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If PUGs bothered you during the event, you're the concern
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mague✭✭✭✭✭OtarTheMad wrote: »I agree with the OP, some players tend to take running dungeons (especially normal) a little too seriously. I was in a dungeon the other day on one of my tanks and it happened to land on, I think, Fang Lair normal. The entire time one of the players kept whining and complaining (and being a little rude) because I did not know all the mechanics. I told them that I didn't really do DLC dungeons, I did that dungeon once before and it was when it first came out and I was DPS. He didn't like that answer so I just left and went back to PvP and had fun doing that. We were doing just fine in the dungeon too, kind of breezing thru it really.
I just don't get some people sometimes honestly. Makes me just want to stay in PvP and not deal with these entitled players. My other times I did the normal que it went just fine, got thru the dungeon quickly and easily and exchanged dropped sets. Not a bad event but honestly next year I think I might just skip it, nothing ZOS can offer me will make it worth dealing with players who just forget that everyone was new at something in the game once.
Well, the unknown requires more bravery then skill
But PvP has its fair share of "entitled" too !1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I did the event just enough to get enough tickets to be able to get an indrik when the New Life Festival starts on the 13th.
After that, I bowed out and stopped doing dungeons completely. There was way too much negativity and nonsense going on. One guy wanted to switch to do Fungal Grotto .... when the random dungeon we got was Spindleclutch I. On normal. Literally just as easy as Fungal Grotto.
I should have just asked him point-blank if he was incapable of doing Spindleclutch I on normal.
Three other times, I had to deal with the run-ahead guys, who were there just to solo the dungeons and didn't give a flying fart about anyone else. They'd run ahead with every intention of killing the last boss without the rest of the group there, so no one would get credit for the dungeon run but them unless you were able to keep up. (Note: I was able to keep up. Not everyone else was, though.) Came across three people like this.
The event boxes just weren't worth the aggravation. Easily the least-fun event ESO has all year.Edited by SydneyGrey on December 5, 2018 7:30AM1 -
Mureel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Following is a general comment not aimed at anyone, so don't get all bu.tthurt.
There are two major problems, not given in any order.- People who forget this is a game and not an endeavor anyone should consider as a meaningful life achievement.
- People who quite purposefully decide not to configure their alts for dungeons, but who do them anyway because "I must have stuff."
The first suggests immaturity or a break with reality, the second is endemic to narcissistic disregard for others.
Again, I'm not singling out anyone, but if the shoe fits ...
and that is exactly WHY people are porting to FG1 - because once a day that is painful but tolerable. We just do the carry and call it a day.
When people want to get all their chars through and everyone is all *not rly a dps lul, this my storage alt lul* in some long thing like NICP - aw hell naw.
We all went in a group and just stack together for all our chars and subbed in as need be - but making clear - bring w/e you want because this group ports. If you don't wanna port, do not +.
I need to just like blank any topics related to event anymore xD2 -
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Yes, had not had issues with that during this event but the previous ones it was a couple ala headless chickens in Darkshade 2 and CoH2.I’m only frustrated with PUGs when I can’t seem to communicate with anyone in the group, voice and text, to offer suggestions if the group is struggling.
Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.0 -
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✭✭✭✭AbysmalGhul wrote: »Pugs always bother me
Don't pug and stay in school kids
I've met some great people in pugs. Everyone always says this in online game... oooh, don't group with randoms, but the good generally outweigh the bad, in my experience.1 -
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✭✭I ran through half dozen toons yesterday. Only one fail because I forgot and quad both normal and vet. Got vet falkreath. It did not go well. The rest had at least one other guild member in. We que as tank and healer, went through and nuked everything.
My only gripes are the group finder not working right for half the event. And the time it took to leave group and then log out to swap toons. It was much faster to close the game then re start and log a different toon.0 -
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✭✭Pugs bother me greatly. Every day in fact. They nestle under one's door and make those snorty noises (really, they're like little piglets), and also they look at you with those button-eyes and every time you there they topple over and ask you to rub their tummy, and of course I never have heart to deny them.
...really though, I've had good experience, even though I didn't run that much with fully random teams. Mostly nice people, and even when we get DLC, it's still good time, I never mind wiping for a while in good company. (Yes, when I'm in a game, I do have some free time - I mean, if I had work on cancer cure put on hold, I probably wouldn't have been in the game to begin with.) Yes, sometimes there are those eerily silent, goal-oriented rushed runs that leave me feeling really awkward, but luckily they're few and far between.1 -
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✭✭✭I love people coming on here and saying "I offer advice, and pugs don't listen". Laying all the blame on the other person, whilst ignoring the reality. The reality is, the manner in which that advice is handed out is more often than not condescending or irritating in the extreme. I'm not the person receiving the words of wisdom, yet the person giving it usually ends up irritating me or getting my back up. It's obvious many people who are easily irked by people not really understanding mechanics are those people who are socially awkward in real life and it shows. Shows big time.
