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What will be done to fungal grotto exploiters ? Why I am punished and called toxic by not following?
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Mr_Walker✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »You are doing your Random Dungeon as intended. They are not.
However, they feel entitled to run an easier dungeon amd receive the rewards by using this glitch. Because it makes their life easier, they will justify it.
I've heard they're going to get a public flogging, but I don't think that goes far enough. I'm calling for the return of Mme. Guillotine....4 -
Vapirko✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭When a bug is abused by so many players, it becomes impossible to discipline.
I don't want to see anyone banned, but I think the way people are justifying abusing this bug speaks to why Western civilization is approaching a crisis. We have become experts at justifying all the improper things we do.
Abuse it all you like, but stop deluding yourselves into believing it might be intended.
I actually LOL’d at this. Now porting to FG1 has gone from maybe an exploit to the reason for the downfall of western civilization. Well that escalated quickly.10 -
Glurin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭disintegr8 wrote: »Oh no, I'm an exploiter - punish me!!!!!
My friend and I have been avoiding DLC dungeons during the event by ensuring one of us is on a low level character, or on our alt accounts with no DLC access. How dare we??????
That's not what people are talking about."He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster...when you gaze long into the abyss the abyss also gazes into you..."0 -
Glurin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭When a bug is abused by so many players, it becomes impossible to discipline.
I don't want to see anyone banned, but I think the way people are justifying abusing this bug speaks to why Western civilization is approaching a crisis. We have become experts at justifying all the improper things we do.
Abuse it all you like, but stop deluding yourselves into believing it might be intended.
I actually LOL’d at this. Now porting to FG1 has gone from maybe an exploit to the reason for the downfall of western civilization. Well that escalated quickly.
You've got it backwards. He's saying the justification for porting to FG1 is a symptom (or indicators of a symptom), not the cause.Edited by Glurin on December 6, 2018 1:47AM"He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster...when you gaze long into the abyss the abyss also gazes into you..."2 -
Colecovision✭✭✭✭✭
✭VaranisArano wrote: »You are doing your Random Dungeon as intended. They are not.
However, they feel entitled to run an easier dungeon amd receive the rewards by using this glitch. Because it makes their life easier, they will justify it.
Glitch? still really? you should at least say its your opinion a programming choice is a glitch.
The programmers made an objectively clear choice. It's binary. You pick or the computer picks. If you pick, using the same system, you don't get a reward. If the computer picks you do. People found a hole in the system and are exploiting it to gain the reward the system doesn't give you if you pick the dungeon. That's the function of the word exploit in video games.
Kudos to everyone exploiting the bad programming and acknowledging it. I'm with you that it's not a big deal. To everyone saying it's not an exploit, what on earth do you think an exploit is?2 -
Odnoc✭✭✭✭Facefister wrote: »PelinalWhitestrake wrote: »Hopefully more than just a simple slap on the wrist. Remove the rewards they got from their boxes or something.
Oh yes please! Remove the motifs we all already have - save my bank space.
Still won't help you clear Normal MOS for free skillpoint tho will it!? xD
Event is over today anyway - we can go back to doing a random vet a day with whoever falls in there or our guildies, and you can fade back into obscurity.
I've never once ported without whole group wanting to, and I've asked and also seen 2 other people ask 'I need skillpoint here can we stay?' and everyone stayed, no complaints.
So I don't know who you're playing with - but given the crass and nasty PM you sent me, I'd question whether or not the fault is with yourself.
Now he can go back moaning about instant-leavers when a DLC dungeon comes up.
This.
I ALWAYS stay and help people when I do my rando for the daily - even though 5/10 I'm basically soloing the thing, the rest it's me and one other player doing most the things - but I think from now on I will only Queue random vet with a preformed.
The entitlement to our time I've seen over these last few days when I know from experience that people have been cool with staying when someone wanted gear or a skillpoint or w/e - I just - whatever.
