Are we being punished for paying?

Ramalamafizzfaj · December 2018

This past couple of months has been a bit of a joke for subscribers in my opinion. Last month there was 7 days of free ESO + for which ESO + subscribers were not offered an equivalent alternative reward. Then they gave murkmire DLC away, making my subscription a little less valuable. Then they let people play for free for a week, with again no equivalent reward for ESO + subscribers or people who had already bought the game.

And what have they done for subscribers? an extra 150 crowns per month. That's actually such a small amount it's an insult.

MLGProPlayer · December 2018

I agree that ESO+ needs to be sweetened.

They need to give at least 2000 crown with the sub. Otherwise, you're better off not subbing and just buying crowns on sale.

I haven't subbed in over a year since the value just isn't there for me.

ProfessorKittyhawk · December 2018

Access to the craft bag is more than enough to me. And still having access to the other dlcs is nice too. Those are things the trial members only get a taste of. They continue to add other little perks to sweeten the deal of being a subscriber. May not be much but it's something.

Ramalamafizzfaj · December 2018

ProfessorKittyhawk wrote: »

Access to the craft bag is more than enough to me. And still having access to the other dlcs is nice too. Those are things the trial members only get a taste of. They continue to add other little perks to sweeten the deal of being a subscriber. May not be much but it's something.

Yeah, but you're missing the point.
I pay for this, and get less benefit than a free player.

Abigail · December 2018

We got two itsy bitsy statues most of us will never use ... but I'm grateful.

Ramalamafizzfaj · December 2018

Abigail wrote: »

... but I'm grateful.

this

Hippie4927 · December 2018

Ramalamafizzfaj wrote: »

ProfessorKittyhawk wrote: »

Access to the craft bag is more than enough to me. And still having access to the other dlcs is nice too. Those are things the trial members only get a taste of. They continue to add other little perks to sweeten the deal of being a subscriber. May not be much but it's something.

Yeah, but you're missing the point.
I pay for this, and get less benefit than a free player.

You get a lot more than a 'free player'. You get all the DLC's, the craft bag, double bank space, double housing slots, crowns, XP , free statuettes, and whatever else. And you begrudge someone playing the game for free for one week? And if they like the game, then they have to buy it or they can't play anymore.

I have no complaints......I will continue to pay for ESO+.

wolf486 · December 2018

I have no issues with free ESO+ weekends or weeks. I'd of course always welcome getting more with ESO+, but as it stands for how I play the game, I get my monies worth now

ArchMikem · December 2018

There are new ESO+ exclusive crown items now. Some are free.

idk · December 2018

If you truly feel that ESO+ is not such a great deal, that Zos is making a joke of it, then cease your subscription.

While the forums are great, Zos looks to their revenue stream to see how they are doing. Subscriptions are the most important source of revenue so cutting off the subscription speaks loudly. Forum threads on the subject seem to fall on deaf ears.

Of course, this one is just fine with their subscription. The crafting bag and added bank space suite me. But to each their own.

max_only · December 2018

I’ve said it before, I’m used to paying a sub for MMOs, some places (THAT game) you have to pay monthly just to get access.

Whatever they add is a “huh, nice” as long as they don’t take away. I don’t feel cheated for subscribing, I felt severly annoyed for the whole “Morrowind is a chapter” debacle, but I’m over it.

To that end I’d be more than chuffed if they added yearly loyalty rewards like the Ice Wraith and Dwarven robot pet back to subscribers.

zyk · December 2018

ProfessorKittyhawk wrote: »

Access to the craft bag is more than enough to me. And still having access to the other dlcs is nice too. Those are things the trial members only get a taste of. They continue to add other little perks to sweeten the deal of being a subscriber. May not be much but it's something.

But this is a solution to a problem ZOS designed. I don't consider it to be good value for a game that's supposed to be B2P.

