Buff stam sorc

brandonv516 · December 2018

Stamsorc at the bottom of PvP...

Vapirko · December 2018

Agreed, it wouldn’t take much either. A lack of class damage skills is a real issue. Since 2h is such trash right now, Stam sorcs are pretty much stuck using DW and only DW skills so other class has such limitations, not even Stam DK. Also other classes get skills with multiple benefits. Stamplars have POL which provide bursts and minor fracture, jabs which snares and AOE damage, extended ritual for purge and small heal, repent gives recovery from the passive as well as in battle burst recovery. Stamina DKs get minor brutality and major meaning from igneous shield, Major fracture and a dot from noxious, poison claw is a dot execute, wings reflects and removes snares with immunity. And I shouldn’t even have to spell out how many stacked buffs and benefits Stamblade and Stamden skills offer. By comparison Stam sorcs have hurricane. That is the only skills that provides both a buff and a secondary effect and it must be used in conjunction with crit surge. Stam sorcs runs out of bar room way too quickly, and with the loss of overload bar they’re gimped further. But as I said it wouldn’t take much, because they can still hit really hard. And I think that preferable to a passive rework would be consolidating some skill effects and reworking some class morphs into usable skills for Stam. It would be cool to see Stam sorcs focus even further into the storm/wind idea and maybe have a Stam version of the execute, liquid lighting, there was rumor of an air Atro etc. A class dot and/or burst skill would help a lot.

Ragnarock41 · December 2018

eso_lags wrote: »

Back from the dead?

Anyway lets compare stam dk..

Ardent flame
Skills: 3 solid dots in the form of claw, breath, and flames of oblivion... Also major fracture and major savagery..
Passives: Poison damage bonus and stamina restoration, enemy movement speed reduction, more poison damage bonus, poison damage cost reduction...

Draconic power
Skills: Leap, dragons blood, volatile, reflective scales.. And those skills come with major ward/resolve, major fortitude and major endurance, and snare immunity..
Passives: Increase the amount of damage you can block by 10%, 12% healing received, increase health recovery by 5% for each draconic ability slotted and increase range of instant melee attacks by 2 meters, increase spell resist by 3300....

Earthenheart
Skills: Corrosive armor, fragmented/igneous shield, molten weapons, petrify.. And those skills come with major mending, major brutality, and a CC that cannot be dodged or blocked....
Passives: Increase earthenheart abilities by 20%, using your ultimate returns a solid amount of every stat, using an earthenheart ability gives you minor brutality and generates 3 ultimate every 6 seconds, and casting an earthenheart ability restores 1k stam....

Stam dk might not be at the top of the classes but it has a lot to work with. It has high dot damage, very good healing passives, many buffs, debuffs, class damage skills with passives to buff those skills, very good resource return skills, good magicka and stamina utility skills, and corrosive which is amazing... I feel like the healing is a big help to stam dks as well, compared to stam sorc anyway. If i get hit with defile im in trouble, if you do you can pop igneous and negate a lot of the defile. And even still there are bonus healing passives..

Stam sorc...

Dark magic
Skills: Negate, Dark deal, rune prison. What comes with that is probably the best sustain tool in the game, a CC that cannot be blocked but can be dodged, and a unique ultimate that is good in group play but pretty useless for solo most of the time.
Passives: 5% magic/stam cost reduction, after blocking an attack your next ability costs 15% less..

Deadric summoning
Skills: Bound armaments... 11% stam increase, 8% light attack damage bonus, and when you activate, for 3k stam, increase block mitigation by 36% for 3 seconds..
Passives: 15% ultimate cost reduction, and 20% health/stam recovery if you slot bound armor...

Storm calling
Skills: hurricane, crit surge, blot escape.. What comes with that is major ward/resolve, minor expedition, and the classes only stamina damage skill in the form of a solid DOT... Major brutality and a heal every 1 second when you crit, and bolt escape..
Passives: Increase physical damage by 5%, implosion, Increase your weapon damage by 2% for each class ability slotted..

And thats pretty much it.. If you compare other classes, such as stamblade and stamden, the difference is gross. When you take combos and counters into account its even worse.. And stam dk might not be too far off from stam sorc in the currnet meta... Although I still feel like it has access to a decent amount more, which means more creativity and options for builds. And something to burst these damage dealing tanks/heal tanks in the current meta.

