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Snipe is a sick joke
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Tan9oSuccka✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭arun_rajputb16_ESO wrote: »I never use snipe but I'm fine with it. There are other abilities that hit really hard too. It's the nature of it. It all balances out - radiant oppression, subterranean, nb ultimate (can't remember the name), mages fury, etc... They all hit hard if used in the right way.
The fact that the name of the "nb ultimate" isn't seared into your memory from the amount of times it appears in your death recap tells me you haven't spent enough time in Cyrodiil to develop a seething hatred for Snipe.
Incap is still super dirty.
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Toc de Malsvi✭✭✭✭✭
✭I have two stamblades but never used it as I felt it quite useless. Think I'll pick it up and mess around in cryo laterI have two stamblades but never used it as I felt it quite useless. Think I'll pick it up and mess around in cryo later
It's a bit of an oddity as it is a bit useless in a normal fight, but if you just cloak and use it to plunk at someone already fighting, or as a gank opener, where you can safely cloak 40 m away ; its game over for some and low risk
Hmmm maybe on second thought I won't bother. Since 90% of my time is pve I dumped cloak, and again snipe for me (in pve) wasn't worth it. Still, very tempted to try that out to see how it works out. I mean I'm horrible at pvp so it would be interesting at how things would work out for me
@Thogard posted a video of it in battle grounds. He is a top tier pvper, yes; but it get pretty obvious he doesn't have to even tap into any skills at that at all. Cyrodiil will be a little different as you will have to know where to go without getting ganked yourself as someone who might show they dont know what they are doing with a large area to cover, but that's certainly not rocket science
Snipe is problematic to balance in its current form. And there are some bugs that Snipe serves to highlight with respect to PVP.
But that video is a joke, those players in the video are garbage and failed to dent his Snipe-Blade when given 3-5 seconds of burn. You could as easily build a WB, CF, DarkFlare spam build and have the exact same success with that competition.Legendary Archer of ValenwoodBosmer Dragon Knight Archer. XBox One. (Flawless Conqueror Bow/Bow)Bosmer Nightblade Archer. Xbox One. (Flawless Conqueror Bow/Bow)Bosmer Sorcerer Archer. Xbox One. (Flawless Conqueror Bow/Bow)Bosmer Warden Archer. Xbox One. (Flawless Conqueror Bow/Bow)Templar's are evil..3 -
nuttytom✭✭✭✭I have a sniper and is glass cannon. Many of the times my shots will be evaded or absorbed, but if I get to hit you, then is gonna hurt like hell. You just need to turn on me to kill me, but if you don't then you have a l2p issue.
Bro it's mostly nightblades that use this from stealth, making it crit most of the time. Also most of the time there is more than one person around me using it lol. But yea once you catch a snipe spammer out of stealth, they normally are an incredibly easy kill 😉1 -
Skander✭✭✭✭✭
✭Why dark flare is not a iusse when snipe is?
Simple. Snipe does even more damageI meme, but my memes are so truthful they hurt
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Want competitive pvp while being outnumbered? Tough luck, the devs clearly said you have to die in those situations2 -
technohic✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Toc de Malsvi wrote: »I have two stamblades but never used it as I felt it quite useless. Think I'll pick it up and mess around in cryo laterI have two stamblades but never used it as I felt it quite useless. Think I'll pick it up and mess around in cryo later
It's a bit of an oddity as it is a bit useless in a normal fight, but if you just cloak and use it to plunk at someone already fighting, or as a gank opener, where you can safely cloak 40 m away ; its game over for some and low risk
Hmmm maybe on second thought I won't bother. Since 90% of my time is pve I dumped cloak, and again snipe for me (in pve) wasn't worth it. Still, very tempted to try that out to see how it works out. I mean I'm horrible at pvp so it would be interesting at how things would work out for me
@Thogard posted a video of it in battle grounds. He is a top tier pvper, yes; but it get pretty obvious he doesn't have to even tap into any skills at that at all. Cyrodiil will be a little different as you will have to know where to go without getting ganked yourself as someone who might show they dont know what they are doing with a large area to cover, but that's certainly not rocket science
Snipe is problematic to balance in its current form. And there are some bugs that Snipe serves to highlight with respect to PVP.
But that video is a joke, those players in the video are garbage and failed to dent his Snipe-Blade when given 3-5 seconds of burn. You could as easily build a WB, CF, DarkFlare spam build and have the exact same success with that competition.
Had good players been there, lord forbid that he would have to put the chicken wing down and cloak out before people knew where he was sniping from.
