The issue is that fungal dungeon is the easiest fastest run dungeon it’s the reason that everyone goes to that dungeon first but is the most annoying run I have

Fungal 1 is designed so you can skip bosses 3 & 4 which annoys me because It’s the one dungeon I probably don’t have the all bosses achievements because people just keep skipping these bosses

Fungal 2 is just as bad because people skip boss 3 all the time so again no achievements there for my characters

The solution is simple block the jump up area and make it so if you jump in the water the only way back up is either near to where they jump off or you have to go all the way back to the beginning and run back and also make the pledge count bosses 3 & 4 in to the pledge so they can’t be skipped

Boss 3 is actually an interesting fight as you have to not kill adds to make the boss die faster so it a good test of skill for the group

But the issue is that it’s a quick dungeon to do because you can skip half the map

I have 15 characters, a few can solo dlc dungeons but most aren't geared enough. I ran with complete premades when possible, when there were only 2 or 3 of us on we pugged the rest.
I did the FG1 trick for every single dungeon. I don't have time to run the long dungeons everytime, and I don't have the gear on a lot of them to feel useful in those dungeons. Porting to fungal 1 hurts nobody. It's a *** random dungeon event, if you want to do a specific dungeon find a group for it. Just expect that whoever you get in a queue wants to finish as fast as possible. I did not wait for group consensus before porting, but I always let the group know what was up.
And actually there were 2 times that I didn't port to FG1, and both of those times I got kicked from group for killing things too fast. If you want to rp please make a pre-made.

kathandira wrote: »

OsManiaC wrote: »

1. I couldn't find dungeons first day due to group finder broken
2. I couldn't get into game second day due to steam login problem
3. Even all these things I did not follow group members when they tp to fungal grotto because from my point of view it is wrong
4. I waited for 15 minutes to re-queue while these people finished their map and entered another fg1.
5. My precious time for finding a dungeon + loading screens + inside dungeon + queue + loading screens lost.

Clearly why I am the problem here? Why I am called the toxic in the community?

I reported those people tp to fg. If they are doing nothing wrong, then am I abusing the report system?

Until ZOS comes out and says that this is not the intended functionality, it is fair game. For better or for worse.

Yup.

And they will probably leave it the way it is since there is no

Left4Daud wrote: »

therift wrote: »

The best answer I read came from another thread on this topic. Wish I could find it to give the poster proper credit:

"You were trying to cross the street during a parade"

@therift

That was a great analogy from @Merlin13KAGL in this thread.

Credit where credit is due, and all that.

Many thanks, friend!!

I ask if we wanna go fungal, if not I stay and complete as normal

People who dont ask are jerks but asking to do a faster dungeon isnt the ultimate crime

What will be done to fungal grotto exploiters?
Nothing, too many people are doing it and its ambiguous to whether its really an exploit or not, plus there are a lot of people who are porting purely because the group is saying to them "port to me" who most likely have no idea its something that isn't suppose to happen.

Why I am punished and called toxic by not following?
Don't know why you would be called "toxic" but you are being kicked or punished because other people want you to follow them to do the dungeon faster, when you say no especially as a Healer or Tank it then takes several minutes to find a replacement when the entire point of porting to FG1 is to do the dungeon the fastest.

iiYuki wrote: »

Nothing, too many people are doing it and its ambiguous to whether its really an exploit or not, plus there are a lot of people who are porting purely because the group is saying to them "port to me" who most likely have no idea its something that isn't suppose to happen.

BS. It's not ambiguous at all. The point of the random dungeon queue is that you are placed into and rewarded for completing a random dungeon. This has the added challenge and reward for confronting an unknown element in your dungeon run, as well as increasing the supply of people who are in line for specific dungeons since the random queue can be used to fill specific dungeon groups. Porting to a specific dungeon after the group is formed completely undermines the random dungeon system and you should not be receiving any random dungeon rewards for doing so.