Of course, it's never your fault. Always easier to blame others than admit your own shortcomings. After all, who is going to come on here and admit they were the ***? Granted, there are probably times that the people doing it don't actually have the self awareness to see that they lack basic social skills.
I wish there was a mute option to mute one person in the party because I have no desire to listen to these people. I suspect the person who is getting it in the neck is purposely ignoring them too. Quite rightly too.
Edited by Prof_Bawbag on December 5, 2018 12:29PM1 -
MrGraves✭✭✭✭If you go into group finder without a full party you're also a pug to the other random people you get in group with so if you hate pugs... Might wanna think about that. IDK.
I've had more good pug groups than bad really. and by good i mean... players behaving... like decent people.
I dont normally run things like random dailies much. Occasionally to level a character but i prefer to play with my friends generally. During The Event though. Mostly decent people. Usually the lower leveled people or the people who don't "Know The Game As Well" are much funner to play with. Only issues I've had with random groups really is the guys that just charge through all the mobs to get to boss without a word/port to FG1 without even a word and make so you can't finish the random daily cause they already did in another instance and that sort of thing. (bonus points if they are also rude about it)
I've also had people acting a bit.... rude to other players in the group. Chasing them off and bullying them bc they 'don't have good dps' when they clearly aren't max level. Those ones are kinda... unsavoury... Most of the people are fine though but there's a handful of like really entitled people that I get grouped with occasionally. But sometimes they act so awful that it just makes me not want to play with randoms at all. Even if it's just the few that do the stuff that I don't like.1 -
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✭Prof_Bawbag wrote: »I love people coming on here and saying "I offer advice, and pugs don't listen". Laying all the blame on the other person, whilst ignoring the reality. The reality is, the manner in which that advice is handed out is more often than not condescending or irritating in the extreme. I'm not the person receiving the words of wisdom, yet the person giving it usually ends up irritating me or getting my back up. It's obvious many people who are easily irked by people not really understanding mechanics are those people who are socially awkward in real life and it shows. Shows big time.
Of course, it's never your fault. Always easier to blame others than admit your own shortcomings. After all, who is going to come on here and admit they were the ***? Granted, there are probably times that the people doing it don't actually have the self awareness to see that they lack basic social skills.
I wish there was a mute option to mute one person in the party because I have no desire to listen to these people. I suspect the person who is getting it in the neck is purposely ignoring them too. Quite rightly too.
I’m not following. So when you are in a group and the group keeps wiping and you know the reason why the group is wiping, you are supposed to just stay quiet and hope they eventually figure it out on their own?PS4 Pro NA1 -
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alanmatillab16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭People who take normal dungeons with random groups seriously are the ones that get competitive in the egg and spoon race.
If you want to group with a "proper" group then make your own with guildies or friends. Simples, assuming you actually find other players that want to group with you.2 -
Reistr_the_Unbroken✭✭✭✭✭
✭Hmmm... another thread that will be catching fire soon enough.
Bashing people who think in a different way will never end in constructive criticism. Not everyone has 5 extra minutes, or has the patience to deal with people who don't taunt properly, etc.
I do, but not everyone has. And it's their right to be that way. When we queue with roles in mind, we expect others to do their job. Today, for example, I queued for a normal random with a weak healer I have. The random was March Of Sacrifices. I straight up quit. I knew I would compromise my team with weak healing. Having common sense is good sometimes.
Quotes like yours and this one below are exactly why I and probably a few others avoid dungeons and refuse to go in them as a new player.BANK_IT_HERE wrote: »Do you know how tiring it is to get into a group in a long dungeon with a bunch of lowbies or skill-less people and painfully try to go through it? Or even worse, get stuck in a DLC dungeon where mechanics matter...or on my tank where all the dps die? Sometimes I ran with 3 people I knew wanted the same quick answer to this event. Sometimes I didn't and tried to queue on my own...and it's awful. I only have 7 toons, but don't have time to go through DLC dungeons with people who can't kill anything or who are always dead. Imagine those trying to do that on more. I don't have 15 hours to go through that.
But you had to complain about a good thing.
At least if ZOS listens to the whiners about this, then next time don't make people sign up for the random daily.
Because they read crap like this and it makes them feel worthless about themselves as a player.
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✭I don't understand why people complain about pugs. If you dont like them, dont run them....between 5 guilds and a friends list with 100 person cap, you should have access to 1000 people for a premade. make a premade...queue for a random...voila, no pugs needed. Its not that hard to put a 4 person group together out of 1000 people if you struggle in pugs.1 -
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✭5 extra mins per dungeon
25 characters
125 mins
5 days
625 mins
10+ hours
Nope!Edited by Stebarnz on December 5, 2018 9:12PM1 -
xan4silkb14_ESO✭✭✭✭SydneyGrey wrote: »Three other times, I had to deal with the run-ahead guys, who were there just to solo the dungeons and didn't give a flying fart about anyone else. They'd run ahead with every intention of killing the last boss without the rest of the group there, so no one would get credit for the dungeon run but them unless you were able to keep up. (Note: I was able to keep up. Not everyone else was, though.) Came across three people like this..
