 2018

Housing is not something that most people want to be challenging. Housing is a break from challenging content and is instead the one opportunity we have to be really creative and put a personal spin on a space that we can make our own. Housing is where most of my guildies go and play after we've done hard content, to socialize and fiddle around and collaborate on decorating (or ERP, probably). Making it less available would kill that.

RebornV3x · December 2018

No no to the no no

Ajaxandriel · December 2018

MattT1988 · December 2018

Terrible idea.

Watchdog · December 2018

Definitely one of the worst ideas I have ever seen on this forums.

ApostateHobo · December 2018

Literally the worst idea I've EVER seen on here. May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your armpits for even suggesting it.

Tigerseye · December 2018

It would perhaps be interesting, from a social experiment point of view, but I doubt it would work.

I think you would need to set up a dedicated (extremely large) MMO housing simulator game to be like that, from the start, for this idea to have even a chance of working.

As you would need huge maps in general and huge towns and cities, in particular, full of houses and apartments of every size and type (which you could then add to, if and when necessary), to make sure there were enough to go around, without increasingly insane house prices.

Otherwise, you would end up with the situation we have in the UK, at the moment.

Where, due to decades of gangster economics, the selling off (and intentional non-replacement) of social housing and the failure to build enough housing in general, house prices are through the roof (pun duly noted) and people are either in massive debt, for a hovel, or unable to buy anything at all.

The only people owning anything they got for even a half reasonable price (before this madness was fully imposed on us) being well over 70, by now.

The game equivalent of that, of course, being super-rich original players owning multiple mansions, they got for a song; vs homeless newer players, without the means for even a small apartment.

Tigerseye · December 2018

ApostateHobo wrote: »

Literally the worst idea I've EVER seen on here. May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your armpits for even suggesting it.

I don't think it's a terrible idea, in general (in fact, it's really quite interesting!) - I just don't see how it could work in ESO?

Especailly as many people have already bought their houses under the current system.

Heck, it's not even working in the real world, in many places...

wenchmore420b14_ESO · December 2018

idk · December 2018

Fextina wrote: »

While technically challenging, I think it would make housing a whole lot more interesting than it is now.

It is so easy to make a statement like this. However, like in the OP here, it is often not supported by anything. Just an empty comment.

So OP, how would make housing a whole lot more interesting? Costing more gold just to keep the house does not make it more interesting. Having the price fluctuate based on how many players buy homes does not make it interesting.

Donari · December 2018

If you make houses a limited supply compared to the number of players, you will be adding griefing and rancor and stress with no benefit except to those cutthroat enough to fight their way to ownership. I've seen this in every MMO I've played that had open world limited housing. Even in LotRO, which has infinite housing, being able to get the house you want in the neighborhood you want with the neighbors (guildies) you want is a taxing process that can be completely wasted if you miss one month's rent.

Super unfun, bad idea.

Aurie · December 2018

Tigerseye wrote: »

It would perhaps be interesting, from a social experiment point of view, but I doubt it would work.

I think you would need to set up a dedicated (extremely large) MMO housing simulator game to be like that, from the start, for this idea to have even a chance of working.

As you would need huge maps in general and huge towns and cities, in particular, full of houses and apartments of every size and type (which you could then add to, if and when necessary), to make sure there were enough to go around, without increasingly insane house prices.

Otherwise, you would end up with the situation we have in the UK, at the moment.

Where, due to decades of gangster economics, the selling off (and intentional non-replacement) of social housing and the failure to build enough housing in general, house prices are through the roof (pun duly noted) and people are either in massive debt, for a hovel, or unable to buy anything at all.

The only people owning anything they got for even a half reasonable price (before this madness was fully imposed on us) being well over 70, by now.

The game equivalent of that, of course, being super-rich original players owning multiple mansions, they got for a song; vs homeless newer players, without the means for even a small apartment.

Or in other words, no.

Jaimeh · December 2018

I love that housing lets players get creative, and the only grind-y aspect is gathering recipes, materials, and gold to decorate them to our liking (and for housing enthousiasts it's quite the grind). Like a comment said above, incorporating houses somehow to the game economy, would overcomplicate that, and probably kill creativity, and with it all the sorts of activities that take place in houses, especially guild houses/events. There are other ways to make houses more useful, relevant and lively, but I don't like the idea of Monopoly-ESO as one of them.

