Hey Magblades! How's Murkmire for you?

RighteousBacon · December 2018

Vapirko wrote: »

arkansas_ESO wrote: »

Vapirko wrote: »

Magblade is my for fun class, so I’m not claiming to be much good at it. But man have I been struggling this patch. I was running my old build of war maiden and lich and skoria but the light armor shield just isn’t good enough anymore and healing ward is mostly useless. So I went heavy armor with shacklebrealer and bright throat but it’s not much better. The lack of a good heal outside of swallow soul is miserable. Anyone got any pointers if I want to salvage this class?

Short answer: there isn't, this is life on a class without a burst heal.

Long answer: you can either build around invisibility and mobility and pray you never get hit, or you can try to build around the Dark Cloak morph and use it as a weaker, magicka version of Vigor. Try running something like 5pc Impregnable, 5pc Spinner's/Strategist/Moon Hunter on your front bar, with the Black Rose resto staff on your back bar and Valkyn or Balorgh as your monster set. You need to have at least 30k health to make the Dark Cloak heal worthwhile, so run prismatics and be an Argonian.

I was trying the beak morph of dark cloak but it just kinda suck. Looks like I might put my magblade to rest for a bit.

Only use I’ve found for dark cloak is on my AIDS Heavy Armor stamnb build where I run Vigor, FM, Dark Cloak and Troll King for insane HoT. I have like 30k health so the Dark Cloak tics are good. Very tanky and has good sustain because of leeching strikes etc. on nightblade

HEBREWHAMMERRR · December 2018

Haven’t played much eso lately but when I do, I run torug, elegant 1piece 1 piece and go around cyrodill one banging people because that’s about all that’s fun to me nowadays. Lol

brandonv516 · December 2018

HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »

Haven’t played much eso lately but when I do, I run torug, elegant 1piece 1 piece and go around cyrodill one banging people because that’s about all that’s fun to me nowadays. Lol

Yeah been awhile since I've seen you. You running that Torug's in light or heavy?

Dojohoda · December 2018

As (one who plays) a magblade (99.9% of the time), quite frankly, I am a bit, maybe a lot, salty about the latest changes. I try not to think about it and I continue to play magblade because it is my favorite.

HEBREWHAMMERRR · December 2018

brandonv516 wrote: »

HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »

Haven’t played much eso lately but when I do, I run torug, elegant 1piece 1 piece and go around cyrodill one banging people because that’s about all that’s fun to me nowadays. Lol

Yeah been awhile since I've seen you. You running that Torug's in light or heavy?

Light and then vma back bar and I just stealth around 1 shorting people lol. BGs I can put up 1mil+ pretty easily with it though but the influx of DK wings can make that tough.

CatchMeTrolling · December 2018

brandonv516 wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

There’s an influx of dks in bgs, that’s a good reason not to play magblade. Plus, all the snares and roots.

The average player is going to pick up something different to play.

I noticed that too lol. DK is a real Goliath this patch!

Yeah I don’t know what triggered it but they’re annoying. I see very few magblades whenever I decide to play.

When I was playing my magblade earlier this patch I remember getting in a game where one team had 3 of them. Had to play extra hard, somehow they still didn’t win.

HowlKimchi · December 2018

Id like for swallow soul to be changed such that it’s a projectile but from your target to yourself, making it unreflectable. Like you’re stealing their essence. We’re already way too weak against reflect. So this would be pretty good for us. Currently when there are too many dks in the bg match im in, i run concealed weapon.

brandonv516 · December 2018

HaruKamui wrote: »

Id like for swallow soul to be changed such that it’s a projectile but from your target to yourself, making it unreflectable. Like you’re stealing their essence. We’re already way too weak against reflect. So this would be pretty good for us. Currently when there are too many dks in the bg match im in, i run concealed weapon.

Whenever I see the animation it appears that it's grabbing the essence from an enemy, not shooting something at them to be reflected.

I really want Cripple to be non-reflectable. It would be perfectly balanced in my opinion.