Like i said before im not saying that the class is terrible. I can make it work just fine and go out and solo. The issue is that compared to other classes it is lacking. Its amazing to me that it stayed lacking while stam warden got put in the game.. Or while stamblade exists..

It lacks class damage skills, it lacks a class ult.. There is no class burst tool such as incap, spectral bow, power of the light, shalks, or corrosive.. It needs some more passives. Maybe something like fracture and minor berserk.. Maybe a small healing passive like stamblade has.. And maybe a useful ultimate..

Thankfully the skills we do have are good. Dark deal is really the best thing we have.. Hurricane is a basic buff that all classes get with a good dot for melee range, and minor expedition, and a cool animation... Crit surge is a good bonus heal.. And bound armor is decent but really only for the 11% stam and passive that comes with it.. Again i dont have any issue playing my stam sorc, i just want to make sure the devs are aware that it needs attention. I certainly dont want it to be the best class. And it does seem they are giving it tiny buffs every now and again which is good.

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Vapirko · December 2018

MaxwellC wrote: »

@eso_lags
Mate you guys literally stole my skill so how about you give me my Flames of Oblivion AoE back... oh yeah they're calling it "Hurricane"; Give me that back and then we can talk about buffs to a class that has high mobility, passive execute, and passives that don't need X/Y skill to actually be useful also better resource regen.

Stamina DK has amazing passives lol. Stop acting wounded. Stam DKs are not nearly in as bad a spot as people make them out to be. Yes I play/have played both classes. And to the people trying to say that Stam wardens are equal to sram sorcs... just... umm... what?

dazee · December 2018

instead of buff stam sorc, lets give it more options for stamina morphs of sorc abilities.

Onefrkncrzypope · December 2018

eso_lags wrote: »

Back from the dead?

Anyway lets compare stam dk..

Ardent flame
Skills: 3 solid dots in the form of claw, breath, and flames of oblivion... Also major fracture and major savagery..
Passives: Poison damage bonus and stamina restoration, enemy movement speed reduction, more poison damage bonus, poison damage cost reduction...

Draconic power
Skills: Leap, dragons blood, volatile, reflective scales.. And those skills come with major ward/resolve, major fortitude and major endurance, and snare immunity..
Passives: Increase the amount of damage you can block by 10%, 12% healing received, increase health recovery by 5% for each draconic ability slotted and increase range of instant melee attacks by 2 meters, increase spell resist by 3300....

Earthenheart
Skills: Corrosive armor, fragmented/igneous shield, molten weapons, petrify.. And those skills come with major mending, major brutality, and a CC that cannot be dodged or blocked....
Passives: Increase earthenheart abilities by 20%, using your ultimate returns a solid amount of every stat, using an earthenheart ability gives you minor brutality and generates 3 ultimate every 6 seconds, and casting an earthenheart ability restores 1k stam....

Stam dk might not be at the top of the classes but it has a lot to work with. It has high dot damage, very good healing passives, many buffs, debuffs, class damage skills with passives to buff those skills, very good resource return skills, good magicka and stamina utility skills, and corrosive which is amazing... I feel like the healing is a big help to stam dks as well, compared to stam sorc anyway. If i get hit with defile im in trouble, if you do you can pop igneous and negate a lot of the defile. And even still there are bonus healing passives..

Stam sorc...

Dark magic
Skills: Negate, Dark deal, rune prison. What comes with that is probably the best sustain tool in the game, a CC that cannot be blocked but can be dodged, and a unique ultimate that is good in group play but pretty useless for solo most of the time.
Passives: 5% magic/stam cost reduction, after blocking an attack your next ability costs 15% less..

Deadric summoning
Skills: Bound armaments... 11% stam increase, 8% light attack damage bonus, and when you activate, for 3k stam, increase block mitigation by 36% for 3 seconds..
Passives: 15% ultimate cost reduction, and 20% health/stam recovery if you slot bound armor...