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joseayalac✭✭✭✭✭
✭Wardens can absorb it and gain Major Heroism, DKs can reflect it to the face, Templars can purge the debuff...
It feels only natural that Sorcs (Mages) wearing light armor get wrecked by an Assassin. And Sorcs have the best mobility in game to counter this...
I think it's totally a L2P issue... leave Snipe as it is! Just nerf the Cloak morph that makes it crit every damn time.0 -
Kidgangster101✭✭✭✭✭
✭DivineFirstYOLO wrote: »Ye snipe is a very balanced skill
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@Qbiken are you naked in that picture? - cause:
https://imgur.com/a/L15rsiW
(i know i know it's on a skellington)Lower the dmg of snipe but make it a guaranteed critical hit. The non cloaked peoples will see a slight dmg increase but the NBs using cloak to force crits will see a dmg decrease.
This would be such a good move!
Look at the buffs. Qbiken is in a PVP area, so damage is halved due to Battle Spirit
Even at half that's over 40k DPS in no time at all lol just saying snipe spam is a problem. Much like those drain poisons they are cancer to the game and should have never been implimented.0 -
Austinseph1✭✭✭✭✭There will always be a skill that is overpowered, I’ve come to accept that pvp that is too balanced is just boring. I’ve played games like that and it just doesn’t inspire. One player uses the skill and gets kills and feels good, one player is more skilled and can get kills without it. MMO’s go through seasons and eventually it gets a nerf then there will be another snipe and people will adapt to it.0 -
Aurielle✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Kidgangster101 wrote: »DivineFirstYOLO wrote: »Ye snipe is a very balanced skill
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@Qbiken are you naked in that picture? - cause:
https://imgur.com/a/L15rsiW
(i know i know it's on a skellington)Lower the dmg of snipe but make it a guaranteed critical hit. The non cloaked peoples will see a slight dmg increase but the NBs using cloak to force crits will see a dmg decrease.
This would be such a good move!
Look at the buffs. Qbiken is in a PVP area, so damage is halved due to Battle Spirit
Even at half that's over 40k DPS in no time at all lol just saying snipe spam is a problem. Much like those drain poisons they are cancer to the game and should have never been implimented.
I wasn’t responding to you? The person I quoted posted a skeleton dummy Onslaught gank parse and asked if Qbiken was “naked” (implying that the damage in Qbiken’s Snipe parse was low compared to his Onslaught gank). I simply pointed out that a live parse in Cyrodiil is always going to be lower than a dummy parse in someone’s house due to Battle Spirit (and other things like crit resist, mitigation, etc).
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Defilted✭✭✭✭✭
✭I had some gankers at Alessia bridge try to snipe me and I was able to hear it coming and dodge most of it just yesterday. You need to tweak your game sound with headphones that allow for that and you can hear it easily.
For the record I do not care what is done with Snipe. Most of the time unless it is zerg on zerg type battle I can dodge most of the damage. In the zerg fight I will get hit by it frequently becasue it is much harder to hear with all the other sounds going on.XBOX NA
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Juhasow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭All snipe needs is something like streak, cast this action in a span of 10 seconds, cost is doubled and the initial cost needs to be raised.
Problem solved
That would make it useless in PvE. Not that many people use it in PvE, but i do see the occasional bow only build while doing dungeons.
Snipe is already useless in pve? Dont know any decent builds (that hit over 40k) that uses snipe
Fact that You dont know something doesnt mean that thing doesnt exist. You can hit up to 50k selfbuffed with snipe rotation on every class. Bow/bow setup is not that far from magicka setups when it comes to DPS. People just choose to run dw/bow because it's meta and deals more dmg while it's easier to maintain in most situations.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QeXNTEru-U 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zX9L5tmT_fc Edited by Juhasow on December 19, 2018 6:44PM2 -
Number_51✭✭✭✭✭Fleeing is a perfectly valid tactic if you wander into a tough situation. Find or craft better gear, use skill points, or level up a bit more, then come back to fight another day.3 -
Juhasow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭joseayalac wrote: »Wardens can absorb it and gain Major Heroism, DKs can reflect it to the face, Templars can purge the debuff...
It feels only natural that Sorcs (Mages) wearing light armor get wrecked by an Assassin. And Sorcs have the best mobility in game to counter this...
I think it's totally a L2P issue... leave Snipe as it is! Just nerf the Cloak morph that makes it crit every damn time.