Elara_Northwind · December 2018

I have paid ZOS almost every single month since the game was released, and I agree that for the amount we pay we should be given more. I hate to even think how much money I have given them, I don't even want to add it all up because it is probably a horrible amount

and I buy crowns on top of that sometimes too!

For me, I have little choice when it comes to subbing, because I am into housing, and the item limits in many of those are terrible even WITH a sub! But the crowns we get monthly do not go very far, and for people who help support the game each month I feel that it would be more worthwhile to sub if we got more. I personally liked the little statues, but I understand that for many people they were useless. ZOS would probably get more subs if they offered more, to a wider variety of players too

Glurin · December 2018

Ramalamafizzfaj wrote: »

ProfessorKittyhawk wrote: »

Access to the craft bag is more than enough to me. And still having access to the other dlcs is nice too. Those are things the trial members only get a taste of. They continue to add other little perks to sweeten the deal of being a subscriber. May not be much but it's something.

Yeah, but you're missing the point.
I pay for this, and get less benefit than a free player.

WTF are you talking about?! The crafting bag alone is a huge headache relief. Plus free players have to buy the DLCs to gain access. Not to mention all the little things like costume dyeing, free crowns and double the storage space. Also, free players are just getting screwed over on the housing furniture space.

Davor · December 2018

Ramalamafizzfaj wrote: »

ProfessorKittyhawk wrote: »

Access to the craft bag is more than enough to me. And still having access to the other dlcs is nice too. Those are things the trial members only get a taste of. They continue to add other little perks to sweeten the deal of being a subscriber. May not be much but it's something.

Yeah, but you're missing the point.
I pay for this, and get less benefit than a free player.

What is the point? Where is your proof you are getting less benefit than a free player? Also you are not getting their point. The point is, you are getting value for ESO+. If you are not getting value, then you are the foolish one for not quitting it. Why are you not quitting?

Oh wait, I am sure, after the free week trial is over you want your craft bag and access to other DLC you don't have and getting the crowns. So YOU ARE getting the benefits. You are just sour because you want some thing more "free".

Do you know what Costco is? It's a huge store. Let's just say they give out free samples so people can try them out. Is that wrong? After all there are people buying those products. So why should they buy those products if free samples are given out? Are you going to have a picket signe saying giving out free samples is unfair because other people are buying it?

That is all this is. Zenimax is giving out a free sample. Did you not get your crowns? So there is more PROOF you are GETTING MORE VALUE than people who are playing for free . Did you not get your FREE Statue? Unless you are an ESO+ subscriber you can't get that free. If that is value to you or not that is up to the individual person.

Thing is you haven't PROVEN ANYTHING that you are getting less value. You are just crying and throwing a tantrum because you just want something more for free.

Please. Please correct me where I am wrong. Please show me where YOU are ME are getting less value. Murkmire was given away yes. Doesn't mean it's not less value. People who just get into ESO now, will either have to buy it or get ESO+. So if anything you got a better value since you got it for free. One day you will not have ESO+ so at least you will still have Murkmire. So your point is?

Stratloc · December 2018

This title is just silly

Ramalamafizzfaj · December 2018

Davor wrote: »

So your point is?

As you obviously had trouble understanding this, I'll make it clear.

My point is I want an equivalent amount of free rewards as the free players get. I feel i lose out on freebies because I pay.

There. Is that clear enough?

MaxJrFTW · December 2018

ESO Plus membership is a special VIP program that gives you access to loads of in-game benefits and perks, including:

Access to all DLC game packs in the in-game Crown Store
Free crowns for the in-game Crown Store
Access to the Craft Bag
Double bank space
Bonuses to progression
Extra furniture space
Costume dyeing
Double Transmutation Crystals

More is always better, but that's already pretty good imo.

I used to pay $15 a month for WoW and guess what? You don't get a thing, just access to the servers...