Storm calling
Skills: hurricane, crit surge, blot escape.. What comes with that is major ward/resolve, minor expedition, and the classes only stamina damage skill in the form of a solid DOT... Major brutality and a heal every 1 second when you crit, and bolt escape..
Passives: Increase physical damage by 5%, implosion, Increase your weapon damage by 2% for each class ability slotted..

And thats pretty much it.. If you compare other classes, such as stamblade and stamden, the difference is gross. When you take combos and counters into account its even worse.. And stam dk might not be too far off from stam sorc in the currnet meta... Although I still feel like it has access to a decent amount more, which means more creativity and options for builds. And something to burst these damage dealing tanks/heal tanks in the current meta.

Like i said before im not saying that the class is terrible. I can make it work just fine and go out and solo. The issue is that compared to other classes it is lacking. Its amazing to me that it stayed lacking while stam warden got put in the game.. Or while stamblade exists..

It lacks class damage skills, it lacks a class ult.. There is no class burst tool such as incap, spectral bow, power of the light, shalks, or corrosive.. It needs some more passives. Maybe something like fracture and minor berserk.. Maybe a small healing passive like stamblade has.. And maybe a useful ultimate..

Thankfully the skills we do have are good. Dark deal is really the best thing we have.. Hurricane is a basic buff that all classes get with a good dot for melee range, and minor expedition, and a cool animation... Crit surge is a good bonus heal.. And bound armor is decent but really only for the 11% stam and passive that comes with it.. Again i dont have any issue playing my stam sorc, i just want to make sure the devs are aware that it needs attention. I certainly dont want it to be the best class. And it does seem they are giving it tiny buffs every now and again which is good.

There is no poison damge boost on Stam dk. Like at all. The Stam return is to rare to brag about. You have to slot draconic abilities SDK use one. And having to use ult to sustain is counter to what ulties are. But honestly all spammableless class are in a bad place with mSorc just above the other two.

Ertosi · December 2018

Having stam and mag versions of each class, I find I disagree with the original premise. I

my stam sorc. He's so much fun to play and compared to my other alts really feels like he just plows through stuff!

eso_lags · December 2018

Kadoin wrote: »

eso_lags wrote: »

Kadoin wrote: »

eso_lags wrote: »

Aznox wrote: »

ccmedaddy wrote: »

Stamsorc = worst sustain out of all stam specs
Sorcs need to get a new class sustain passive like how they gave DKs Combustion a couple patches ago.

Yeah, as a stam sorc i wish i had a tool that would allow me to run a build with only 1200 stam regen but with extremely high resistances and damage ...

oh wait ... that's called Dark Deal.

eso_lags wrote: »

Stam warden is basically a better stam sorc.
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Try playing 2h stam sorc like i do
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A good stam sorc on a dual wield build is strong. A good stamden on a DW build is stronger.

Well maybe if you tried playing stamsorc to it's strength ..

Stamwarden has better burst thanks to shalks, but in a pressure fight hurricane is going to be worth more damage at a lower cost.

Wow.. Mind blowing, truly..

Playing stam sorc to its strengths huh. Trust and believe i play stam sorc to the few strengths it has. Not that it particularity has many. Honestly coming from the class it has good sustain. I can spec into higher damage and lower recovery because of dark deal. Nice. But what other strengths?

As i said in the first post, stam sorc used to have a few things going for it. Speed, mobility, best sustain in game, and a third bar. Now anyone can be fast with swift, streak is pretty useless considering the snare infestation in game, plus gap close, which makes the magicka not worth wasting, sustain is still the best, and the third bar is gone.

So what are we left with? What skills and passives? What combos can we create with them? What classes can we counter with them? We can build for high damage but still not have the same burst potential as stamblade, stamden, stamplar, and even stam dk with its corrosive popped...

I know what strengths and weaknesses the class has ive played it long enough. Thats not the point. Its not that you CANT build strong working with certain sets, weapon skills, or racial passives.. The point is what its lacking compared to other classes.

And its truly mind boggling that you would think hurricane is going to help more than shalks. Are you kidding me?? Where? lol.. Just go into cyrodil and look at the groups.. Ask yourself why there are an excess of stamina wardens and not many stam sorcs. And if you are talking solo then you're still wrong. Blowing up a few people with shalk-db-spin is more effective than hurricane-db-spin.. Come on.