Not like people who stayed with porting group didn't get their motifs or whatever too.
I really do not know what kind of lives some people must have to be so ridiculous.
TIME is the MOST PRECIOUS commodity that any human has.
How anyone thinks they're entitled to anyone else's is far beyond me.
I reckon that some people just don't know how to ask nicely.
Same as staying for end of dungeon roleplay if you need skillpoint.
I find if I'm on a lowbie and ask nicely (Will anyone please stay with me a moment for skillpoint?
) someone ALWAYS has stayed.
If I happened to be in a group where one person didn't want to port, we stayed.
I really think some people just bring bad fortune upon themselves.
For some reason...many people on this forum seem to think that its ok to determine how I spend MY TIME and MY MONEY...very wierd phenomenon...
If your spending your time and money causing OTHERS to waste their time and money, then yeah, you're the problem. Otherwise, I'm pretty sure nobody cares what you do.Edited by Odnoc on December 6, 2018 1:50AM7 -
Mettaricana✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Jolipinator wrote: »If they ban or suspend all of those who "exploited", your queue times will last days.
There'll be noone left to play the game, the population is declining a lot as it is. No need to ban the people who are left
Tell me about it every guild a ghost town been tryin to run vet scalecaller for a 3 weeks not even a pug random...0 -
Salvas_Aren✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭If there is a severe discrepancy between fact and norm, you have two choices:- Increase incentive to stick to the norm, i.e. increase punishments.
- Cover the fact by a new norm.
I formulated this free from any moral constraints, it's a plain binary choice.
Nevertheless, I would love to see an official statement, that some players just found a hidden feature.
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Girl_Number8✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭PelinalWhitestrake wrote: »Hopefully more than just a simple slap on the wrist. Remove the rewards they got from their boxes or something.
Oh yes please! Remove the motifs we all already have - save my bank space.
Still won't help you clear Normal MOS for free skillpoint tho will it!? xD
Event is over today anyway - we can go back to doing a random vet a day with whoever falls in there or our guildies, and you can fade back into obscurity.
I've never once ported without whole group wanting to, and I've asked and also seen 2 other people ask 'I need skillpoint here can we stay?' and everyone stayed, no complaints.
So I don't know who you're playing with - but given the crass and nasty PM you sent me, I'd question whether or not the fault is with yourself.
If they sent you a nasty pm, report them so they get a temp ban on the forums as that is something Zos does do.
Edited by Girl_Number8 on December 6, 2018 2:56AM2 -
kargen27✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It gets irritating carrying people who have no idea how to play this game, it was ok at first but after 5000 my patience is thin for sub 5k dps.
Im not carrying bad players or 'casuals' through dlc stuff however I can solo fg1 easily so....
All the people that were wanting to stop the fast option have 1 or 2 characters to do stuff on, I have 25 so I like to speed through crap, boring, lazy content.
If you have a problem with people doing the fast way then don't do it but don't try to force us to play how you want us to for the carry!
So everybody needs to change the way they play the game to cater to you and your 25 characters? Who is forcing who in this scenario? You could have easily typed in guild chat asking for three other people to do a FG1 run. Some of my guild mates did that and it was much faster than sitting in a queue. If you thing the content is crap or boring maybe quit doing the content and let those that still enjoy the content play it as they see fit.
And if you don't want to play with people that aren't as good at the game as you are quit using the random group tool. It will make everybody much happier.
So the guy you're quoting should be forced to carry a team of folks who have no clue how the game works and waste an hour carrying a group through content they otherwise wouldn't get through? Or maybe just swap to fg1, complete it, and then Q again for another random with a different set of folks if you're dead set on doing an actual random? See, what gets me with you folks who are complaining is that nobody is actually taking ANYTHING away from yall by swapping to FG1. You're getting fast rewards and you are NOT locked out of running another random if that's what you're after.
