Merlin13KAGL wrote: »It was done that way to keep it from being OP af. You don't get to get the resources back and the passive stats in addition to.
You choose if it's worth it based on positioning and stats, vs same positioning + Battle Roar.
Merlin13KAGL wrote: »Getting full resources back from previous timeframe + BS passive stats on top of that? How would that not be OP af?
It's working as intended. If you want to get down to technicality on it:
- You Ult
- You gets stats from battle spirit.
- Stats get reverted to previous time, because that's what that ult does.
It's the very reason you have to choose if it's worth it to use at any given time. You can even revert back to lower stats than you currently have if you use it wrong.
You don't get to get the benefit of both aspects. Battle Spirit is already very strong as it is.
Your proposed mechanic would not require choice (there would be zero potential downside), except for the positioning. It would be a significant stat return almost every single time on a DK.
I will say, while the ult itself is not favorable with DK passives, having Temporal Guard backbarred is a pretty good route to go for defense. The Minor Protection is pretty solid.
@jaws343
Yeah youre right. I hadnt tested it out in a controlled environment before, just did and youre absolutely right.
Would you also happen to know if this is just an oversight or they purposefully did this knowing it would disadvantage dks wanting to run the ult.
@Merlin13KAGL
How is this OP af?
Ive seen this argument swing by a couple of times but no1 ever seemed to have a logical explanation as to why.
Merlin13KAGL wrote: »Getting full resources back from previous timeframe + BS passive stats on top of that? How would that not be OP af?
Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »There is president of ultis not procing other things, look at how many sets do not work with overload.
Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »There is president of ultis not procing other things, look at how many sets do not work with overload.
President Trump? Nah on a more serious note.
It doesnt matter if theres a precedent or not. Its not about the rarity of ults not proccing stuff that should be procced. Im just looking for some kind of official explanation as to why its so in this case.
Did you even read what I said??Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »There is president of ultis not procing other things, look at how many sets do not work with overload.
President Trump? Nah on a more serious note.
It doesnt matter if theres a precedent or not. Its not about the rarity of ults not proccing stuff that should be procced. Im just looking for some kind of official explanation as to why its so in this case.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/412837/undo-and-battle-roar/p1
this was brought up during the pts, you are not the first one to think it should act different then it does. i stand by my comment. Some things are just not going to work.
DK's having built in resource return on every other ultimate does not somehow equate to a single dysfunctional ultimate, especially when half of that ultimate's purpose is all about returning to a prior state of resource.Merlin13KAGL wrote: »Getting full resources back from previous timeframe + BS passive stats on top of that? How would that not be OP af?
In the same way battle roar combined with any other ultimate effect is not OP af.
Merlin13KAGL wrote: »
Allowing Battle Roar to work with this would make it obviously stronger on DK's vs any other class.
Merlin13KAGL wrote: »It also would effectively defeat the function of the ult.
Merlin13KAGL wrote: »It does, in fact, work the same for DK as for any other class.
Clearly that's what the Devs determined, yeah. Apparently they decided for this one ult it would be too much. Again, with any other ult, resource return is a side effect. With this ult, it effectively amplifies the effect of the Ult. They wanted it to be a choice.Merlin13KAGL wrote: »
Allowing Battle Roar to work with this would make it obviously stronger on DK's vs any other class.
Every ultimate is obviously stronger on DK's vs any other class, that's my point.
Leap does great damage and restores resources. Magma makes the DK near unkillable and restores resources. Those are fine.
But an ultimate that resets your character (which may or may not be helpful) and restores resources would somehow be unacceptably overpovered compared to the two above? Please.
Merlin13KAGL wrote: »Clearly that's what the Devs determined, yeah. Apparently they decided for this one ult it would be too much. Again, with any other ult, resource return is a side effect. With this ult, it effectively amplifies the effect of the Ult. They wanted it to be a choice.Merlin13KAGL wrote: »
Allowing Battle Roar to work with this would make it obviously stronger on DK's vs any other class.
Every ultimate is obviously stronger on DK's vs any other class, that's my point.
Leap does great damage and restores resources. Magma makes the DK near unkillable and restores resources. Those are fine.
But an ultimate that resets your character (which may or may not be helpful) and restores resources would somehow be unacceptably overpovered compared to the two above? Please.