So because you happen to see a lot of stam wardens stam sorc needs a buff? Really?

If thats what you got out of everything i said then im pretty sure that I cannot help you understand. That is so far from the point. What i was saying was a response to you saying "but in a pressure fight hurricane is going to be worth more damage at a lower cost." No. Wrong. Incorrect.

And then i said, ask yourself why there are so many stam wardens running around cyrodil with that combo.. If hurricane was better you would see waaaay more stam sorcs than you do. And why dont you go ahead and directly compare the classes. Buffs/debuffs, combos/counters, utility and damage skills/passives, strengths/weaknesses.. Let me know what you find.

Sorry, that was a simplified version of what I got. What I really understood from your blob was: blah, blah, blah, my life is not as easy as a stam warden or stam NB, so buff my class. Clearer now?

Seriously look at the tripe you wrote yourself:

eso_lags wrote: »

As i said in the first post, stam sorc used to have a few things going for it. Speed, mobility, best sustain in game, and a third bar. Now anyone can be fast with swift, streak is pretty useless considering the snare infestation in game, plus gap close, which makes the magicka not worth wasting, sustain is still the best, and the third bar is gone.

So what are we left with? What skills and passives? What combos can we create with them? What classes can we counter with them? We can build for high damage but still not have the same burst potential as stamblade, stamden, stamplar, and even stam dk with its corrosive popped...

I know what strengths and weaknesses the class has ive played it long enough. Thats not the point. Its not that you CANT build strong working with certain sets, weapon skills, or racial passives.. The point is what its lacking compared to other classes.

And its truly mind boggling that you would think hurricane is going to help more than shalks. Are you kidding me?? Where? lol.. Just go into cyrodil and look at the groups.. Ask yourself why there are an excess of stamina wardens and not many stam sorcs. And if you are talking solo then you're still wrong. Blowing up a few people with shalk-db-spin is more effective than hurricane-db-spin.. Come on.

1st paragraph, sorry I lol'd. [1] snares affect everyone. In fact, I would say streak is even more valuable with all the snares around, but whatever keep pretending its not. [2] In order to use swift you have to give something up and you can use it as well. [3] Why exactly should stam sorc have had a 3rd bar available in the first place? I don' t see why it should have existed in the first place and it being gone honestly means nothing to me.

2nd paragraph: you are left with what every other stam class is: weapon skills, bleed, SnB line, etc. which all happen to work extremely well on stam sorc, esp. with the passives. It's funny how you also ignore the passives that give cost reduction and recovery, then claim they are "lacking." Have you ever considered that ZOS refuses to give a burst skill because you have cost reduction, regen, and passive damage increases? Have you ever thought that you, yourself, can find the balance between those passives and damage? One thing you probably haven't considered is that the day ZOS introduces what you want, you will lose all of that or all of Cyrodil will be stam sorc.

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4th: Look I'm no fan of stam wardens and I hope they get their nerf they deserve, but that's still a dumb comparison. All you have to do is simply roll or move to avoid shalks, which is not constantly on and can't passively proc damage equivalent to an execute like hurricane. I even avoid shalks with cloak; at least hurricane takes me out of stealth a second later provided I don't use invis pot right before getting uncloaked on my NB.

If you're talking about groups running in balls with shalks, blame ZOS' design philosophy with direct damage in this game: high damage, high scaling, low cost, good secondary effect(s), at the "cost" of them being supposedly dodgeable.

Either way, if anyone seriously thinks stam sorc is at the "bottom" in PvP, I can't take them seriously. I also can't take doublespeak seriously.

You seem to be confused about some things here.

I never said snares didnt effect everyone, i was explaining why i dont use streak.. Its not a bad skill I just dont find is as valuable as i used to. Snares are too strong and too common now.

I never said someone didnt have to give up something to run swift, i just said being very fast on an orc stam sorc is not really unique anymore because others can do it with swift. But ya, those swift builds were terrible. No one used swift.

And why should sorcs have a 3rd bar, you ask? Why should nightblade have cloak? Why should dk have corrosive? Why should templar have purify? Why should any class have anything? This is your logic and this is also a pointless argument because its now gone, but you do seem like the pro nerf type.