No he can drop group. What you fail to see is you are making the same arguments folks like me are making. You are complaining about people making certain demands of the rest of the group while you area advocating a player making certain demands of the rest of the group.
And yes something is being taken away. Something that seems to be precious to the guy I quoted, time. He doesn't want to take the time to run a random dungeon (despite signing up for a random) and I don't want to take the time running FG1 just to get a chance to get back to the dungeon I really want to run.
You are assuming everyone using group finder is doing it for the sole purpose of getting the daily reward. Many players use the group finder to run pledges. If the pledge is Blackheart Haven they sign up for Blackheat Haven fully expected to run Blackheart Haven. He might be grouped with people that queued for a random dungeon. For them the run is random and for him it is the pledge he wants to run. Then everyone ports to FG1 leaving the player wanting the pledge with no option but to join them or take a 15 minute penalty before he can queue again. If he is DPS chances are he has set in queue for several minutes before even getting a group. Sure you can run FG1 in four minutes but you wasted not just those four minutes but all those minutes he was waiting to queue. So yeah it absolutely takes away from other players.
Players also join random groups while farming for gear. Maybe they want to run Crypt of Hearts four or five times hoping to complete an armor set. They queue for Crypt of Hearts and time and again have the rest of the group run off to FG1. That wastes all their time and I see no reason his time isn't as important as any other players.
When you queue for a random dungeon exploit or not you should either run the dungeon you are given or drop group. Taking advantage of the exploit does have an affect on the others on the group whether you see it or not.
The whole "wait until the event is over" argument I have seen in other threads is, well I'm having to censor myself here but it isn't a viable argument in any way. Basically you are telling people quit playing the game for a week so you can get a maximum amount of goodies with a minimal amount of effort.
Again people who wanted to just jump to FG1 could easily ask for a group in zone chat. It was quicker and that way you knew everyone in the group wanted to make the jump. The exploit is in the game and as it seems ZoS doesn't care neither do I. But just because you want to use the exploit that doesn't give you the right to assume everyone in your group wants to. Just because they agree to go doesn't mean they actually wanted to go. The choices being join us or be kicked really isn't much of a choice as all with the long queues that wait those who refuse to go.and then the parrot said, "must be the water mines green too."5 -
Alinhbo_Tyaka✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Jolipinator wrote: »If they ban or suspend all of those who "exploited", your queue times will last days.
That's why ZOS needs to fix this not by removing the ability to port to another dungeon but in the way the rewards are distributed. All ZOS needs to do is tie the special event rewards to the final boss of the dungeon assigned by the dungeon finder not any other dungeon someone might teleport to after entry. This way people will stick around or be forced to take the penalty if they want the reward but not hat particular dungeon. My guess is with a few exception dungeons most folks will stick around to get the reward.1 -
Alchemical✭✭✭✭✭Am I the only one who thinks that for the UNDAUNTED dungeon event the reward should have been for doing UNDAUNTED PLEDGES instead of randoms? It would have prevented the problem with the random dungeon finder not working in the first place and then exploiting it would have been impossible, since the bosses that you can get the reward from are already determined by the pledge rotation.
Seems like the easiest solution.7 -
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✭✭✭✭✭TimeWizard wrote: »I have 15 characters, a few can solo dlc dungeons but most aren't geared enough. I ran with complete premades when possible, when there were only 2 or 3 of us on we pugged the rest.
I did the FG1 trick for every single dungeon. I don't have time to run the long dungeons everytime, and I don't have the gear on a lot of them to feel useful in those dungeons. Porting to fungal 1 hurts nobody. It's a *** random dungeon event, if you want to do a specific dungeon find a group for it. Just expect that whoever you get in a queue wants to finish as fast as possible. I did not wait for group consensus before porting, but I always let the group know what was up.
And actually there were 2 times that I didn't port to FG1, and both of those times I got kicked from group for killing things too fast. If you want to rp please make a pre-made.