Distance can be maintained with it immobilizing (which is only a measly 4s now) because it would go through Reflective Plate.

However, the enemy DK could also still remove the effect by casting the skill again. And it would put some pressure on them with the DoT.

NightAngel690 · December 2018

kaithuzar wrote: »

Sure every once in a blue moon you run into a squish noob that you can melt when kena procs but typically everyone in Cyrodiil is tanking for days.

Everyone except mag sorc & some stamblades are running s&b

A short rundown of the fights/what other players are thinking when they kill me

Mag warden - tank tank tank (shimmering shield w/s&b)...permafrost & I’m dead
(Whether you can see permafrost is debatable), forward momentum nerf makes it difficult to get out of even w/13k stam

Magplar - oh did you incap/soul harvest me? I couldn’t tell because I’m an Argonian healbot w/disease resistance running s&b spamming breath of life; you’ll die to my radiant + skoria if my friends don’t zerg you first

Magdk - flap flap (like always) so sorry to hear about the agony change but guess what?! I can still meteor + fossilize you , but what am I saying leap works so much better! Oh shoot my skoria killed you instead #inevitable

Stam warden - you wut bro? Have some beetles with dawnbreaker & steel potato; you died so fast I don’t even remember you.

Magsorcs - we cried so much that they actually gave us a buff! I bet you’ll run out of resources before I do (spam shields, streak, full sustain build & still hits for 5k on every attack)...

Stam sorc - speed might suck but so do you trying to deal with bleeds & the largest persistent aoe in game #GoodLuckCloaking
I guarantee implosion is on the death recap

Stam nb - running 14k+ mag I can cloak just as good & still kill you w/multiple 10k snipes that hit at the exact same time

Other magblades - if I bring my dueling build into Cyrodiil I can guarantee 1 kill...

I laughed so hard at this! This is 100% accurate!

Datthaw · December 2018

I wouldn't be so upset with magnb if they did not COMPLETELY nerf my heavy armor playstyle. I was already non meta, but I enjoyed they playstyle as a change from the light armor shield stack range builds I run in duels.

I used to love running a heavy armor destro/2h build in cyro it gave me good mobility and decent damage, along with enough heals to stand and survive.

Until... they take my minor vit from swallow soul. No buff for dark cloak. But wait were going to nerf path also, now you can't rely on path to stand in for minor vit buffed heals and skoria procs to help your already weak heavy mag dps. So now I have a swallow soul that I don't slot because its not my spammable, might as well swap it for mutagen. I have a path that does no damage, why even run skoria with 1 dot? So drop path or drop skoria and lose heals or lose damage....Aww *** it I'll just throw on calu/spinners and just insta jib people from stealth.

That's exactly how I felt.

HowlKimchi · December 2018

Datthaw wrote: »

I wouldn't be so upset with magnb if they did not COMPLETELY nerf my heavy armor playstyle. I was already non meta, but I enjoyed they playstyle as a change from the light armor shield stack range builds I run in duels.

I used to love running a heavy armor destro/2h build in cyro it gave me good mobility and decent damage, along with enough heals to stand and survive.

Until... they take my minor vit from swallow soul. No buff for dark cloak. But wait were going to nerf path also, now you can't rely on path to stand in for minor vit buffed heals and skoria procs to help your already weak heavy mag dps. So now I have a swallow soul that I don't slot because its not my spammable, might as well swap it for mutagen. I have a path that does no damage, why even run skoria with 1 dot? So drop path or drop skoria and lose heals or lose damage....Aww *** it I'll just throw on calu/spinners and just insta jib people from stealth.

That's exactly how I felt.

I feel you. I was a heavy armor magblade as well. Minor vit and refreshing path changes were uncalled for.

I suggest you go with defensive light sets (im running light fortified brass) and troll king. The LA passives help with damage, while troll king and resistances help with mitigation.

You can run dampen magicka as well for oh *** moments on your destro/2h set-up.