To be clear, I don't have a problem with porting to a different dungeon. That part is not an exploit and is actually a good thing to be able to do. What is an exploit is receiving the random dungeon rewards after doing so. When you port to another dungeon, the random reward should be disabled until you get back in line and are sent to another random dungeon.

zyk wrote: »

When a bug is abused by so many players, it becomes impossible to discipline.

I don't want to see anyone banned, but I think the way people are justifying abusing this bug speaks to why Western civilization is approaching a crisis. We have become experts at justifying all the improper things we do.

Abuse it all you like, but stop deluding yourselves into believing it might be intended.

First, it might not be a bug, it might have been designed that way, although the developers didn't foresaw the un-intended use players would make of it.

Second, they are other ways to workaround the randomness of the random dungeon finder, they just imply more loading screens. And all the other ways are legitimate, as you cannot force a player to do something they don't want to do (you are free to drop any dungeon or any group anytime).

Third, pretty much any group of 4, except brand new players, is able to complete any vanilla normal dungeon with ease (I can solo all of them for example).

Conclusion: the "exploit" is merely a time/loading screen saver, that's all.
There is no "risk" involved in the Random Normal at all, not even the DLC ones. Just different time commitments.

I agree that the Western civilization might be coming to a crisis (for a lot of reasons) and one of them might be that people are not even able to tell the difference between what is good, what is wrong, and what is insignificant.
And to me, people trying to save time in a video game, for an event that gives cosmetic rewards with no competitive advantage at all, is pretty much insignificant.

And if some people think a player's behavior in a video game reflects their "morals" or "ethics" or "virtue" in the real world, you might have not noticed that our "heroes" are all thieves, murderers, hunters, "kill" other people in PvP etc etc and that all that preaching is therefore falling into deaf ears

TimeWizard wrote: »

I have 15 characters, a few can solo dlc dungeons but most aren't geared enough. I ran with complete premades when possible, when there were only 2 or 3 of us on we pugged the rest.
I did the FG1 trick for every single dungeon. I don't have time to run the long dungeons everytime, and I don't have the gear on a lot of them to feel useful in those dungeons. Porting to fungal 1 hurts nobody. It's a *** random dungeon event, if you want to do a specific dungeon find a group for it. Just expect that whoever you get in a queue wants to finish as fast as possible. I did not wait for group consensus before porting, but I always let the group know what was up.
And actually there were 2 times that I didn't port to FG1, and both of those times I got kicked from group for killing things too fast. If you want to rp please make a pre-made.

The problem is you are thinking of only the people participating in the event. Some players wanted to do the daily pledges so they signed up to the specific dungeon they needed. They sat in a queue and when they finally get into their preferred dungeon the group leaves. Kind of ironic that you say "if you want to do a specific dungeon find a group for it" when your entire post is about doing a specific dungeon and using the random group finder to do it. You want fungal grotto then maybe you should queue for it.
If you want the daily rewards for doing a random either go with preformed group that wants to make the jump or run the dungeon you were given. That is the advice you give everybody else.

kargen27 wrote: »

Stebarnz wrote: »

It gets irritating carrying people who have no idea how to play this game, it was ok at first but after 5000 my patience is thin for sub 5k dps.
Im not carrying bad players or 'casuals' through dlc stuff however I can solo fg1 easily so....
All the people that were wanting to stop the fast option have 1 or 2 characters to do stuff on, I have 25 so I like to speed through crap, boring, lazy content.
If you have a problem with people doing the fast way then don't do it but don't try to force us to play how you want us to for the carry!

So everybody needs to change the way they play the game to cater to you and your 25 characters? Who is forcing who in this scenario? You could have easily typed in guild chat asking for three other people to do a FG1 run. Some of my guild mates did that and it was much faster than sitting in a queue. If you thing the content is crap or boring maybe quit doing the content and let those that still enjoy the content play it as they see fit.

And if you don't want to play with people that aren't as good at the game as you are quit using the random group tool. It will make everybody much happier.