The problem is you are thinking of only the people participating in the event. Some players wanted to do the daily pledges so they signed up to the specific dungeon they needed. They sat in a queue and when they finally get into their preferred dungeon the group leaves. Kind of ironic that you say "if you want to do a specific dungeon find a group for it" when your entire post is about doing a specific dungeon and using the random group finder to do it. You want fungal grotto then maybe you should queue for it.
If you want the daily rewards for doing a random either go with preformed group that wants to make the jump or run the dungeon you were given. That is the advice you give everybody else.
So then, why queue in at all? If they're just doing it for their daily, they don't need to grab a random from the queuing system and can just walk in...unless they can't do it without help and were looking to use that person/people to make the dungeon go faster or to heal/tank for them. Also, why choose to do this now, of all times, when they have the rest of the year to do it...unless they were hoping to use the increased traffic from the event to get people to help them get through the dungeon.
At any other time, I'd completely back you up and will walk just about anyone through any dungeon they want, no questions asked. Not during this event though. This is just not the appropriate time to be doing that.
Now back to your regularly scheduled programming...
You are missing the point. Some people like to run the daily trials. They queue to run those trials. You are also assuming every person who queues to run the pledges is a DPS that must be carried. What does a tank or healer do when he wants to run a pledge and his guild mates/friends are not in game? He picks his dungeon and he waits for his group to be filled. He doesn't need to be carried he simply needs a group to run what is after all group content for the majority of players.
The wait until event is over idea would be akin to ZoS saying hey this week we are honoring PvP'rs so all the PvE zones will be offline for the week. Asking people to quit playing the part of the game they enjoy so you can be rewarded for doing the simplest content in the game that isn't right. People shouldn't be asked to quit playing the game the way they enjoy to accommodate others that just want a shortcut to rewards.and then the parrot said, "must be the water mines green too."2 -
BuddyAces✭✭✭✭✭
✭It gets irritating carrying people who have no idea how to play this game, it was ok at first but after 5000 my patience is thin for sub 5k dps.
Im not carrying bad players or 'casuals' through dlc stuff however I can solo fg1 easily so....
All the people that were wanting to stop the fast option have 1 or 2 characters to do stuff on, I have 25 so I like to speed through crap, boring, lazy content.
If you have a problem with people doing the fast way then don't do it but don't try to force us to play how you want us to for the carry!
So everybody needs to change the way they play the game to cater to you and your 25 characters? Who is forcing who in this scenario? You could have easily typed in guild chat asking for three other people to do a FG1 run. Some of my guild mates did that and it was much faster than sitting in a queue. If you thing the content is crap or boring maybe quit doing the content and let those that still enjoy the content play it as they see fit.
And if you don't want to play with people that aren't as good at the game as you are quit using the random group tool. It will make everybody much happier.
So the guy you're quoting should be forced to carry a team of folks who have no clue how the game works and waste an hour carrying a group through content they otherwise wouldn't get through? Or maybe just swap to fg1, complete it, and then Q again for another random with a different set of folks if you're dead set on doing an actual random? See, what gets me with you folks who are complaining is that nobody is actually taking ANYTHING away from yall by swapping to FG1. You're getting fast rewards and you are NOT locked out of running another random if that's what you're after.
No he can drop group. What you fail to see is you are making the same arguments folks like me are making. You are complaining about people making certain demands of the rest of the group while you area advocating a player making certain demands of the rest of the group.
And yes something is being taken away. Something that seems to be precious to the guy I quoted, time. He doesn't want to take the time to run a random dungeon (despite signing up for a random) and I don't want to take the time running FG1 just to get a chance to get back to the dungeon I really want to run.
