Pledges via porting

Goldneye · December 2018

Would the community support queing into a vet random... Then porting to said daily pledge? I would be able to run my Tanks thru many more pledges and help people along the way. I see it as playing the game more efficiently myself. Played since launch. ~Goldneye

kargen27 · December 2018

I wouldn't but I gotta ask why would you want to? Just select the pledge instead of queuing for a random and when the group is full off you go to your dungeon of choice.

LordGavus · December 2018

I find the queue for pledge dungeons to be about the same as random, at least on a tank or healer.
So I guess you could but would there really be any benefit?

The queue pops pretty much instant for a tank, but if it didn't forming a group from zone or guild is probably the better option.

Linaleah · December 2018

to the people asking "why would you" becasue that way you get both a pledge reward AND a random dungeon reward. assuming current ability to get random reward despite switching dungeons doesn't get fixed

idk · December 2018

^^^^ Yes, it is an exploit and probably not a wise idea to post about it in the forums. If you want to play like that just form your own group with that intent and hope Zos chooses to never do anything about it.

kargen27 · December 2018

I understand getting both rewards but really if you are able to do the vet pledges then you can cake walk a normal for the random reward and not put people out by switching dungeons.

Mureel · December 2018

idk wrote: »

^^^^ Yes, it is an exploit and probably not a wise idea to post about it in the forums. If you want to play like that just form your own group with that intent and hope Zos chooses to never do anything about it.

Stop throwing that word around, you’ll wear it out!

Reallly wait for any official word.

Mureel · December 2018

In my personal opinion- I’d just do the pledge or whatever and then q for the rando if you want/need to

WuffyCerulei · December 2018

I’d grab the pledges before you do a random just in case it’s a pledge, but there’s no guarentee. It’s better to just queue for the pledge, and as a tank, it’ll be fast.

Linaleah · December 2018

idk wrote: »

^^^^ Yes, it is an exploit and probably not a wise idea to post about it in the forums. If you want to play like that just form your own group with that intent and hope Zos chooses to never do anything about it.

agreed on all counts. I'm just explaining what the motivation is to try to combine the two in a way that OP described.

Donny_Vito · December 2018

The point is to knock two birds out with one stone. Also, if you have sub-810 CP characters this will allow them to get 3x daily reward XP bonuses (one is ~100k and the other two are ~30k) for doing all the pledges. It just makes sense for the mindset of someone trying to be efficient with their limited game-time.

AlnilamE · December 2018

The problem with your idea is that, outside the dungeon event, at least one person in the group you joined from the random queue has likely queued for the dungeon you joined. This is even more likely in vet dungeons. So unless you are pre-forming a group where everyone agreed to do this, you would be depriving someone from trying to complete the dungeon they actually wanted to do.

As others have said, if you grab the pledges before you queue, you are very likely to join one of the pledge dungeons anyway.

xan4silkb14_ESO · December 2018

I've only used this exploit once for a bugged dungeon that would not let us proceed. I didn't even know it was a thing until someone suggested it. The whole group manually teleported back to the original dungeon and finished for someone in the group to finish the quest so we still did not double dip our rewards. We got the random reward once in one dungeon and finished the pledge in another dungeon.

Donny_Vito · December 2018

AlnilamE wrote: »

The problem with your idea is that, outside the dungeon event, at least one person in the group you joined from the random queue has likely queued for the dungeon you joined. This is even more likely in vet dungeons. So unless you are pre-forming a group where everyone agreed to do this, you would be depriving someone from trying to complete the dungeon they actually wanted to do.

As others have said, if you grab the pledges before you queue, you are very likely to join one of the pledge dungeons anyway.

This is not true. If my counting is correct, there are about 34 dungeons you can do in a random daily. There are 3 pledges, giving you about a ~10% chance of getting the pledge, which means you have a ~90% chance of not getting the right dungeon.

josiahva · December 2018

Linaleah wrote: »

to the people asking "why would you" becasue that way you get both a pledge reward AND a random dungeon reward. assuming current ability to get random reward despite switching dungeons doesn't get fixed

This is backwards thinking. When queuing for a random dungeon, about 70% of the time it IS one of the pledges....so you simply do that first, the specific queue for the others...no need to exploit anything.