Mayrael · December 2018

Except that shadow image fails to work in keeps, resource towers, mile gates etc., also cloak is broken by siege dot (pb ones not the gb), healing ward sometimes goes into "no heal" mode for minutes? Everything is fine, cause I don't play anymore.

Datthaw · December 2018

HaruKamui wrote: »

Datthaw wrote: »

I wouldn't be so upset with magnb if they did not COMPLETELY nerf my heavy armor playstyle. I was already non meta, but I enjoyed they playstyle as a change from the light armor shield stack range builds I run in duels.

I used to love running a heavy armor destro/2h build in cyro it gave me good mobility and decent damage, along with enough heals to stand and survive.

Until... they take my minor vit from swallow soul. No buff for dark cloak. But wait were going to nerf path also, now you can't rely on path to stand in for minor vit buffed heals and skoria procs to help your already weak heavy mag dps. So now I have a swallow soul that I don't slot because its not my spammable, might as well swap it for mutagen. I have a path that does no damage, why even run skoria with 1 dot? So drop path or drop skoria and lose heals or lose damage....Aww *** it I'll just throw on calu/spinners and just insta jib people from stealth.

That's exactly how I felt.

I feel you. I was a heavy armor magblade as well. Minor vit and refreshing path changes were uncalled for.

I suggest you go with defensive light sets (im running light fortified brass) and troll king. The LA passives help with damage, while troll king and resistances help with mitigation.

You can run dampen magicka as well for oh *** moments on your destro/2h set-up.

Ikr, they low key killed a playstyle for this class. Making it less and less diverse is stupid and kills the joy for me. I played a light armor cloaker forever but f me for trying to not be meta.

Tirps · December 2018

Bad, pretty much quit playing mnb solo because of this patch.

Koolio · December 2018

My banking MNB is still extremely strong considering I barely have defense anyways.

Currently I’m running a No shield No Cloak Light armor D/SNB build. It’s still a huge change to my other playstyle but I’m really liking it

brandonv516 · December 2018

Koolio wrote: »

My banking MNB is still extremely strong considering I barely have defense anyways.

Currently I’m running a No shield No Cloak Light armor D/SNB build. It’s still a huge change to my other playstyle but I’m really liking it

Do you find any success in BGs with this or just Cyro? Dark Cloak for your heal?

Koolio · December 2018

brandonv516 wrote: »

Koolio wrote: »

My banking MNB is still extremely strong considering I barely have defense anyways.

Currently I’m running a No shield No Cloak Light armor D/SNB build. It’s still a huge change to my other playstyle but I’m really liking it

Do you find any success in BGs with this or just Cyro? Dark Cloak for your heal?

So far just Cyrodiil since I live there. I never really played BGs consistently enough. But will be thoroughly testing for the next few weeks.

Bar setup is currently my biggest issue since I played a MNB so long that switching it up causes issues.

Dark cloak Swallow soul siphoning double drain health potions. Hist Sap Cyrodiil Crest back bar. I still have pretty decent stats to my surprise.

Regen is really low but still have 41.5k max magic 2800 SD 40% crit.

mursie · December 2018

magicka just feels underwhelming compared to stamina toons. There is no vigor heal. Dodge roll and CC break are tied to your lowest resource pool and you're quickly dead after an extended 2 cc fight at most.

magDK hits hard but mobility is a major issue. magblade basically has to HA/Gank from cloak on all attacks. stay visible for even 5 consecutive seconds and you're dead.

Stam toons just seem to have incredible synergy with most of their kits. Stamina is an offensive and defensive pool for them... allowing them to hit harder and have more sustain for dodge roll and cc break. their primary go-to for major brutality is a 2for1 skill that also grants 4 seconds of snare/root immunity. they can literally dodge roll while ani-canceling vigor so as to avoid dmg and at the same time heal for 50% of their health over 5 seconds.

it's just way more powerful than anything I find on the magblade and magdk kit. magden is a support role that just throws aoe all around. I don't feel like I kill anything.. just facilitate kills for my stam brothers.

magsorc can kill but it's just a much more boring playstyle than a melee bruiser. standing 100 ft away throwing endless fury on anything 50% or below while looking for frag procs is just a bit stale.