Just one snipe consumes almost full value of warden shimmering shield and poisons statu effect with major defile are getting applied , dks cannot reflect snipe from hide which allows for ganks even on them , snipe cost under 3k when purge and BoL both costs ~4k guess who'll run out of resources 1st. When 1 hard hitting brainlesly spammed ability pushes people so hard into defense they can barely leave it and while they manage to do it attacker will just dissapear , resposition , regain resources and return to repeat ganking procces something isnt right. Natural situation would be if assasin trying to kill anyone with his combo would be instantly dead when failing. Unfortunetly it's differently in ESO PvP where assasins have one of the biggest get away free cards in MMOs while playing low risk high reward playstyles.Edited by Juhasow on December 20, 2018 6:37AM1 -
Juhasow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Solution is pretty simple. Lower the cost , lower the dmg , remove cast time. Make it regular isnatnt cast spammable like cliff racer on stamden is. This way burst combos wont be possible to create because ability wont have high dmg tooltip and global cooldown will prevent casting other abilities instantly after 1st cast of snipe.
Major defile also needs some rework because high damage spammable ability with that debuff goes against general idea of major defile ZoS had when they were nerfing sources of major defile. Nerfs to other abilities and sets with defile were literally a buff to lethal arrow.Edited by Juhasow on December 19, 2018 9:28PM3 -
JumpmanLane✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I LOVE snipe! I kill people with it all the time...Well...they kill THEMSELVES with it! WINGS!3 -
Thogard✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Toc de Malsvi wrote: »I have two stamblades but never used it as I felt it quite useless. Think I'll pick it up and mess around in cryo laterI have two stamblades but never used it as I felt it quite useless. Think I'll pick it up and mess around in cryo later
It's a bit of an oddity as it is a bit useless in a normal fight, but if you just cloak and use it to plunk at someone already fighting, or as a gank opener, where you can safely cloak 40 m away ; its game over for some and low risk
Hmmm maybe on second thought I won't bother. Since 90% of my time is pve I dumped cloak, and again snipe for me (in pve) wasn't worth it. Still, very tempted to try that out to see how it works out. I mean I'm horrible at pvp so it would be interesting at how things would work out for me
@Thogard posted a video of it in battle grounds. He is a top tier pvper, yes; but it get pretty obvious he doesn't have to even tap into any skills at that at all. Cyrodiil will be a little different as you will have to know where to go without getting ganked yourself as someone who might show they dont know what they are doing with a large area to cover, but that's certainly not rocket science
Snipe is problematic to balance in its current form. And there are some bugs that Snipe serves to highlight with respect to PVP.
But that video is a joke, those players in the video are garbage and failed to dent his Snipe-Blade when given 3-5 seconds of burn. You could as easily build a WB, CF, DarkFlare spam build and have the exact same success with that competition.
No, those builds would not be comprable because those builds do not have cloak.
Glass cannon gameplay only works with cloak + range.PC NA - @dazkt - Dazk Ardoonkt / Sir Thogalot / Dask Dragoh’t / Dazk Dragoh’t / El Thogardo
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Toc de Malsvi✭✭✭✭✭
✭Toc de Malsvi wrote: »I have two stamblades but never used it as I felt it quite useless. Think I'll pick it up and mess around in cryo laterI have two stamblades but never used it as I felt it quite useless. Think I'll pick it up and mess around in cryo later
It's a bit of an oddity as it is a bit useless in a normal fight, but if you just cloak and use it to plunk at someone already fighting, or as a gank opener, where you can safely cloak 40 m away ; its game over for some and low risk
Hmmm maybe on second thought I won't bother. Since 90% of my time is pve I dumped cloak, and again snipe for me (in pve) wasn't worth it. Still, very tempted to try that out to see how it works out. I mean I'm horrible at pvp so it would be interesting at how things would work out for me
@Thogard posted a video of it in battle grounds. He is a top tier pvper, yes; but it get pretty obvious he doesn't have to even tap into any skills at that at all. Cyrodiil will be a little different as you will have to know where to go without getting ganked yourself as someone who might show they dont know what they are doing with a large area to cover, but that's certainly not rocket science
Snipe is problematic to balance in its current form. And there are some bugs that Snipe serves to highlight with respect to PVP.
But that video is a joke, those players in the video are garbage and failed to dent his Snipe-Blade when given 3-5 seconds of burn. You could as easily build a WB, CF, DarkFlare spam build and have the exact same success with that competition.
No, those builds would not be comprable because those builds do not have cloak.
Glass cannon gameplay only works with cloak + range.