Jayne_Doe · December 2018

I agree with the majority here that this would not be a welcome addition to housing. Firstly, many have already bought homes - the SAME homes - under the current system. Under the new system, you'd have to figure out a way to deal with the fact that many players already have the same house in the same place. You'd have to move all of those homes and then players would fight over the location of their version of the home? Or you'd just leave all current houses alone?

Second, it would be difficult to incorporate the system with the Crown Store only homes. No one would want to have to pay rent on a home that they purchased with real money. I guess then CS only homes would still be ones that are in a specific place that everyone has access to? Then what about the homes that are in-game but can also be purchased through the store? Those would still remain as is, I suppose?

So, even if this were implemented, the current housing would most likely have to remain as is, with new housing being like the system you propose. Which would mean that very few would participate in it, if they were just able to continue with the way things are now.

I can't see them even bothering to come up with something like this, as it would mean pretty much scrapping the current system.

I'd rather they implement other things to make the current housing more interesting AND functional. They should put development time toward improvements, not a complete rework into a system that I highly doubt would be welcome.

Let's have more functional guild houses - port to guild house (for non-PC players), e.g. Banker and merchant at guild house can provide access to guild bank/store and can repair gear. More interactive furnishings in our homes (sleeping in beds, e.g. - an emote like sitting in chairs and not one that has to provide a bonus).

qbit · December 2018

Paying my 25k in guild dues every week is hard enough to find the time to do... To have to logon each week to manage housing.......

ArchangelIsraphel · December 2018

Azriael2 wrote: »

A big no. If I remember correctly, Aion had same thing, house prices were around 100m+ and none of them were empty. In ESO, not only you spend a lot of money for houses, but also for furniture to being able to be creative. Also, this would cut crown store houses. Stop trying to limit us more, furniture limit is enough.

This is exactly why I migrated away from Aion even if I loved the lore and old aesthetic. Housing was interesting to me, but it just wasn't fun at all with the dues even on the smallest of houses.

OP must be a masochist >_>

mayasunrising · December 2018

UO did this and what happened is you had people camping decayed houses, fighting over spots, people charging ludicrous amounts of money to sell their homes - only to swindle the buyer afterward, rez killing owners to persuade them to move, and all other sorts of not-so-funky-fresh activities.

So no. Instanced housing is a good thing.

That being said, I think there is still a lot more that could be offered in ESO housing - much of which has already been suggested or requested by the community. More NPCS, in house vendors to sell items to visitors, the ability to turn in writs, an agricultural system, weapon and armor racks, etc.

What I would really like to see for the future is housing items that are not only consumable, but must be crafted and sold by players (such as resource producing plants maybe) to enhance the player-based economy. I'm thinking back to UOs plant system and the resources that could be harvested and sold. You had things like petals that cured poison, restored magicka, gave bonuses to healing, etc. Or something like that.

FakeFox · December 2018

Oh yeah, losing a house worth 80€ and a few million gold while on holiday sounds like a lot of fun.

redspecter23 · December 2018

I'll have to say No on this one. How could they possibly balance the amount of houses properly? Either they are so rare only the super rich can afford them or so common that the rarity wouldn't matter. Also, I'm going to assume that a great many players have zero interest in renting a house with an upkeep cost when up until now, they could outright buy them. That would be a massive overnight nerf to the current system

However, if ZOS wanted to try this alongside the current system, they could give it a shot. I can just say with near certainty right up front that it would be the same few people owning those houses week after week. It's like designing a DLC for 0.01% of your player population. You can do it, but who really gets to enjoy the work put into it?

Grianasteri · January 2019

No.

IndorilArwynLlethran · January 2019

What a stupid idea.

Alinhbo_Tyaka · January 2019

No! One of the reasons I quit Final Fantasy XIV was its restricted and reclaimed housing model.

Zypheran · January 2019

Absolutely no.
IMO this idea only appeals to the kind of person that takes joy not just in having something but knowing somebody else doesn't have it!

Sylvermynx · January 2019

Doesn't sound like fun or a good idea to me.

CMDR_Un1k0rn · January 2019

No OP.

Just no.

Housing is great fun and all your proposal does it limit it to the top 1%.

We have enough of that rubbish with IRL housing. Let us have our fantasy homes in cyberspace.