So the guy you're quoting should be forced to carry a team of folks who have no clue how the game works and waste an hour carrying a group through content they otherwise wouldn't get through? Or maybe just swap to fg1, complete it, and then Q again for another random with a different set of folks if you're dead set on doing an actual random? See, what gets me with you folks who are complaining is that nobody is actually taking ANYTHING away from yall by swapping to FG1. You're getting fast rewards and you are NOT locked out of running another random if that's what you're after.

kargen27 wrote: »

TimeWizard wrote: »

I have 15 characters, a few can solo dlc dungeons but most aren't geared enough. I ran with complete premades when possible, when there were only 2 or 3 of us on we pugged the rest.
I did the FG1 trick for every single dungeon. I don't have time to run the long dungeons everytime, and I don't have the gear on a lot of them to feel useful in those dungeons. Porting to fungal 1 hurts nobody. It's a *** random dungeon event, if you want to do a specific dungeon find a group for it. Just expect that whoever you get in a queue wants to finish as fast as possible. I did not wait for group consensus before porting, but I always let the group know what was up.
And actually there were 2 times that I didn't port to FG1, and both of those times I got kicked from group for killing things too fast. If you want to rp please make a pre-made.

The problem is you are thinking of only the people participating in the event. Some players wanted to do the daily pledges so they signed up to the specific dungeon they needed. They sat in a queue and when they finally get into their preferred dungeon the group leaves. Kind of ironic that you say "if you want to do a specific dungeon find a group for it" when your entire post is about doing a specific dungeon and using the random group finder to do it. You want fungal grotto then maybe you should queue for it.
If you want the daily rewards for doing a random either go with preformed group that wants to make the jump or run the dungeon you were given. That is the advice you give everybody else.

So then, why queue in at all? If they're just doing it for their daily, they don't need to grab a random from the queueing system and can just walk in...unless they can't do it without help and were looking to use that person/people to make the dungeon go faster or to heal/tank for them. Also, why choose to do this now, of all times, when they have the rest of the year to do it...unless they were hoping to use the increased traffic from the event to get people to help them get through the dungeon.

At any other time, I'd completely back you up and will walk just about anyone through any dungeon they want, no questions asked. Not during this event though. This is just not the appropriate time to be doing that.

Now back to your regularly scheduled programming...

zyk wrote: »

Arciris wrote: »

First, it might not be a bug, it might have been designed that way, although the developers didn't foresaw the un-intended use players would make of it.

There's not much to say that hasn't been said already. People like you are going to keep clinging to the extremely tenuous belief that this is intended. Besides, ZOS has basically confirmed it is not intended.

And if some people think a player's behavior in a video game reflects their "morals" or "ethics" or "virtue" in the real world, you might have not noticed that our "heroes" are all thieves, murderers, hunters, "kill" other people in PvP etc etc and that all that preaching is therefore falling into deaf ears

I didn't say anything about the morals involved in exploiting this particular bug. All I said is stop deluding yourselves into believing it's plausibly intended when it's obviously not.

If you're exploiting it because you think it's no big deal to do so, then say so.

It is the same mechanism that people use to justify all of the improper things they do, from cheating in video games to cheating on their spouses -- or cheating on their spouses in a video game.

1. I never said it was intended, on the contrary. I just don't think it is a bug.
2. You talked about the "improper" things we do, "improper" implies morals, as in good versus bad,
3. If you think it is the same mechanism, you are wrong. It's like saying an actor who is acting as a serial killer will then proceed into a murder spree.
You are playing a video game that rewards killing and stealing, do you kill and steal in real life? I sure don't.
Because I know the difference between a virtual/fantasy world and the Real World.

Just to finish: is it an exploit if I group with a level 10 EP character to get a guaranteed FG1? Is it an exploit if I politely inform a group that I do not have the time to run that particular dungeon, apologize and wish them good luck and drop the group just to log into a different character and queue again?