Sy1ph5 wrote: »

It's not that there aren't multiple ways you can clear content it's that if you're not doing your best you're eating other people's time. Some people are cool with wasting others time so they can have more fun. And some more respectable people play with like minded people when they play inefficient things.

Tanks buffing the group is how it is if you don't like it don't raid with groups that expect you to buff the group. The game isn't always the same as other MMOs and it's better for it.

Being mad about the style of play that other enjoy and have mastered because it doesn't conform to what you expected doesn't make the current style of tanking a design flaw.

I think issue op is talking about is they simply didn't want him using ice staff because in game there's heavy negative connotation against it. The ironic part I think nobody actually mention back bar ice staff is meta.

Tasear

Here is the other problem. Why should anyone have to explain a build to a group simply because the group of youtube builds majority (who really dont know how to design a build) simply because its not Youtube Build?

Legit Builders dont ask Youtube Build Users about theyre build or to explain it.

This doesnt sit right with me. Which is one of the reasons I dont run with people like that.

This seems so 1 sided

D0PAMINE wrote: »

JumpmanLane wrote: »

I respect Blob’s builds (I don’t and wouldn’t run them). But I see what he’s going for. I wouldn’t run Alcast’s PvP builds on a bet! I still got Gilliam’s updated Deltia build on my CRAFTER; but, after running into Gilliam in Cyrodill and watching what he was doing and who he was doing it WITH (ZERGING), I’m pretty sure I wouldn’t run Gilliam’s builds.

Again, I respect Blobs, because he explains HOW to theorycraft your own builds. I even respect Gilliam who refused to “spoon feed” his followers and encourages them to think for themselves. I respected Deltia because he was a great starting point. I respect Alcast because he was a great place to go after Deltia. YouTube Builds have a place. Yet, beyond a certain point...don’t run that! Lol.

KenaPKK had some dope NB builds in his old videos

I saw Kena once running around a rock and killed like 10 people lol. I saw him fighting one guy jumped in then apologized. Didn’t know if he was 1v1ing or not. He was like “Nah, it’s cool. I just came to play.” Man, I was soooo new. Kena was cool!

DjMuscleboy02 wrote: »

Alcast, Liko, and the like post the best in slot builds. There is no argument to be had, no discussion about the math needed. Does that mean that you absolutely have to run them? No, of course not. And if you ask any credible player, they will tell you that. However, if you are trying to push score in veteran trials then yes, you need that setup and there are no exceptions. Literally any other content, you can play however you want on whatever you want (to an extent....heavy armour 2h magdk is gonna be hot garbage no matter what you do...sorry.) I really don't know why this continues to be brought up. The people telling you that you have to run these builds in vet dungeons are just toxic.

As for the accusation that Hodor doesn't give actual builds, that's laughable. They give their optimal build, they do switch through the trial alot though. Maybe people should try messaging some of these players privately before throwing around insults. You'll find that a vast majority of players in top pve guilds are actually very nice people and have no problem answering questions.

While I think Alcast and others do have great intentions and do great work. They don't necessarily post meta or best in slot builds which is the point of OP. Sorry alcast to throw you under the bus, but alcast builds for non traditional roles aren't best in slot, though as point back at me long ago they are easier to use.

Lets come back to best in slot word that goes around. I know eyes are rolling, as I go on, but I do think it's important. So let me ask the question is best in slot for one person the same for everyone? What about that new player who is just learning how to play their class class and role? There are some sets designed just for them. There's also players who just having fun. I seen people do decent all pet builds (gear included). Now lets talk about the contrary point.

There's having fun then there's being a burden. How do we decide the difference?

Tasear wrote: »

DjMuscleboy02 wrote: »

Alcast, Liko, and the like post the best in slot builds. There is no argument to be had, no discussion about the math needed. Does that mean that you absolutely have to run them? No, of course not. And if you ask any credible player, they will tell you that. However, if you are trying to push score in veteran trials then yes, you need that setup and there are no exceptions. Literally any other content, you can play however you want on whatever you want (to an extent....heavy armour 2h magdk is gonna be hot garbage no matter what you do...sorry.) I really don't know why this continues to be brought up. The people telling you that you have to run these builds in vet dungeons are just toxic.