You are assuming everyone using group finder is doing it for the sole purpose of getting the daily reward. Many players use the group finder to run pledges. If the pledge is Blackheart Haven they sign up for Blackheat Haven fully expected to run Blackheart Haven. He might be grouped with people that queued for a random dungeon. For them the run is random and for him it is the pledge he wants to run. Then everyone ports to FG1 leaving the player wanting the pledge with no option but to join them or take a 15 minute penalty before he can queue again. If he is DPS chances are he has set in queue for several minutes before even getting a group. Sure you can run FG1 in four minutes but you wasted not just those four minutes but all those minutes he was waiting to queue. So yeah it absolutely takes away from other players.
Players also join random groups while farming for gear. Maybe they want to run Crypt of Hearts four or five times hoping to complete an armor set. They queue for Crypt of Hearts and time and again have the rest of the group run off to FG1. That wastes all their time and I see no reason his time isn't as important as any other players.
When you queue for a random dungeon exploit or not you should either run the dungeon you are given or drop group. Taking advantage of the exploit does have an affect on the others on the group whether you see it or not.
The whole "wait until the event is over" argument I have seen in other threads is, well I'm having to censor myself here but it isn't a viable argument in any way. Basically you are telling people quit playing the game for a week so you can get a maximum amount of goodies with a minimal amount of effort.
Again people who wanted to just jump to FG1 could easily ask for a group in zone chat. It was quicker and that way you knew everyone in the group wanted to make the jump. The exploit is in the game and as it seems ZoS doesn't care neither do I. But just because you want to use the exploit that doesn't give you the right to assume everyone in your group wants to. Just because they agree to go doesn't mean they actually wanted to go. The choices being join us or be kicked really isn't much of a choice as all with the long queues that wait those who refuse to go.
Oh I totally get where people want to run the dungeon they Q up for, I'm just pointing out why the other side is doing what they are (porting to fg1). What gets me is when I joined a pug and it was DC1 and they wanted to port to FG1. I honestly could give a crap less because a normal is a normal to me. Why they wanted to save maybe 3 mins by porting to fg1 instead of just playing out DC1 was beyond me. Kind of stupid. I can see why folks don't want to do the DLC ones or like COA2 or BC2 etc etc etc. The rest though...anyone porting out of a vanilla dungeon to do FG1, well, kinda lame.
BTW, I've posted this before, I never once asked a group to go to FG1. I also never got "lucky" and got a dlc one as a random =pThey nerfed magsorcs so hard stamsorcs felt it,lol - Somber97866
I'm blown away by the utter stupidity I see here on the daily. - Wrekkedd0 -
heaven13✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I ran 9-10 characters a day. Even on low level ones, I still ended up in Fungal Grotto more than I would have cared to. Sometimes people asked and I'd say "I'm fine staying if someone needs this" - usually no one cared so I went with group. But a few times one person was already porting even before the other 3 had made it into dungeon in the first place. Those are the ones that are frustrating. I had a couple ports from WS1 and DC1 and I'm just...
I wasn't a fan of doing it and wouldn't ever suggest it myself. I think those that want to should definitely try to form in zone or at least ask first.PC/NAMountain God | Leave No Bone Unbroken | Apex Predator | Pure Lunacy | Depths Defier | No Rest for the Wicked | In Defiance of DeathMeet my characters :
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vAA HM | vHRC HM | vSO HM | vDSA | vMoL HM | vHoF HM | vAS+2 | vCR+2 | vBRP | vSS HM | vKA | vRGIT DOESN'T MATTER BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL THE SAME NOW, THANKS ZOS1 -
MasterSpatula✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭When a bug is abused by so many players, it becomes impossible to discipline.
I don't want to see anyone banned, but I think the way people are justifying abusing this bug speaks to why Western civilization is approaching a crisis. We have become experts at justifying all the improper things we do.
Abuse it all you like, but stop deluding yourselves into believing it might be intended.
I actually LOL’d at this. Now porting to FG1 has gone from maybe an exploit to the reason for the downfall of western civilization. Well that escalated quickly.
Actually, @zk is pretty damned astute here.
There's nothing particularly special about finding a workaround in the system in order to get rewards for something you didn't actually do. It's not good, but it's in the realms of normal human nature.
