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Way of Fire or Shadow of the Red Mountain, or both?
teladoy
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These sets are exactly the same, just that one comes in medium and the other in heavy. I play principally BGs and i would like to know if it can be recommended use both sets or only one. What is your point of view of it?
Way of Fire Set
LEVEL 50 CHAMPION 160
(2 items) Adds 129 Weapon Damage
(3 items) Adds 1096 Maximum Stamina
(4 items) Adds 833 Weapon Critical
(5 items) When you deal damage with a Weapon ability, you have a 20% chance to deal an additional 4000 Flame Damage. This effect can occur once every 2 seconds.
Shadow of the Red Mountain Set
LEVEL 50 CHAMPION 160
(2 items) Adds 129 Weapon Damage
(3 items) Adds 1096 Max Stamina
(4 items) Adds 833 Weapon Critical
(5 items) When you deal damage with a Weapon ability, you have a 10% chance to spawn a volcano that erupts after 1 second and fires a projectile at the nearest enemy that deals 8400 Flame Damage. This effect can occur once every 2 seconds.
Way of Fire Set
LEVEL 50 CHAMPION 160
(2 items) Adds 129 Weapon Damage
(3 items) Adds 1096 Maximum Stamina
(4 items) Adds 833 Weapon Critical
(5 items) When you deal damage with a Weapon ability, you have a 20% chance to deal an additional 4000 Flame Damage. This effect can occur once every 2 seconds.
Shadow of the Red Mountain Set
LEVEL 50 CHAMPION 160
(2 items) Adds 129 Weapon Damage
(3 items) Adds 1096 Max Stamina
(4 items) Adds 833 Weapon Critical
(5 items) When you deal damage with a Weapon ability, you have a 10% chance to spawn a volcano that erupts after 1 second and fires a projectile at the nearest enemy that deals 8400 Flame Damage. This effect can occur once every 2 seconds.
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Gnozo✭✭✭✭✭
✭Both can be used actually. Red mountain has a delay on the damage and can be dodged. Also lower proc rate but more damage.
I would choose way of fire i guess since proc chance is higher and the damage cant be dodged.1 -
Raudgrani✭✭✭✭✭
✭Tried both and Valkyn Skoria. It kind of works. Not any insane damage as it's elemental, and you are probably a stamina character. But it sure makes people rolldodge a lot. That setup is completely broken "proc wise", all three sets proc from dots. So you can basically shoot a light attack arrow (at least if you have a fire enchant or whatever), and have all three sets come raining down at the same time. I tried putting some points into Elemental Expert, and it turned up the damage a bit. But it's still not that impressive. Fun and different, but I guess there are other ways to go.0 -
Ahzek✭✭✭✭✭
✭Both are pretty mediocre sets nowadays. I would not recommend running both, since you will enevitabely run out of resources quite fast in BGs without sustain sets.
As for which set is stronger i would recommend red mountain over way of fire simply because it is mich more impactful. If you want to run a setup with a lot of weapon based hits (DoTs and/or flurry) you will be better of with red mountain DPS wise because both sets have a 2 second cooldown. If you want to run a setup with fewer hits (low slash or uppercut) you will still want red mountain because it is much more damage to compliment your burst.Jo'Khaljor1 -
Ragnarock41✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭If you're gonna use weapon abilities a lot, then red mountain. Much higher damage and that matters even if it procs a lot less.0 -
WuffyCerulei✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Viper and Old Red Mountain set flashbacks
If you're wondering why I said that, Viper and Red Mountain used to be unavoidable direct damage rather than a DoT (Viper) or a dodge-able projectile (Red Mountain) are today.
Anyways, it depends on your build. Fire could be used if you wanna use a heavy armor build, have higher health, or plan on transmuting the jewels. Red mountain is dodge-able, but it also is in medium armor and deals more damage."Buzz Lightyear toy isle shot" Stormcalling/Animal Companions/Assassination PVP build hater
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Raudgrani✭✭✭✭✭
✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »If you're gonna use weapon abilities a lot, then red mountain. Much higher damage and that matters even if it procs a lot less.