I have a stam bias there is no doubt. and I play only no-cp so it seems even stronger there.

why can't there be a magicka vigor and dawnbreaker and tie dodge roll and cc break to your highest resource pool. is that just way to overpowered? maybe it would be.

Knootewoot · December 2018

mursie wrote: »

magicka just feels underwhelming compared to stamina toons. There is no vigor heal. Dodge roll and CC break are tied to your lowest resource pool and you're quickly dead after an extended 2 cc fight at most.

magDK hits hard but mobility is a major issue. magblade basically has to HA/Gank from cloak on all attacks. stay visible for even 5 consecutive seconds and you're dead.

Stam toons just seem to have incredible synergy with most of their kits. Stamina is an offensive and defensive pool for them... allowing them to hit harder and have more sustain for dodge roll and cc break. their primary go-to for major brutality is a 2for1 skill that also grants 4 seconds of snare/root immunity. they can literally dodge roll while ani-canceling vigor so as to avoid dmg and at the same time heal for 50% of their health over 5 seconds.

it's just way more powerful than anything I find on the magblade and magdk kit. magden is a support role that just throws aoe all around. I don't feel like I kill anything.. just facilitate kills for my stam brothers.

magsorc can kill but it's just a much more boring playstyle than a melee bruiser. standing 100 ft away throwing endless fury on anything 50% or below while looking for frag procs is just a bit stale.

I have a stam bias there is no doubt. and I play only no-cp so it seems even stronger there.

why can't there be a magicka vigor and dawnbreaker and tie dodge roll and cc break to your highest resource pool. is that just way to overpowered? maybe it would be.

I hate the fact that stamblades can even cloak just as good as magblades. It seems their magicka hardly drains. A melee magblade is just a weaker version of stamblades. And a ranged magblade is just a weaker sorc.

Yeah we have a great toolkit. It got nerfed or bugged though for some skills. Still, it's the only class i prefer to play.

HowlKimchi · December 2018

Knootewoot wrote: »

mursie wrote: »

magicka just feels underwhelming compared to stamina toons. There is no vigor heal. Dodge roll and CC break are tied to your lowest resource pool and you're quickly dead after an extended 2 cc fight at most.

magDK hits hard but mobility is a major issue. magblade basically has to HA/Gank from cloak on all attacks. stay visible for even 5 consecutive seconds and you're dead.

Stam toons just seem to have incredible synergy with most of their kits. Stamina is an offensive and defensive pool for them... allowing them to hit harder and have more sustain for dodge roll and cc break. their primary go-to for major brutality is a 2for1 skill that also grants 4 seconds of snare/root immunity. they can literally dodge roll while ani-canceling vigor so as to avoid dmg and at the same time heal for 50% of their health over 5 seconds.

it's just way more powerful than anything I find on the magblade and magdk kit. magden is a support role that just throws aoe all around. I don't feel like I kill anything.. just facilitate kills for my stam brothers.

magsorc can kill but it's just a much more boring playstyle than a melee bruiser. standing 100 ft away throwing endless fury on anything 50% or below while looking for frag procs is just a bit stale.

I have a stam bias there is no doubt. and I play only no-cp so it seems even stronger there.

why can't there be a magicka vigor and dawnbreaker and tie dodge roll and cc break to your highest resource pool. is that just way to overpowered? maybe it would be.

I hate the fact that stamblades can even cloak just as good as magblades. It seems their magicka hardly drains. A melee magblade is just a weaker version of stamblades. And a ranged magblade is just a weaker sorc.

Yeah we have a great toolkit. It got nerfed or bugged though for some skills. Still, it's the only class i prefer to play.

While I disagree that we are a weaker sorc (we have nastier bursts and better utility), I do agree that our melee variant is *** compared to stamblades. I hope we get some changes for our melee playstyle. I mean, we have a melee spammable after all.