It's all the justification as to how people who do this aren't exploiting, Heck, they're not just trying to assert that they've done nothing wrong; they're making themselves the victims, the heroes, and anyone who has the audacity to suggest maybe you ought to just do the event the way it was intended is the villain of the story.
And that's a really excellent reflection, in microcosm, of the current crises in human society right now."A probable impossibility is preferable to an improbable possibility." - Aristotle5 -
ezio45✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Jolipinator wrote: »If they ban or suspend all of those who "exploited", your queue times will last days.
they would ban or suspend every person ik lol2 -
Feanor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭So much ado for so little.Main characters: Feanor the Believer - AD Altmer mSorc - AR 50 - Flawless Conqueror (PC EU)Idril Arnanor - AD Altmer mSorc - CP 217 - Stormproof (PC NA)Other characters:Necrophilius Killgood - DC Imperial NecromancerFearscales - AD Argonian Templar - Stormproof (healer)Draco Imperialis - AD Imperial DK (tank)Cabed Naearamarth - AD Dunmer mDKValirion Willowthorne - AD Bosmer stamBladeTuruna - AD Altmer magBladeKheled Zaram - AD Redguard stamDKKibil Nala - AD Redguard stamSorc - StormproofYavanna Kémentárí - AD Breton magWardenAzog gro-Ghâsh - EP Orc stamWardenVidar Drakenblød - DC Nord mDKMarquis de Peyrac - DC Breton mSorc - StormproofRawlith Khaj'ra - AD Khajiit stamWardenTu'waccah - AD Redguard StamplarAll chars 50 @ CP 1900+. Playing and enjoying PvP with RdK mostly on PC EU.4 -
ezio45✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Personally idk why people are upset about this lol
maybe id run dungeons normally if i didnt spend the last hr in que and still have 5 characters to do.2 -
Aliyavana✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭People complaining just trying to get a sneaky free dlc dungeon clear they wouldn't normally get.3 -
Thlepse✭✭✭Nothing, unless you wanna stay solo in the servers and farm all those materials for yourself.2 -
albesca✭✭✭✭✭Personally idk why people are upset about this lol
maybe id run dungeons normally if i didnt spend the last hr in que and still have 5 characters to do.
I did only one random dungeon a day with my main during the event, twice I ended in a DLC dungeon with a group (me included) unable to make it through, both times the group disbanded after a few wipes and I ended requeueing and doing a non-DLC dungeon. The whole process (from initial queue to dungeon done) took between one hour and one hour and a half of my daily two hours gaming time; I guess that doing that on all my characters (or at least the five ones I actually use) would take pretty much the whole day, so I understand those who try to save as much time as they can.
Still, I find the idea of doing FG1 up to eight (fifteen?) times a day for a week pure madness, and the rewards not worth the hassle, and I think that trying to earn every single reward you can theoretically get in events like this means turning a game into a mind numbing chore, getting overly stressed in the process; that would explain some of the responses I'm reading here, I guess.
Everyone has the right to play the game he payed for as he sees fit, as long as it's doing single player activities; when you group together with others you have to take into account their wishes too.PC EU
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Mureel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭The issue is that fungal dungeon is the easiest fastest run dungeon it’s the reason that everyone goes to that dungeon first but is the most annoying run I have
Fungal 1 is designed so you can skip bosses 3 & 4 which annoys me because It’s the one dungeon I probably don’t have the all bosses achievements because people just keep skipping these bosses
Fungal 2 is just as bad because people skip boss 3 all the time so again no achievements there for my characters
The solution is simple block the jump up area and make it so if you jump in the water the only way back up is either near to where they jump off or you have to go all the way back to the beginning and run back and also make the pledge count bosses 3 & 4 in to the pledge so they can’t be skipped
Boss 3 is actually an interesting fight as you have to not kill adds to make the boss die faster so it a good test of skill for the group
But the issue is that it’s a quick dungeon to do because you can skip half the map
Just solo it ffs. is FG 1.Edited by Mureel on December 6, 2018 10:45AM0 -
Arciris✭✭✭✭✭
✭MasterSpatula wrote: »When a bug is abused by so many players, it becomes impossible to discipline.
