Are we being punished for paying?

Bouldercleave

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

ESO+ is mainly about the crafting bag, the crowns (assuming one has a use for them), and the housing slots (assuming one cares about those).

The 10% XP is trivial, given the availability of scrolls, including for in-game gold. Besides, from Level 45 onward having ESO+ actively inhibits you from running random dungeons, so over the length of the whole leveling process, you're not really better off than if you didn't have ESO+.

What you find trivial, others find important. The crafting bag and crowns are the meat and potatoes of the subscription as well as access to the DLCs, but there are tons of folks out there that enjoy the benefits of extra bank space, housing space, and bonuses to XP and inspiration.

Remember, there are tons of people out there and not all of them think the same way you do about things.

Aurie

Ramalamafizzfaj wrote: »

And what have they done for subscribers? an extra 150 crowns per month. That's actually such a small amount it's an insult.

Indeed. Look at the prices in the crown store. An extra 150 crowns is NOTHING.

temjiu

I personally don't think that It's a big issue. a fwe free weeks isn't going to kill me and make my subscription non-valid. I enjoy about 80% of what we get through the sub, So it's worth it for me if I'm playing more then a few hours per month.

I do understand why people would get frustrated with the removal of the free crates during the events. Even though the Sub on it's own is nice (pending your overall usage of all of the sub benefits), I get the loss when others get a free week. It's not bad once in a blue moon, but the fact that they've done it twice in as many months doesn't sit well. If that's the end of it, and we won't see it again until next holiday season, I'm OK with that.

But if this becomes a more common habit as it has been these last few months, then yeah, I'd be upset with that. I personally feel that the crates were not a huge thing...I don't get why they suddenly got rid of them. it was fun and nice to have a suprise present waiting for me when I logged in. the extra CP, as many have stated, does not compensate considering the current costs of everything in the store.

BUT it's still a good deal outside of that. I think they dropped the crates so they could try and up their crate sales, which digs into my irritation bone. I have no use for the stupid "bonus" items. I'm happy that they gave us extra CP, but it almost feels like a losing game with the increased costs of everything in the store. It's like getting a 2% raise, then realizing that inflation was 4% that year, so you actually had a net loss of 2%. What they really need to do is stop making everything so frickin expensive.

Grimm13

There is one point I would say, yes we are being punished. That we are forced to have all the DLC's in the list of Random Dungeons. You get the same reward if you went into a FG1 or a DLC Dungeon, yet the DLC is much longer and harder to complete. There are some Dungeons that people just say no to because it takes more time than they want to spend, Moonhunter Keep.

DLC owners also get this punishment without the ESO+. I could see an added ESO+ benefit being able to deselect the DLC's as a whole from the Random List. Yes another encouragement for ESO+ purchase to buyers.

Also I believe an additional reward box should be given to DLC Random Dungeon. This would be to encourage those to stay and would be a visual people can relate to that it is an increased reward opportunity.

Aebaradath

Just stop giving them money. They won't listen otherwise.

Grimm13

Ratzkifal wrote: »

My subscription ran out, I got Murkmire for free, and I got enough crowns left for other things. I guess they don't want my money. The craft bag + 1650 crowns alone are not enough to justify this purchase. I can manage my inventory just fine without it. Just means I can't pick up everything. Normally I would sub for the free crates, but now that those are gone and neither Molag Bal nor Vivec statues are making up for that I will just enjoy getting a free inventory cleanup every few months and play without.

I can respect this. Everyone is free to make up their own mind if it is worth it for them or not. Also good that you said what would be worth it for you.

Glurin

temjiu wrote: »

I do understand why people would get frustrated with the removal of the free crates during the events. Even though the Sub on it's own is nice (pending your overall usage of all of the sub benefits), I get the loss when others get a free week. It's not bad once in a blue moon, but the fact that they've done it twice in as many months doesn't sit well.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Wait a minute here. Are you guys upset because of the free play week? As in, the week when people don't own the game at all get to try it out and see if they like it before they have to buy it?

It's even worse than I thought if that's the case. I thought the OP was just pitching a fit about ESO+ trials, but if he's upset about this too, well, that's a whole different level of entitlement.

