Aliyavana wrote: »

SpacemanSpiff1 wrote: »

Aliyavana wrote: »

Mureel wrote: »

Ourorboros wrote: »

OsManiaC wrote: »

1. I couldn't find dungeons first day due to group finder broken
2. I couldn't get into game second day due to steam login problem
3. Even all these things I did not follow group members when they tp to fungal grotto because from my point of view it is wrong
4. I waited for 15 minutes to re-queue while these people finished their map and entered another fg1.
5. My precious time for finding a dungeon + loading screens + inside dungeon + queue + loading screens lost.

Clearly why I am the problem here? Why I am called the toxic in the community?

I reported those people tp to fg. If they are doing nothing wrong, then am I abusing the report system?

How many alts do you have? For those with many alts, FG runs were the most efficient way to get ?box on as many alts as possible. Blame Zos for the give-away and creating a reason to take short-cut, especially with lots of alts to rotate.

and the thing is I recon they did it this way to limit the boxes because of all the MOTIF MARKET!!!! whining from last year when you could just do any daily and get the Mysterious Box.

Snowflakes gonna meltdown no matter what. Just accept it and move on.

I am just gonna pass by these threads from now on - IDK why I do this to myself lol xD

Ya but it let's you know how many pugs feel entitled for a dlc dungeon run when they snipe in the back doing 3k dps

Ive seen a lot of this mentality: "Everyone that doesn't change dungeons when I say so is terrible and just looking for a carry". I hope ZOS fixes random rewards just because of this ***.

In not carrying pugs through dlc dungeons, the first pull tells you a lot about how it will turn out. My time is valuable as well. If pugs want to have their groups disbanded due to not being ready for dlc content they can waste their own time.

Want to streamline the reward boxes-don't pug. Make a group that wants to port to FG every time.

Vapirko wrote: »

How many of these threads are people gonna make?

I think 5.

Facefister wrote: »

Katahdin wrote: »

With the mounds of salt that keeps getting dropped over this, there won't be any water left in Fungal Grotto

I can't believe people are so upset over this

Because people are upset that their sneaky attempt to get a carry through a vet DLC-dungeon didn't work.

yes, it's all the pugs' faults. not the people that insist on changing dungeons, bullying people that don't want to.

people queuing for normal random aren't looking for a vet dlc clear.

therift wrote: »

The best answer I read came from another thread on this topic. Wish I could find it to give the poster proper credit:

"You were trying to cross the street during a parade"

@therift

That was a great analogy from @Merlin13KAGL in this thread.

Credit where credit is due, and all that.

cheifsoap wrote: »

SpacemanSpiff1 wrote: »

Want to streamline the reward boxes-don't pug. Make a group that wants to port to FG every time.

So its okay for you to tell people how to play the game but its not okay for them to tell others how to play the game?

Really ZOS needs to deal with this and not make it the problem of the players, however, they're not quite the same.

If 4 people join the RDF all 4 are consenting to the random challenge. If 2 decide that they do not want to continue and port to FG1 the 2 left behind are now forced to follow, clear the dungeons they're currently in without the other 2 players, or leave, none of which were part of the original agreement. Kicking obviously isn't an option. The scenario turns from one where four individuals consented to two that are forcing a choice on the other two.

If this condition did not exist, the 2 players that did not want to continue on would simply leave because they can't and shouldn't be forced to do the content either, the difference is that they could be replaced and the 2 that wanted to continue aren't forced to do anything other than wait for a replacement.

Its less about me telling you how to play and more about you removing the option for me play at all unless its what you decide. That of course is an indefinite you.

ZOS needs to deal with it, it's their mess. Either state that it is or isn't allowed and move on. Remaining ambiguous on this issue is only going to make it worse.

Fleshreaper wrote: »

SpacemanSpiff1 wrote: »

cheifsoap wrote: »

SpacemanSpiff1 wrote: »

Want to streamline the reward boxes-don't pug. Make a group that wants to port to FG every time.

So its okay for you to tell people how to play the game but its not okay for them to tell others how to play the game?

porting from the given dungeon is deviating from the intended purpose of the random queue. if they want to do dungeons their own special way, they can make their own group.

Take your own advice and form your own group. Stop telling players to play your way or don't play.

Someone's salty poeple don't want to cheese FG with them.

Doing Fungal Groto 1 a thousand times is just as "random" as the RNG Zos uses for their drop rates of good and worthwhile items, so fair is fair, imo.

SpacemanSpiff1 wrote: »

Fleshreaper wrote: »

SpacemanSpiff1 wrote: »

cheifsoap wrote: »

SpacemanSpiff1 wrote: »

Want to streamline the reward boxes-don't pug. Make a group that wants to port to FG every time.

So its okay for you to tell people how to play the game but its not okay for them to tell others how to play the game?

porting from the given dungeon is deviating from the intended purpose of the random queue. if they want to do dungeons their own special way, they can make their own group.

Take your own advice and form your own group. Stop telling players to play your way or don't play.

Someone's salty poeple don't want to cheese FG with them.

The only time I ran FG during the event was the one time that it actually popped up for me. Thanks for the laughs, I find the QQ funny.

Do we really need another thread on this topic? Really?