Linaleah · December 2018

josiahva wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

to the people asking "why would you" becasue that way you get both a pledge reward AND a random dungeon reward. assuming current ability to get random reward despite switching dungeons doesn't get fixed

This is backwards thinking. When queuing for a random dungeon, about 70% of the time it IS one of the pledges....so you simply do that first, the specific queue for the others...no need to exploit anything.

actualy in my experience, its the other way around. more often then not I do NOT get a pledge as a random. that said, in situations where you did not, get a pledge random, I can see why someone might want to kill 2 birds with one stone if you will and switch dungeons over, so I'm not sure in what way this thinking is backwards.

last but not least - motivations aside. don't do that to a random group. seriously. people who did this to random groups is why we are having all the forums hoopla. not everyone will go along, and quite a few will actively get upset "exhibit A - the forums for pretty much the duration of undaunted event and STILL" .

Donny_Vito · December 2018

josiahva wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

to the people asking "why would you" becasue that way you get both a pledge reward AND a random dungeon reward. assuming current ability to get random reward despite switching dungeons doesn't get fixed

This is backwards thinking. When queuing for a random dungeon, about 70% of the time it IS one of the pledges....so you simply do that first, the specific queue for the others...no need to exploit anything.

@josiahva
I'm curious where you got this statistic from?

Jimmy · December 2018

Has ZOS ever given some sort of reply or acknowledgment of this issue/exploit?

They seem mighty quiet to me?

Aisle9 · December 2018

I'm fairly sure that would qualify as an exploit, so I wouldn't advise it, if you mean "doing the pledges, but also getting the undaunted rewards for the random"

kargen27 · December 2018

Donny_Vito wrote: »

The point is to knock two birds out with one stone. Also, if you have sub-810 CP characters this will allow them to get 3x daily reward XP bonuses (one is ~100k and the other two are ~30k) for doing all the pledges. It just makes sense for the mindset of someone trying to be efficient with their limited game-time.

Nah the point is causing an inconvenience to other players taking up their time so you can save your time. Unless of course you are in a preformed group that knows ahead of time what the plan is. Preformed group, go for it ZoS doesn't seem to care people are using this exploit. Random group you should do the dungeon you are given or leave group. It isn't fair to the other players that you ask them to switch.

Glurin · December 2018

Goldneye wrote: »

Would the community support queing into a vet random... Then porting to said daily pledge? I would be able to run my Tanks thru many more pledges and help people along the way. I see it as playing the game more efficiently myself. Played since launch. ~Goldneye

As long as you and nobody who ports with you gets the random queue rewards and everyone in your group agrees to it, sure. Go wild.

DMuehlhausen · December 2018

kargen27 wrote: »

I wouldn't but I gotta ask why would you want to? Just select the pledge instead of queuing for a random and when the group is full off you go to your dungeon of choice.

I always do a random pledge first. Most of the times you get the daily, since people are manually queuing for it. Once I do a random I only select the pledges. Unless I'm looking for an item

max_only · December 2018

Jimmy wrote: »

Has ZOS ever given some sort of reply or acknowledgment of this issue/exploit?

They seem mighty quiet to me?

Official Zos Response from German forum

sudaki_eso wrote: »

This discussion is still going on? Why is here no offical response like we got in the german forum which would end this discussion in seconds?

This is what ZOS said about it:

Das ist sicher nicht im Sinne des Erfinders, wie man so schön sagt. Allerdings verstehe ich auch, wenn jemand z.B. in der Mittagspause oder bei begrenzter Zeit im Spiel unglücklich ist, wenn er bei Zufallsverliesen eines der komplizierteren oder längerwierigeren zugewiesen bekommt.

Ich sehe keinen Grund, das zu ahnden aber vielleicht können wir es spieltechnisch für die Zukunft unterbinden.

In english:

That is certainly not in the sense of the inventor, as the saying goes. However, I also understand when someone, e.g. is unhappy in the lunch break or limited time in the game, when he gets assigned to one of the more complicated or longer-lasting random dungeons.

I see no reason to punish this, but maybe we can stop it for the future.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/de/discussion/comment/5646569/#Comment_5646569

That is certainly not in the sense of the inventor, as the saying goes. However, I also understand when someone, e.g. is unhappy in the lunch break or limited time in the game, when he gets assigned to one of the more complicated or longer-lasting random dungeons.

I see no reason to punish this, but maybe we can stop it for the future.