Betty_Booms

I agree with OP. I have no issue with the mirkmire being given to people. My issue is that eso+ already have it and the major monthly reward item is moot for us.

Its funny how conditioned people get. The eso+ membership is mainly paying for functional aspects of the game. People see the worth in the crafting bag because indeed the game functionality without it is atrocious. Its the same for the space allocations for the rest of it.

The monthly crown allocation is nothing and it is designed this way so we fall short of buying items so we will top up our crowns month to month.

So I completely understand how eso+ members can feel jibbed when there is a reward for free loaders and not for paying customers.

Facefister

Ramalamafizzfaj wrote: »

Abigail wrote: »

... but I'm grateful.

this

For what?

Glurin

Betty_Booms wrote: »

I agree with OP. I have no issue with the mirkmire being given to people. My issue is that eso+ already have it and the major monthly reward item is moot for us.

Its funny how conditioned people get. The eso+ membership is mainly paying for functional aspects of the game. People see the worth in the crafting bag because indeed the game functionality without it is atrocious. Its the same for the space allocations for the rest of it.

The monthly crown allocation is nothing and it is designed this way so we fall short of buying items so we will top up our crowns month to month.

So I completely understand how eso+ members can feel jibbed when there is a reward for free loaders and not for paying customers.

You still got Murkmire as well. If your sub ever lapses, you will have access to it.

FlyingSwan

Sub has no value, I stopped subbing about 14 months ago and don't regret it. The sub gives very little meaningful content, if you are into Crowns you can get them in the sale, but let's face it, Crown store is full of noisome tat anyway. The only way ZOS can attempt to make the sub appealing is the crafting bag. Well, whoopy do, a QoL trinket to overcome the most deliberately obtuse inventory system in any MMO, and that's it.

Fix the game, make it perform to the same level as other sub games, e.g. FFXIV, then maybe people will think it worth a sub but, as it stands, it's of the same quality level as some F2P games.

Slack

OMG! So free players get the same as me, to test for a whole week???

I demand a free lifetime subscription as compensation.




PS.: and add a little yellow star next to my name, so everyone knows I am no free Trial pleb

Soris

Craftbag is also redundant and trivial for maxed out characters/accounts. Because there are usually only a handfull of materials to cover all of your gear crafting needs. Unless you are a dedicated crafter or you farm those mats for gold, it is redundant af.

The only usefull thing for me in eso+ is crowns and ability to play dlc dungeons and stuff. But i bought most of them in sales over the past years so i just dont have a reason to sub anymore since i guess morrowind.

If there were something like 30% increased gold and material gain + extra crown tri-pots extra guild slots, extra char slots, extra crowns and things like that, i would sub again.

Danikat

Soris wrote: »

Craftbag is also redundant and trivial for maxed out characters/accounts. Because there are usually only a handfull of materials to cover all of your gear crafting needs. Unless you are a dedicated crafter or you farm those mats for gold, it is redundant af.

The only usefull thing for me in eso+ is crowns and ability to play dlc dungeons and stuff. But i bought most of them in sales over the past years so i just dont have a reason to sub anymore since i guess morrowind.

If there were something like 30% increased gold and material gain + extra crown tri-pots extra guild slots, extra char slots, extra crowns and things like that, i would sub again.

If you're farming mats to sell and you have so many you need the craft bag to store them then you're probably doing something wrong. Mats sat in storage (whatever form that is) aren't making you any gold and are therefore useless in this scenario. It would be better to slow down your farming and/or join more/better trade guilds (or spend more time selling in zone chat if you really want) so you're selling stuff at the same rate you're getting it.

The exception is if you're stockpiling them because you're expecting a big shift in the market, but from what I've seen the crafting material market in this game isn't volatile enough for that to be a common problem.

Hurbster

I pay £23.97 every 90 days for my ESO+. It's 1650 crowns per month right ? So that is 4950 crowns that I get every 90 days.

When 3000 crowns is currently £18.99 I think I'm good. Everything else is a nice bonus.