OsManiaC wrote: »

1. I couldn't find dungeons first day due to group finder broken
2. I couldn't get into game second day due to steam login problem
3. Even all these things I did not follow group members when they tp to fungal grotto because from my point of view it is wrong
4. I waited for 15 minutes to re-queue while these people finished their map and entered another fg1.
5. My precious time for finding a dungeon + loading screens + inside dungeon + queue + loading screens lost.

Clearly why I am the problem here? Why I am called the toxic in the community?

I reported those people tp to fg. If they are doing nothing wrong, then am I abusing the report system?

Look, I don't think you're being toxic. I get that you're frustrated, and I would be too, if I were the type to try to farm dungeons during a dungeon queueing event. I'm not though, because I know there is a time and place for everything, and I am perfectly capable of waiting until after the event to take care of any farming or Undaunted lvling. I do however think you're not looking at this from other viewpoints, and you've tunneled in to your own very subjective feelings about this, rather than trying to understand why people would use this feature (And it is a feature. It's been around a lot longer than most people know).

Imagine you have 2 hours to play every night after getting home from work and taking care of your adulting responsibilities. Imagine you want to take part in this very fun event and you have a large number of active characters that you can potentially run through these dungeons. You think, "I'll just queue in, and hope we get something easy-ish so I have time to run more than 1-2 through before I have to get off". Lo and behold, you queue into Scalecaller with some people who clearly will never be able to complete the content (not their fault, it's a difficult dungeon). You and two of the others (bless you, you awesome strangers, for your agreeable and mature natures) are totally willing to port over to FG1 so you can just complete the event requirements, but one stubborn person refuses and says they want to try this dungeon.

So now, you have the option of either pounding your head against a wall by carrying these three through, taking up your entire evening and potentially not even finishing before your time is up, or you can drop queue and hope the broken system lets you back in after 15 minutes to try again, while you still risk hitting this same barrier with another person. Maybe you soldier on and try again, or maybe you just give up and decide that you don't get to enjoy this event because there will always be that one stubborn holdout who wants a carry or who wants the group to adhere to their wishes above all else. There is a final option, which sounds kinda heinous and is something you will never do, but you know you could kick the holdout and hope someone else will be more agreeable. You also know there are some people who will do this without thinking twice, even though you believe in giving people the chance to be decent humans rather than just dismissing them. It sucks, but you get why it happens.

TLDR; I don't have the free time to dedicate to playing through this event by your very rigid, unyielding principles. I also have just as much right as you to enjoy this event and its rewards on my own terms. You demanding that I, and many many others, be punished for using a long-standing feature feels really petty and small, and is a horrible way to convince people to do things your way (not to mention a terrible way to behave). I also know things are not as terrible as you're making it out to be. I queue with no fewer than 7-8 characters on any given day, and I have only actually traveled to FG1 a grand total of 3 times over the course of this entire event. At one point, two people asked to travel, but the third said they needed the dungeon for their daily, and we all soldiered on for that one person because they were really cool and polite about it, and we ripped through that dungeon relatively quickly anyway. I think a lot of the anti-FG1 posters are likely just being intensely over-dramatic about the whole thing, and it's getting to be tiresome listening to their complaining.

MasterSpatula wrote: »

therift wrote: »

The best answer I read came from another thread on this topic. Wish I could find it to give the poster proper credit:

"You were trying to cross the street during a parade"

Funny, but it was more like trying to cross the street when you had the Walk signal during an illegal drag race.

So the person is an entitled-feeling idiot?

Dawnblade wrote: »

I don't care one way or the other - I've just gone with the group majority.

If most want to port somewhere else - I go where they go.

If most want to run whatever pops - I either stick around and run it (most normal dungeons) or drop if its a harder DLC and the group doesn't seem up to speed.

What I don't do is *** and complain that three other people didn't follow me and do what I wanted to do.

This. I did Scalecaller and Bloodroot and such during the event. I also let people pull me into FG. Why do you care so much? Personally I hate events and my method normally for doing Random dungeons is to pick up the daily pledge because odds are if you do all 3 you'll at least get 1 of those dungeons done randomly.

Majority rules in the groupfinder, but it's the opposite in the forum.

"well if you can't beat them join them" if you had joined them you would have been done in 10 minutes and could have then done something else I don't like this exploit either but at the same time theirs nothing really wrong with it. lol

xan4silkb14_ESO wrote: »

Incognitius wrote: »

*sigh*

This whole thing would not have been an issue if this UNDAUNTED event was tied to the UNDAUNTED pledges.
You would be able to bypass the broken dungeon finder (advantage 1), and could just chose one of the three of that days' pledges on the difficulty level you want (advantage 2), and could combine getting your keys/undaunted XP with the reward boxes (advantage 3).

For next year, make this happen.

Yes, but then truly new players wouldn't be able to fully participate until they got their characters above level 45. I don't think anything was level gated in Clockwork City Event. I don't believe that the Witches Festival was either, although I've not done any of the trials or arenas, so don't really know if those are gated behind a specific level.

Good point. In that case a drop at final boss would be best. Leaving everything to determine for themselves how and what dungeon to do. And ease the strain on the dungeon finder.