I don't want to see anyone banned, but I think the way people are justifying abusing this bug speaks to why Western civilization is approaching a crisis. We have become experts at justifying all the improper things we do.
Abuse it all you like, but stop deluding yourselves into believing it might be intended.
I actually LOL’d at this. Now porting to FG1 has gone from maybe an exploit to the reason for the downfall of western civilization. Well that escalated quickly.
Actually, @zk is pretty damned astute here.
There's nothing particularly special about finding a workaround in the system in order to get rewards for something you didn't actually do. It's not good, but it's in the realms of normal human nature.
It's all the justification as to how people who do this aren't exploiting, Heck, they're not just trying to assert that they've done nothing wrong; they're making themselves the victims, the heroes, and anyone who has the audacity to suggest maybe you ought to just do the event the way it was intended is the villain of the story.
And that's a really excellent reflection, in microcosm, of the current crises in human society right now.
The thing here is that not one thread was opened to state it wasn't an exploit. However, several threads were opened asking for some sort of punishment for those who "exploited".
Since only ZOS can define in their created virtual/fantasy world what is an exploit or is not (just look at what happened with Animation Canceling), people are simply surprised that some people decided to:
1. Outright define it as an exploit.
2. From that premise that it is an exploit, they are asking, almost demanding,that people should be punished for it.
Maybe what is symptomatic of that so called crisis (not sure this is a new phenomenon anyway) in the Western culture. is that some people think they are the chosen ones who can define what is right and what is wrong, with absolute certainty.
And not only do they think in absolute terms they are absolutely right(eous), they also seem to think that whomever doesn't abide by their vision of the world should be punished, and the harsher the better.
It's the "pitch and forks, burn'em all witches!" mentality that is frightening in my opinion.
Not the people saying "yeah, it might be an exploit, but it's a completely harmless one so no need to be draconian about it"
On one side you have the minds that only deal with absolutes and are strictly intolerant about the other side, trying to enforce their position by ... force (punishment)
On the other side you have the minds that deal with complex realities and try to add relativism and nuances to the black/white vision of the world, accepting doubt as a natural part of the human condition.5 -
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✭Facefister wrote: »
Some GM on the german forums already stated that it isn't intentional but they also wont take any steps against the "exploiters"
the reason is probably pretty simple....they cant ban half of the community, or the game would go rip instantly xD
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As I read all I see here are upset people that haven't gone with the easy route, where the ones that went for it did not suffer any consequences.
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AlboMalefica✭✭✭✭If ZoS has actually communicated correctly before & throughout this event then most probably wouldn’t have jumped to fungal grotto, as the communities experience with exploits is ZoS tend to be pretty quick to point them out or at least say “we’re investigating”
This event, unfortunately, was the worse one I’ve seen in a very long time in terms of performance & communication (I won’t go into details of my ridiculously bad rng) so I feel it seems redundant to retroactively punish people for something they were not told what to do1 -
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✭✭✭rosendoichinoveb17_ESO wrote: »As I read all I see here are upset people that haven't gone with the easy route, where the ones that went for it did not suffer any consequences.
Picture this. You join a marathon and just as the race starts the racer next to you runs over to the go-kart track located nearby and completes a single lap. The judges hand him the first place trophy for the marathon along with the $20,000 cash prize.
Do you really not see a problem here?"He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster...when you gaze long into the abyss the abyss also gazes into you..."0 -
DLM✭✭✭✭✭Enemoriana wrote: »UppGRAYxDD wrote: »This is a limited time event and will be over today...
There is a free week next...
Which should mean more low level players around which also means low level dungeons.0