ProfessorKittyhawk

Ramalamafizzfaj wrote: »

ProfessorKittyhawk wrote: »

Access to the craft bag is more than enough to me. And still having access to the other dlcs is nice too. Those are things the trial members only get a taste of. They continue to add other little perks to sweeten the deal of being a subscriber. May not be much but it's something.

Yeah, but you're missing the point.
I pay for this, and get less benefit than a free player.

Apparently I am because I dont understand how we are getting less than a nonpaying player. In the grand scheme of things the few free days they get or whatever are small fries compared to perks we get as continual subbers.

DeadlyRecluse

Did you get what you payed for? Then no, you aren't being punished.

Workers, hires, and all that.

NekoTashi

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Androconium

They asked for eso plus improvement suggestions about four weeks before they added the extra crowns for EXISTING players.

Iirc, most people asked for more servers.
Reap what ya sow.

Davor

Ramalamafizzfaj wrote: »

Davor wrote: »

So your point is?

As you obviously had trouble understanding this, I'll make it clear.

My point is I want an equivalent amount of free rewards as the free players get. I feel i lose out on freebies because I pay.

There. Is that clear enough?

How is this clear enough? You still haven't explained anything. What are you loosing out on? You still have your craft bag. Has that been taken away from you? You still have your double inventory in bank space. Has that been taken away from you? You still get your crowns. This is what I don't understand. You claim to be loosing out but you are not. You are still getting stuff, crowns, free statue that "free" players don't get.

Also we are talking about what 50 cents a day. So maybe two bucks if it's a weekend event or most $3.50 if it's a week long event. My god you are spending a lot of energy and trying to make people look foolish over $3.50.

So all this over $3.50 you feel the need to be compensated for? Now I got you. *thumbs up*

Davor

Ratzkifal wrote: »

My subscription ran out, I got Murkmire for free, and I got enough crowns left for other things. I guess they don't want my money. The craft bag + 1650 crowns alone are not enough to justify this purchase. I can manage my inventory just fine without it. Just means I can't pick up everything. Normally I would sub for the free crates, but now that those are gone and neither Molag Bal nor Vivec statues are making up for that I will just enjoy getting a free inventory cleanup every few months and play without.

For me, it does justify the purchase. What I don't feel is the justification is the free crates. When did we ever get free crates with ESO+? Either I am misunderstanding something here, or you are. To my knowledge we never got free crates with ESO+ and to only get ESO+ for free crates I will not understand.

Davor

FlyingSwan wrote: »

Well, whoopy do, a QoL trinket to overcome the most deliberately obtuse inventory system in any MMO, and that's it.

Easy to say when ESO is the only game I know that has the best system for inventory management. Please name other MMO games that have a better system than ESO. I tried a few others and there as well you have to buy additional stash. ESO let's us do it in game while those other games you have to do it in real life.

So please enlighten me with the less obtuse inventory system other games have. I would like to try them out.

xaraan

Abigail wrote: »

We got two itsy bitsy statues most of us will never use ... but I'm grateful.

and the texture work is worth every penny we paid for it

FlyingSwan

Davor wrote: »

FlyingSwan wrote: »

Well, whoopy do, a QoL trinket to overcome the most deliberately obtuse inventory system in any MMO, and that's it.

Easy to say when ESO is the only game I know that has the best system for inventory management. Please name other MMO games that have a better system than ESO. I tried a few others and there as well you have to buy additional stash. ESO let's us do it in game while those other games you have to do it in real life.

So please enlighten me with the less obtuse inventory system other games have. I would like to try them out.

Even UO had a better inventory system than ESO. Eve, Warframe, there's just two with a well-thought out system that does not penalise and coerce the player into paying real money for slots.

The fact the only time you ever hear anyone sing the praises of the ESO sub is in the context of the crafting bag tells you all you need to know; finite slots and too much trash loot. But once you're max CP you can ditch the bag anyway as by then you've accrued all you need and then some. I've got well over 10,000 of each of the important mats, so whilst I can't put anything into the bag now, I can still remove these things.

Cpt_Teemo

I really wished ESO would have gone a Swg type route of Marketing Ui, where you can find anything listed in the game and it will just tell you what vendor and location its at would have been much easier than hopping around everytime also with a cruddy lagging search Ui as well.