But this is where you really seem to lose the whole point of what im saying, and where it shows that you dont really understand this game..

"You are left with what every other stam class is: weapon skills, bleed, SnB line, etc. which all happen to work extremely well on stam sorc, esp. with the passives." Oh do they? And what passives do those work "extremely well" with?? Please let me know..

The whole point of what im saying kind of went over your head huh? Obviously we have access to those things. The point is that every class has access to the same things on top of many more skills and many more passives via class skills/passives. You seem to want to focus on shalks and ignore any comparison ive given to the ACTUAL skills and passives that warden or nightblade has..

And i dont think i said the class needed a burst skill? I think i said we just dont have one.. But It needs something more, thats for sure. Fracture is the main thing i think it deserves, among other things but ive said id be more than happy with that..

Now your last paragraph is the best.. First of all i see you want them to nerf wardens.. Because zos nerfing things always works so well.. But this really shows how out of touch you are.. You do not simply "roll from the shalks".. If that were the case you wouldnt see so many wardens.

Its the combo. Shalk - DB - spin.. Simple and extremely effective. Instantly kills plenty of people. And i have zero issue with it. But for you to try and compare hurricane to shalks is just a bad joke. And to be fair, i was comparing the classes. You and someone else decided to compare our only damage skill to shalks.

And since you are so stuck on wardens let me explain something to you... You said something about stam sorcs "cost reduction, regen, and passive damage increases".. Okay so we have 15% ulti cost reduction, 5% stam and 15% stam after we block an attack. We have no regen passives unless we slot bound armor... And then we have a 5% damage increase... Add 2% for each class skill slotted, but on a damage bar that will be like 2.. So call it 9% damage buff.. Are you telling me, that with no real class damage skills or ultimate's, we are in a better spot than wardens? lul

Wardens with the shalks, that give fracture? With minor berserk, major endurance, major expedition, the bull netch, 3% damage done for each animal companion ability slotted.. minor toughness, minor protection, major heroism, and even an ulti regen passive... and more. But one of the more important things that warden has, that makes it so strong, is healing. Healing passives, healing ultimate, even major savagery in a skill that heals you.. Major mending, a stamina burst heal, even a healing passive that restores a little stamina..

You really made a big issue out of nothing. My main post was pretty much saying, other classes have access to a lot more stamina skills and passives than stam sorcs. More buffs, debuffs, and damage skills and ultimates.. So stam sorc needs a buff. Fracture would be a great start and someday id like to see another damage skill of some kind, and maybe useful ultimate. If you could give a good argument i might listen to you, but you dont. If you can compare stamblade, or stamden, to stam sorc and say "that looks balanced" then theres a problem. If you want to talk about the strengths of stam sorc, then fine. But dont ignore the strengths of other classes and make up nonsense about what this class does have when it seems like you dont even know.

Hotdog_23 · December 2018

As been said several times in this thread stamsorc has terrible sustain compared to other stam classes now that Templar has a stam version of rune focus and repentance for all Templars that is prior to these 2 changes it was stamplars.

Undefwun · December 2018

Yeah passives could use a tweak and some sort of class spamable. just for identity purposes...

My stam sorc is my prob my fav.. but compare that to my magblade who uses predominately NB skills (like 9-10 out of the 12 slots)...

Oberstein · December 2018

Buff stamina but not sorc.

WeylandLabs · January 2019

The 9th nerf to a PvP Stam Sorc ( Smh ) who's keeping track ? I am becuase I only played one class and have over 8k hours on it.

Why do players hate this class so much to go out of there way to nerf it back into 2014, 2015. I'm just baffled by this as Stam Sorcs and Stam DKs have no real identity to the classes for 5+ years ? Placing a ground AOE "Hurricane" does not give it one or using Wings on a Dk. I'm disappointed to see Stam Sorcs in this current spot, I will be playing necro though.

But to play this class for 5 months in this state is awful.

ak_pvp · January 2019

Its fine. One of the higher deeps just stamNB, as usual, is too strong.

Aznox · January 2019

Loved my stamsorc since beta, and i'll have critsurge on my bar on the day where servers will shutdown