This irritates me. I only have one character that I take through dungeons and that's my main and its a tank. Probably not the best, but decent enough so far in all the dungeons I've done. Only DLC I've done is Imperial City Prison. Anyway, I usually try to go ahead and aggro the mobs, taunt the boss, normal tanky things and get better at my role if I ever try Vet dungeons. But a few times I'm running to catch up with the DDs because I guess they've played long enough to not care about any of the normal loot and can melt most of the mobs without me. Sometimes, they'll try running right past all the random mobs on the way to the boss and I have to hope they'll get slowed up enough that I can catch up. I guess it shaves valuable seconds off their time spent when they have slightly larger bunches.
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iiYuki✭✭✭✭✭Hmmm... another thread that will be catching fire soon enough.
Bashing people who think in a different way will never end in constructive criticism. Not everyone has 5 extra minutes, or has the patience to deal with people who don't taunt properly, etc.
I do, but not everyone has. And it's their right to be that way. When we queue with roles in mind, we expect others to do their job. Today, for example, I queued for a normal random with a weak healer I have. The random was March Of Sacrifices. I straight up quit. I knew I would compromise my team with weak healing. Having common sense is good sometimes.
I completely agree. I see a lot of people berating and calling others all sorts of names because they dont want to carry someone, I didn't grind BIS gear, learn the mechanics off by heart to each dungeon BEFORE entering them, level my CP to max to carry people who cant be arsed to invest some time into the game.
Its not a particularly popular opinion because anyone who kicks people who cannot preform their role to the lowest standards or spends 2 hours re doing easy bosses because your group can't do mechanics is toxic."Play how you want... unless its not how we intended you to play in which case we'll nerf it".
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✭LaveniaRose wrote: »
I lol'd at this, you got me. I think ESO has given me the ability to turn off my brain, my job requires pretty intense mental activity for 6-8 hours a day so my escape is doing content that enables me to kind of switch off.
Like Einstein did his best work as a patent clerk which occupied the menial task part of his brain leaving his higher brain free to figure the universe out, I'm much the same except for the genius physicist part because I haven't figured much out yet.0 -
Fleshreaper✭✭✭✭✭5 extra mins per dungeon
25 characters
125 mins
5 days
625 mins
10+ hours
Nope!
To be honest, that's YOUR problem, not everyone else's. In reality NO ONE gives a flip about you "having" to run 25 characters. That's on you and only on you. You should probably only run with pre-mades, cause events like this are not going to go well for you and you should know this and expect it.3 -
I think what the op is getting at is at 810 CP none of the dungeons in the randomised should be an issue when selecting normal difficulty
We kicked a a tank today from blackheart haven why ... Was he finish ... Not sure
We had made it to the third boss before we realised he had ported to fungal grotto ... Really was that necessary
Being 810 does not mean none of the dungeons should be an issue there are many caped cp players who are still only hitting 10k in addition expecting a carry when there are higher cp players in the group is ignorant.0 -
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✭✭Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »Hmmm... another thread that will be catching fire soon enough.
Bashing people who think in a different way will never end in constructive criticism. Not everyone has 5 extra minutes, or has the patience to deal with people who don't taunt properly, etc.
I do, but not everyone has. And it's their right to be that way. When we queue with roles in mind, we expect others to do their job. Today, for example, I queued for a normal random with a weak healer I have. The random was March Of Sacrifices. I straight up quit. I knew I would compromise my team with weak healing. Having common sense is good sometimes.
Quotes like yours and this one below are exactly why I and probably a few others avoid dungeons and refuse to go in them as a new player.BANK_IT_HERE wrote: »Do you know how tiring it is to get into a group in a long dungeon with a bunch of lowbies or skill-less people and painfully try to go through it? Or even worse, get stuck in a DLC dungeon where mechanics matter...or on my tank where all the dps die? Sometimes I ran with 3 people I knew wanted the same quick answer to this event. Sometimes I didn't and tried to queue on my own...and it's awful. I only have 7 toons, but don't have time to go through DLC dungeons with people who can't kill anything or who are always dead. Imagine those trying to do that on more. I don't have 15 hours to go through that.
But you had to complain about a good thing.
At least if ZOS listens to the whiners about this, then next time don't make people sign up for the random daily.
Because they read crap like this and it makes them feel worthless about themselves as a player.
This is called throwing the baby out with the bath water. Random people's opinions on the internet shouldn't have any bearing on your sense of self-worth.
The first quote in your post isn't negative. They left the group because they felt THEY would compromise the team. The rest about not everyone having the patience or even desire to help is true. They don't owe you anything. Its neither positive nor negative, its reality. Some people seem to forgotten that they were once new, but still, they can't be forced to help. Appreciate the ones that are helpful and pass it on.
There are many good players that use the RDF and many are helpful.0