Linaleah · December 2018

honestly, when they first announced that they were making ESO plus more atractive by adding more rewards and what not, I was optimistic... and then they stopped giving us free crates that we used to get during free trials and prior to new pack releases... while I don't mind the decos, its not something I would have actively bought either and i'm INTO housing. the discount we get on items is pretty marginal. and discount doesn't compare to freebies we used to get, so yeah, I feel like my subscription has less value now, not more. (just do the math. 6 crates we'd get during free trials would add up to lets make it 2000 crowns even though per crate price is 2400, but since we are getting multiples and they usually have discount in store.. lets call it 2000 crowns. extra crowns we are getting now are 125 per month. it would take over a year of extra crowns to add up to what we used to get during free trials and we tend to get couple of free trials per year. WITH crown crate discount. but free decorations, you say... if its not something you would have personaly bought... then they have no value. we don't get out choice of item. we get decorations that we may or may not have use for. (oh yeah, we are getting outfit this month. the kind that normally would cost about 700 crowns... yay >_> )

I still am keeping subscription becasue... yeah, housing slots limits. decorating without subscription is beyond awful.

but... ZoS? you did NOT increase out subscription value by claiming that you are spreading rewards a little more evenly. becasue these rewards that you are spreading? do NOT add up to the value we used to get.

Abigail · December 2018

I've cancelled my recurring sub, not because I don't think it's a good enough value, but because I've no faith in the direction ZOS is taking this game; vis a vis balance, knee-jerk nerfs, and overall homogenization of the races. If they can somehow get through the next few months without borking the game completely I'll likely resub. But given current trends, not another cent from me.

As for free stuff for + subscribers, I couldn't care less, I don't play this kind of game for a bunch of crap I haven't earned. But each to his/her own. It's just pixel stuff, it's just a damned game; doing an Isadora Duncan over such twaddle is silly.

Ertosi · December 2018

To say we're being punished is hyperbole. Its more than fair to say subscribers are currently underappreciated based off of the new sub rewards system giving less total rewards than before with the removal of the free crates from Free ESO+ weeks.

Glurin · December 2018

Ramalamafizzfaj wrote: »

Davor wrote: »

So your point is?

As you obviously had trouble understanding this, I'll make it clear.

My point is I want an equivalent amount of free rewards as the free players get. I feel i lose out on freebies because I pay.

There. Is that clear enough?

Ok, so your beef is that subscribers don't get extra rewards when free players sometimes get a free week of ESO+, even though they get nothing for the other fifty one weeks of the year.....

Ramalamafizzfaj · December 2018

Glurin wrote: »

Ramalamafizzfaj wrote: »

Davor wrote: »

So your point is?

As you obviously had trouble understanding this, I'll make it clear.

My point is I want an equivalent amount of free rewards as the free players get. I feel i lose out on freebies because I pay.

There. Is that clear enough?

Ok, so your beef is that subscribers don't get extra rewards when free players sometimes get a free week of ESO+, even though they get nothing for the other fifty one weeks of the year.....

I forgot to mention, this is my first month subscribing and I sure picked the wrong month. As for your attitude to my wanting only an equivalent, well your opinion isn't a fact, so gifs showing people getting a slap only show how little patience you have with simple things. Please grow up.

Bouldercleave · December 2018

MEMBER BENEFITS

ESO Plus™ Members

DLC GAME PACKS
UNLIMITED CRAFTING STORAGE
FREE CROWNS 1650 crowns per month for mounts, pets, & more
EXTRA BANK SPACE
10% increase to Gold & Experience acquisition
10% increase to Crafting Inspiration & Trait Research rates
Double Furnishings & Collectibles space in player housing
ability to dye costumes
Double currency cap for Transmutation Crystals
Exclusive access to unique Crown Store deals

Now what do we get that is LESS than the guys that get a free week once a year?

PM me your address and I'll send you $4.00 to cover your free week....