SubversusReformed · December 2018

They’re not in a great spot imo, but like @Heresyall said they’re fine. You can manage, even though the class definitely took a number of hits and it feels so off now for some reason.

In noCP though god help me....

Knootewoot · December 2018

HaruKamui wrote: »

Knootewoot wrote: »

mursie wrote: »

magicka just feels underwhelming compared to stamina toons. There is no vigor heal. Dodge roll and CC break are tied to your lowest resource pool and you're quickly dead after an extended 2 cc fight at most.

magDK hits hard but mobility is a major issue. magblade basically has to HA/Gank from cloak on all attacks. stay visible for even 5 consecutive seconds and you're dead.

Stam toons just seem to have incredible synergy with most of their kits. Stamina is an offensive and defensive pool for them... allowing them to hit harder and have more sustain for dodge roll and cc break. their primary go-to for major brutality is a 2for1 skill that also grants 4 seconds of snare/root immunity. they can literally dodge roll while ani-canceling vigor so as to avoid dmg and at the same time heal for 50% of their health over 5 seconds.

it's just way more powerful than anything I find on the magblade and magdk kit. magden is a support role that just throws aoe all around. I don't feel like I kill anything.. just facilitate kills for my stam brothers.

magsorc can kill but it's just a much more boring playstyle than a melee bruiser. standing 100 ft away throwing endless fury on anything 50% or below while looking for frag procs is just a bit stale.

I have a stam bias there is no doubt. and I play only no-cp so it seems even stronger there.

why can't there be a magicka vigor and dawnbreaker and tie dodge roll and cc break to your highest resource pool. is that just way to overpowered? maybe it would be.

I hate the fact that stamblades can even cloak just as good as magblades. It seems their magicka hardly drains. A melee magblade is just a weaker version of stamblades. And a ranged magblade is just a weaker sorc.

Yeah we have a great toolkit. It got nerfed or bugged though for some skills. Still, it's the only class i prefer to play.

While I disagree that we are a weaker sorc (we have nastier bursts and better utility), I do agree that our melee variant is *** compared to stamblades. I hope we get some changes for our melee playstyle. I mean, we have a melee spammable after all.

Yeah i play melee 90% of the time. Everytime i see a sorc though i get cursed and suddenly explode. If i catch them with their pants down though, they are mine.

Datthaw · December 2018

SubversusReformed wrote: »

They’re not in a great spot imo, but like @Heresyall said they’re fine. You can manage, even though the class definitely took a number of hits and it feels so off now for some reason.

In noCP though god help me....

Subversus...reformed? You get the ban hammer or something?

SubversusReformed · December 2018

Datthaw wrote: »

SubversusReformed wrote: »

They’re not in a great spot imo, but like @Heresyall said they’re fine. You can manage, even though the class definitely took a number of hits and it feels so off now for some reason.

In noCP though god help me....

Subversus...reformed? You get the ban hammer or something?

thankyourat · December 2018

I've been playing destro/resto melee magblade. It's surprisingly bursty. Most importantly it's also what I've had the most fun on this patch. The burst damage on it is just so high it's also just a lot faster than range magblade. I dropped healing ward for blessing of restoration. It's not the best heal in the game but it does have a 10k tooltip. it crits for almost 6k and it's basically the only burst heal available.

I think my biggest problem this patch is believing that I can still takes some of the hits I use to take but that's not the case. You are very burstable. It reminds me of playing magblade in the proc set meta. Were you had to severely outplay your opponent to get a kill. Luckily magblade does have the tools necessary to kill anyone you just have to be creative when it comes to survivability.

All in all I feel the magblade and shield nerfs were too much. Even heavy armor magblade took some nerfs. You just have to work twice as hard as the other classes to do anything now. Not to mention everyone in cyrodiil is a dk now

SubversusReformed · December 2018

thankyourat wrote: »

I've been playing destro/resto melee magblade. It's surprisingly bursty. Most importantly it's also what I've had the most fun on this patch. The burst damage on it is just so high it's also just a lot faster than range magblade. I dropped healing ward for blessing of restoration. It's not the best heal in the game but it does have a 10k tooltip. it crits for almost 6k and it's basically the only burst heal available.