No need, honestly. It's completely broken and procs from literally everything. Same goes for Red Mountain. The damage is really low though (on Way of Fire), so anything like even Viper would be better.0 -
Ragnarock41✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »If you're gonna use weapon abilities a lot, then red mountain. Much higher damage and that matters even if it procs a lot less.
No need, honestly. It's completely broken and procs from literally everything. Same goes for Red Mountain. The damage is really low though (on Way of Fire), so anything like even Viper would be better.
No-CP was always a proc infested hell but honestly red mountain is in a much healthier spot compared to something like skoria or zaan. That being said Its suprising how often people choose viper over red mountain, I think RM is a lot more bursty and viper as a front bar set makes no sense when you can have master dual wield instead.(I'm comparing those especially because I see so many people running dual wield viper)
I think instead of comparing red mountain with the way of fire, people should compare it to poisonous serpent, Which is a much better set imho and Its fantastic on a stamina Dk.Edited by Ragnarock41 on December 17, 2018 12:39PM1 -
Raudgrani✭✭✭✭✭
✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »If you're gonna use weapon abilities a lot, then red mountain. Much higher damage and that matters even if it procs a lot less.
No need, honestly. It's completely broken and procs from literally everything. Same goes for Red Mountain. The damage is really low though (on Way of Fire), so anything like even Viper would be better.
No-CP was always a proc infested hell but honestly red mountain is in a much healthier spot compared to something like skoria or zaan. That being said Its suprising how often people choose viper over red mountain, I think RM is a lot more bursty and viper as a front bar set makes no sense when you can have master dual wield instead.(I'm comparing those especially because I see so many people running dual wield viper)
I think instead of comparing red mountain with the way of fire, people should compare it to poisonous serpent, Which is a much better set imho and Its fantastic on a stamina Dk.
Best thing about Red Mountain imo, is honestly that people will instinctively "Hahaaaa! I dodge your silly volcano, noob!". People not ready to rolldodge all the time will lose a lot of stamina. And if you have Skoria on, some will try to rolldodge that too as they seem to mix the sounds/visuals up.0 -
Ragnarock41✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »If you're gonna use weapon abilities a lot, then red mountain. Much higher damage and that matters even if it procs a lot less.
No need, honestly. It's completely broken and procs from literally everything. Same goes for Red Mountain. The damage is really low though (on Way of Fire), so anything like even Viper would be better.
No-CP was always a proc infested hell but honestly red mountain is in a much healthier spot compared to something like skoria or zaan. That being said Its suprising how often people choose viper over red mountain, I think RM is a lot more bursty and viper as a front bar set makes no sense when you can have master dual wield instead.(I'm comparing those especially because I see so many people running dual wield viper)
I think instead of comparing red mountain with the way of fire, people should compare it to poisonous serpent, Which is a much better set imho and Its fantastic on a stamina Dk.
Best thing about Red Mountain imo, is honestly that people will instinctively "Hahaaaa! I dodge your silly volcano, noob!". People not ready to rolldodge all the time will lose a lot of stamina. And if you have Skoria on, some will try to rolldodge that too as they seem to mix the sounds/visuals up.
Yeah, skoria-red mountain is an especially dangerous combo because so often you dodge roll into a skoria proc followed by a steel nado, and that with a few dot ticks will seal your fate most of the time. I think one disadvantage of the proc setups are the absolute garbage sustain, which is not even a problem anymore because of jewelrycrafting.
Fengrush in his last build uses 3 infused cost reduction glyphs and that is not a coincidence, its a very smart choice to get the maximum use out of red mountain. He spams abilities all the time and doesn't run out of sustain,despite having so low max stamina and stam regen and I think that might be the best way of getting the most out of red mountain.Edited by Ragnarock41 on December 17, 2018 1:26PM0 -
Emmagoldman✭✭✭✭✭
✭Ive ran both on my stamdk for a year and it works well but you will need to build into it and go lower dmg with reduced costs for bgs. I went with medium and two heavy bloodspawn
Both sets proc off of weapon dmg. To be optimized, you must build around weapon dmg. I suggest rendering slash (probably a must) as each dot dmg counts as wpn dmg.