Against semi decent players I agree, versus the players in your video I have to reassert my previous statement.Legendary Archer of ValenwoodBosmer Dragon Knight Archer. XBox One. (Flawless Conqueror Bow/Bow)Bosmer Nightblade Archer. Xbox One. (Flawless Conqueror Bow/Bow)Bosmer Sorcerer Archer. Xbox One. (Flawless Conqueror Bow/Bow)Bosmer Warden Archer. Xbox One. (Flawless Conqueror Bow/Bow)Templar's are evil..1 -
JumpmanLane✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭dwemer_paleologist wrote: »stop trying to destroy snipe
stop trying to destroy our ranged playstyle every single day making request threads to destroy archer playstyle.
nothing wrong with what we have, its been here since 5+ years.
this is really childish and selfish.
Archer? Lol.1 -
nuttytom✭✭✭✭dwemer_paleologist wrote: »stop trying to destroy snipe
stop trying to destroy our ranged playstyle every single day making request threads to destroy archer playstyle.
nothing wrong with what we have, its been here since 5+ years.
this is really childish and selfish.
Archer playstyle? You mean sitting in stealth and pressing 1 button to stun people and deal a ridiculous amount of damage? Lol2 -
Katahdin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭dwemer_paleologist wrote: »stop trying to destroy snipe
stop trying to destroy our ranged playstyle every single day making request threads to destroy archer playstyle.
nothing wrong with what we have, its been here since 5+ years.
this is really childish and selfish.
Archer playstyle? You mean sitting in stealth and pressing 1 button to stun people and deal a ridiculous amount of damage? Lol
You mean ranged playstyle like anyone with a destro staff sitting in the back of a zerg stunning people with crushing shock or CCing them with flame reach or stunning with shock reach and doing rediculous amounts of damage? LOL
We can do exactly what you propose to all desto staff skills. Remove any and all CC and half the damage
Then you too can "fight like a man" in heavy armor and a 2 hander
In fact lets go further while we are at it, shall we? ,Lets remove all stuns, CCS, roots, snares, time stop and negate.
.Edited by Katahdin on December 20, 2018 2:38AMBeta tester November 20133 -
omgiztim✭✭✭I have a sniper and is glass cannon. Many of the times my shots will be evaded or absorbed, but if I get to hit you, then is gonna hurt like hell. You just need to turn on me to kill me, but if you don't then you have a l2p issue.
What a strategy I should have turned on the guy sitting 40m away pressing 1 button over and over again. All while pressured by multiple people actually playing the game in a dynamic and interesting manner. Snipe is a boring skill that specifically adversely affects interesting skill based combat and encourages braindead button spamming.
A skilled archer will not spam snipe as it is not very effective overall due to its slowness and chances of missing. The spammers may be trouble for a tank build fighting others but easy pickings for others in the area.
The sniper is the counter/balance to a tank build and does have a place in this game.1 -
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Slack✭✭✭✭✭Hallothiel wrote: »If we are going to complain about things in pvp, snipe is way down on my list (& yes play a stamblade 😉) but then I don’t gank with it from stealth.
I hate bloody jabby-jabby-oh-look-my-health-is-replenished-whilst-you-are-dying Templars.
LOL, play a magplar
When a templar heals all up by spamming Sweeps and kills you with it, you are doing something wrongEdited by Slack on December 20, 2018 3:10AMPC EU
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Sy1ph5✭✭✭✭I have a sniper and is glass cannon. Many of the times my shots will be evaded or absorbed, but if I get to hit you, then is gonna hurt like hell. You just need to turn on me to kill me, but if you don't then you have a l2p issue.
What a strategy I should have turned on the guy sitting 40m away pressing 1 button over and over again. All while pressured by multiple people actually playing the game in a dynamic and interesting manner. Snipe is a boring skill that specifically adversely affects interesting skill based combat and encourages braindead button spamming.
A skilled archer will not spam snipe as it is not very effective overall due to its slowness and chances of missing. The spammers may be trouble for a tank build fighting others but easy pickings for others in the area.
The sniper is the counter/balance to a tank build and does have a place in this game.
Your clearly wrong snipe is not meant to be a counter to tank builds and does absolutely nothing to to them. Skilled archer is just a lol. Maintaining distance with cloak shade and draining shot post speed nerfs is so easy to border on braindead. Snipe isn't an anti tank skill. It's an anti fun and lacks counterplay. Snipe overperforms when you outnumber your opponent and underpeforms when you don't. It's a poorly balanced skill that doesn't belong in the current state of the game.1