As for the accusation that Hodor doesn't give actual builds, that's laughable. They give their optimal build, they do switch through the trial alot though. Maybe people should try messaging some of these players privately before throwing around insults. You'll find that a vast majority of players in top pve guilds are actually very nice people and have no problem answering questions.

While I think Alcast and others do have great intentions and do great work. They don't necessarily post meta or best in slot builds which is the point of OP. Sorry alcast to throw you under the bus, but alcast builds for non traditional roles aren't best in slot, though as point back at me long ago they are easier to use.

Lets come back to best in slot word that goes around. I know eyes are rolling, as I go on, but I do think it's important. So let me ask the question is best in slot for one person the same for everyone? What about that new player who is just learning how to play their class class and role? There are some sets designed just for them. There's also players who just having fun. I seen people do decent all pet builds (gear included). Now lets talk about the contrary point.

There's having fun then there's being a burden. How do we decide the difference?

Best in Slot is meant for the role not for the player.

For example: Alkosh and Ebon are one of the best sets for tanking cause they offer a buff to the group from Ebon and a strong debuff on the boss with Alkosh.

These are not "Youtube Builds " its just a plattform where they get shared cause everyone has access to it.

If you want to be a frost tank with some special Snowflake setup cause you like it, sure, go for it. But dont expect to run with competetive Guilds on a progress run if you dont min max yourself.

Like Op with his Frost tank. Sounds like a fun Build but it doesnt provide everything a tank can do to the group with alkosh and Ebon. And if he only taunts with frost HA and inner fire where does the major fracture come from? pls dont say sub Assault.

trials really arnt the place for off typical builds. pvp its ok to experiment but when you hve 11 other players expecting things be done a specific way there isnt much room for that. its really the same way with every build trials wise. your expected to do things for the group

dps is suppose to do as much dps as possible and throw out any buffs they can as long as it doesnt compromise dps

healers are suppose to heal, provide whatever theyre calling spc buff, major ward/ resolve, breech and mag regen from ele, synergies from orbs for dps, and shards for tank to proc alkaosh

tanks expected to have alkosh, torugs with infused crushing enchant, major fracture and taunt and tho it has calmed down a bit tank is also suppose to run engulfing

off heals are power of the light

of tanks ebon

not being the default set up means other players have to compensate for you. even if you were taunting and not dying you were missing out on the major fracture and engulfing. because you werent using puncture and your not a dk.

not having that fracture is a major hit to the stam dps, even with the base 4 stam dps set up thats like 20k off the group dps. if you have a group that was expecting players to have 40k dps or even 35k dps and one of the damage dealers had 20k or 15k dps they wouldnt let them in either. essentially by not having that fracture you were making the group run with 7/8 dps. and thats if they only had 4 stam dps


gotta look at it like this. even if you do a great job at your role its not about just your role. your part of a group and have to benefit them too

not trying to sound like an elitist jerk either because im not. but if i jump in a pug tho before i even get grouped i tell whoever is asking that ive only got 33k dps or on my healer that i dont have olorime but have spc so they can decide if they are ok with that. I just think its important and respectful to let those other 11 players decide if thats cool with them for the run. The players in your case reaction was mean and over the top but if you dont have what they are looking for and join without telling them that you cant just expect and force them to run with that

WildWilbur wrote: »

The good old "I make a thread about me being sooo cool and spam it with my own posts" for all the precious stars beside my name!

Quick, OP, respond 3-4 times to my post!

Nah I think the geniuely are expressing something they are finding concern if we other thread and posts. Actually it's been awhile since I seen any true farmers of forum rank.... I think I am kinda disappointed about this different matter.