Also, blade cloak with either morph is also strong as it will help proc each set and you can go for major expedition. in fact it will passively proc the set, so rven if you are on defense, you can still put offenseive damage.
then its a choice between flury which hits multiple times and spin to win. I havent tried spin to win but I eod imagine it does well
notes on furry, rendering can snare and you can use the morph for quick cloak that grants major expedition, so you have a better chance to connect all the hits of flurry, dramatically increasing the rate these sets proc
On backbar, either two hand for rally and execute or if you have bow, poison inj. and draining shot as you would need to heal. poison inject is a wpn abikity, so stacking 2 wpn dots with rendering and with cloak and furry should keep huge uptime.
Also, being fire dmg it will hit vamps harder
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teladoy✭✭✭✭✭Emmagoldman wrote: »Ive ran both on my stamdk for a year and it works well but you will need to build into it and go lower dmg with reduced costs for bgs. I went with medium and two heavy bloodspawn
Both sets proc off of weapon dmg. To be optimized, you must build around weapon dmg. I suggest rendering slash (probably a must) as each dot dmg counts as wpn dmg.
Also, blade cloak with either morph is also strong as it will help proc each set and you can go for major expedition. in fact it will passively proc the set, so rven if you are on defense, you can still put offenseive damage.
then its a choice between flury which hits multiple times and spin to win. I havent tried spin to win but I eod imagine it does well
notes on furry, rendering can snare and you can use the morph for quick cloak that grants major expedition, so you have a better chance to connect all the hits of flurry, dramatically increasing the rate these sets proc
On backbar, either two hand for rally and execute or if you have bow, poison inj. and draining shot as you would need to heal. poison inject is a wpn abikity, so stacking 2 wpn dots with rendering and with cloak and furry should keep huge uptime.
Also, being fire dmg it will hit vamps harder
Wait a second... Quick cloack major expedition makes the sets proc? How? You mean the damage it does every 3 seconds right?0 -
StytchFingal✭✭✭
Wait a second... Quick cloack major expedition makes the sets proc? How? You mean the damage it does every 3 seconds right?
Yes, Rm and Way of the Fire are not procced by Dots per se as someone claimed earlier in the thread, but by weapon abilities. So every use of direct damage weapon abilities and every damage tick from weapon ability DoTs---Volley/Hail/Barrage, Poison Injection, Acid Spray, Blade Cloak, Brawler etc---have a chance to proc those sets, as do light and heavy attacks.0 -
trowlk✭✭✭✭Personally, I use Sunderflame set which always applies a 4000 fire damage on heavy attacks while it also reduce their defenses.
Red Mountain is more flashy, procs faster deals more damage than Way of the Fire.
Valkyn Skoria Monster Set matches very well with these sets.
I advice you to enchant your weapon with Crusher to increase both your set procs and your stamina base abilities. The Lover Mundus Stone stacks with it too!
Fire Damage is specially useful on Dragonknights and extra powerful with Dark Elves.
If you want to have a competitive "fire" Stamina character, this is the best way.0 -
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✭✭✭I always thought Way of Fire might suit a Force Shock build, what with the short cooldown and presumably 4 proc chances per GCD (3 from Force Shock, one from light attack). Yeah, I know it's a stam set.
I think some stamsorcs wear Viper because of the 2 crit bonuses, e.g. to improve Crit Surge proc chance. Sloads has got to be better in general, right? I think it literally has twice the damage, per tick, against a typical PvP target.0 -
Emmagoldman✭✭✭✭✭
✭StytchFingal wrote: »
Wait a second... Quick cloack major expedition makes the sets proc? How? You mean the damage it does every 3 seconds right?
Yes, Rm and Way of the Fire are not procced by Dots per se as someone claimed earlier in the thread, but by weapon abilities. So every use of direct damage weapon abilities and every damage tick from weapon ability DoTs---Volley/Hail/Barrage, Poison Injection, Acid Spray, Blade Cloak, Brawler etc---have a chance to proc those sets, as do light and heavy attacks.
That covers it!
@teladoy If you go for this set up, you must center it on wpn dmg. Meaning any weapon ability. So if you are running a nb and wanting to ambush, suprise attack, its not going to proc it.
There are other options besides way of the fire. Good thing is its a cheap set, so its fine to try out.0