I think my biggest problem this patch is believing that I can still takes some of the hits I use to take but that's not the case. You are very burstable. It reminds me of playing magblade in the proc set meta. Were you had to severely outplay your opponent to get a kill. Luckily magblade does have the tools necessary to kill anyone you just have to be creative when it comes to survivability.

All in all I feel the magblade and shield nerfs were too much. Even heavy armor magblade took some nerfs. You just have to work twice as hard as the other classes to do anything now. Not to mention everyone in cyrodiil is a dk now

I’ve has the most success with armor master necro willpower destro and monster set. I’d try heavy but cba to farm black rose prison...

kaithuzar · December 2018

thankyourat wrote: »

I've been playing destro/resto melee magblade. It's surprisingly bursty. Most importantly it's also what I've had the most fun on this patch. The burst damage on it is just so high it's also just a lot faster than range magblade. I dropped healing ward for blessing of restoration. It's not the best heal in the game but it does have a 10k tooltip. it crits for almost 6k and it's basically the only burst heal available.

I think my biggest problem this patch is believing that I can still takes some of the hits I use to take but that's not the case. You are very burstable. It reminds me of playing magblade in the proc set meta. Were you had to severely outplay your opponent to get a kill. Luckily magblade does have the tools necessary to kill anyone you just have to be creative when it comes to survivability.

All in all I feel the magblade and shield nerfs were too much. Even heavy armor magblade took some nerfs. You just have to work twice as hard as the other classes to do anything now. Not to mention everyone in cyrodiil is a dk now

I started using blessing of restoration with back bar defending asylum staff to try & help last patch because we knew most of this was coming from PTS patch notes.

My biggest issue is your statement about “now we have to work twice as hard”,
IMO we were already working twice as hard as most stam builds, mag dk, & mag sorc, so now this patch we’re actually working 3-4 times as hard to compete smh

Undefwun · December 2018

I miss the Minor Vitality on Swallow Soul and the initial burst heal on Healing Ward.

I swapped HW out and Blessing of Restoration in. 1v1 still a strong class and I've managed to throw some pretty clutch heals in BGs with 5k+ crits, so gained some utility.

Other than that still using the same gear setup since Dragon Bones.

My biggest gripe is the damn redundant Merciless buffing animation instead of firing the proc.

Build stack (with time remaining on the original buff or just refreshed), go to fire and he's waving his arms about instead of laying down the hurt. And as we all know with magblade you got that small window to burst and there is no time for that animation, especially with something like a DK or templar, who will bounce back to almost full health if you miss your opportunity.

HowlKimchi · December 2018

Dampen magicka and fortified brass is pretty good for destro/2h. Im running spinners destro frontbar and defending willpower greatsword backbar . Dampen gives us the oh *** "heal" we need while also having the snare immunity from forward momentum. With my setup I no longer need to rely on the buggy shadow image, and I still have space for cloak. Spinners and willpower are pretty decent for stacking magicka on backbar to a workable value for dampen since the 2 and 3 piece of spinners are both max magicka.

Think of dampen as a breath of light for the class, albeit a bit weaker, but with magblade hots, cloak, and fm, it's decent enough to get out of sticky situations in my experience. Have to be careful not to cast it too much else it'll drain our magicka fast. Just pop 1, and let troll king, swallow soul, refreshing path do its work.

I lose a bit of burst because I can no longer run infused spell damage glyph on my backbar weapon but I am a lot more slippery this way. Anyway, If I miss my infused spell damage glyph, I just switch my 2h to a resto, then change fm to shadow image.

MaxJrFTW · December 2018

Magblades have all banished from the game since Murkmire released. I don't play one so i don't know what's going on, but i've definitely noticed their absence.