Abigail · December 2018

@Bouldercleave

Let me make a few comments to that list.

access to DLC GAME PACKS (but you're only a renter)
UNLIMITED CRAFTING STORAGE
FREE CROWNS 1650 crowns per month for mounts, pets, & more (not free, we paid for them)
EXTRA BANK SPACE
10% increase to Gold & Experience acquisition (but what if all alts are maxed?)
10% increase to Crafting Inspiration & Trait Research rates (worthless if your only crafter is maxed)
Double Furnishings & Collectibles space in player housing (okay for those who want to play Sims)
ability to dye costumes (not even sure what this means -- why else would there be costume dyes)
Double currency cap for Transmutation Crystals (again, okay if you're a meta chaser, otherwise ... meh)
Exclusive access to unique Crown Store deals (so far "deals" is arguable and cheezy statues ... meh)

I really don't give a fat rat's asp, but marketing hype is, well, marketing hype, and I'd say the longer you play + is of diminishing value. But like others, I've kept + because of storage until recently.

Asha_11_ESO · December 2018

I already feel like I get my full value from ESO+, so the new occasional collectibles, and some extra crowns etc is a bonus. With each new dlc, that value gets better. A sub is also helping to support the development of the game too.

It's a great idea to have free weekends or a free week of access for people to come and try the game out. Like it or not, new players are necessary to keep the game healthy.

jircris11 · December 2018

Ramalamafizzfaj wrote: »

This past couple of months has been a bit of a joke for subscribers in my opinion. Last month there was 7 days of free ESO + for which ESO + subscribers were not offered an equivalent alternative reward. Then they gave murkmire DLC away, making my subscription a little less valuable. Then they let people play for free for a week, with again no equivalent reward for ESO + subscribers or people who had already bought the game.

And what have they done for subscribers? an extra 150 crowns per month. That's actually such a small amount it's an insult.

When will people realize, when you pay the 14.99 a month you get eso+ AS WELL as 14.99 in crowns, we are basically paying for the crowns and getting the membership free

Runs · December 2018

Ramalamafizzfaj wrote: »

Glurin wrote: »

Ramalamafizzfaj wrote: »

Davor wrote: »

So your point is?

As you obviously had trouble understanding this, I'll make it clear.

My point is I want an equivalent amount of free rewards as the free players get. I feel i lose out on freebies because I pay.

There. Is that clear enough?

Ok, so your beef is that subscribers don't get extra rewards when free players sometimes get a free week of ESO+, even though they get nothing for the other fifty one weeks of the year.....

I forgot to mention, this is my first month subscribing and I sure picked the wrong month. As for your attitude to my wanting only an equivalent, well your opinion isn't a fact, so gifs showing people getting a slap only show how little patience you have with simple things. Please grow up.

So this is your first month subscribing and you are complaining about a free week WHICH YOU YOURSELF GOT AS A "FREE" PLAYER?

Agobi · December 2018

Ramalamafizzfaj wrote: »

ProfessorKittyhawk wrote: »

Access to the craft bag is more than enough to me. And still having access to the other dlcs is nice too. Those are things the trial members only get a taste of. They continue to add other little perks to sweeten the deal of being a subscriber. May not be much but it's something.

Yeah, but you're missing the point.
I pay for this, and get less benefit than a free player.

Free players dont get the craftbag......you win.

Gythral · December 2018

As a sub, which would you prefer:

They try to add more subs to the already creaking servers

They fix the creaking servers

???

Glurin · December 2018

Ramalamafizzfaj wrote: »

Glurin wrote: »

Ramalamafizzfaj wrote: »

Davor wrote: »

So your point is?

As you obviously had trouble understanding this, I'll make it clear.

My point is I want an equivalent amount of free rewards as the free players get. I feel i lose out on freebies because I pay.

There. Is that clear enough?

Ok, so your beef is that subscribers don't get extra rewards when free players sometimes get a free week of ESO+, even though they get nothing for the other fifty one weeks of the year.....

I forgot to mention, this is my first month subscribing and I sure picked the wrong month. As for your attitude to my wanting only an equivalent, well your opinion isn't a fact, so gifs showing people getting a slap only show how little patience you have with simple things. Please grow up.

How about this one then?