If PUGs bothered you during the event, you're the concern

HazelRose · December 2018

With all the ranting going on in the "random fg1" threads, I'm astounded by other players bad luck with PUGs.

Somehow, I managed to complete normal dungeons on almost all of my 15 toons each day without any hate tells, group arguements, or hissy fits. I even managed to avoid that with snipe spammers, dlc dungeons, and dark flare spamming dps. Even more shocking, I managed that with average dps and completing each dungeon in under 15-20 minutes.

So if you just can't handle carrying anyone else through a dungeon, other players having a lower dps than you, a tank that's struggling, or your dungeon taking an extra 5 minutes. Please do everyone else a favor and take a break. No reward in the game is worth getting that worked up about. I'd recommend logging out and doing something new. Upon returning, please enjoy those normal dungeons once again without rushing, complaining, a sense of entitlement, or the need to critique all players just not up to your par. Nobody cares about your skills and that's okay.

Tholian1 · December 2018

I’m only frustrated with PUGs when I can’t seem to communicate with anyone in the group, voice and text, to offer suggestions if the group is struggling.

Latios · December 2018

Hmmm... another thread that will be catching fire soon enough.

Bashing people who think in a different way will never end in constructive criticism. Not everyone has 5 extra minutes, or has the patience to deal with people who don't taunt properly, etc.

I do, but not everyone has. And it's their right to be that way. When we queue with roles in mind, we expect others to do their job. Today, for example, I queued for a normal random with a weak healer I have. The random was March Of Sacrifices. I straight up quit. I knew I would compromise my team with weak healing. Having common sense is good sometimes.

Tholian1 · December 2018

Latios wrote: »

Hmmm... another thread that will be catching fire soon enough.

Bashing people who think in a different way will never end in constructive criticism. Not everyone has 5 extra minutes, or has the patience to deal with people who don't taunt properly, etc.

I do, but not everyone has. And it's their right to be that way. When we queue with roles in mind, we expect others to do their job. Today, for example, I queued for a normal random with a weak healer I have. The random was March Of Sacrifices. I straight up quit. I knew I would compromise my team with weak healing. Having common sense is good sometimes.

Tank is more important than healer in MoS.

Kel · December 2018

I never understood the problem with "carrying" some players. I should say, at least as long as everything is going fine and bosses are dying and the dungeon is moving along.
It gives me faith in my build and I feel a certain pride in what I've put together and how it wrecks....it's a good feeling.
I'll never feel the need to critique or criticize someone else...there's only two DPS, and I've never run anything anywhere when the two dps were neck & neck when it came to damage output.

Pugs are pugs.
If you go into them thinking it's some leaderboard run...you are definitely the problem.
Not up to your standards? Run your own group...
Easy as that...

Latios · December 2018

Tholian1 wrote: »

Latios wrote: »

Hmmm... another thread that will be catching fire soon enough.

Bashing people who think in a different way will never end in constructive criticism. Not everyone has 5 extra minutes, or has the patience to deal with people who don't taunt properly, etc.

I do, but not everyone has. And it's their right to be that way. When we queue with roles in mind, we expect others to do their job. Today, for example, I queued for a normal random with a weak healer I have. The random was March Of Sacrifices. I straight up quit. I knew I would compromise my team with weak healing. Having common sense is good sometimes.

Tank is more important than healer in MoS.

I only ran it once, veteran, as DPS. I don't have enough experience to heal it. Also, when I mean weak healer, I really mean it. It's a writ slave that I made into a healer just to run normals during the event, with DPS gear, but a resto on backbar with the proper skills. Anything harder than the easy, base game dungeons, I'm not going due to the risk.

Enemoriana · December 2018

LaveniaRose wrote: »

Somehow, I managed to complete dungeons on almost all of my 15 toons each day without any hate tells, group arguements, or hissy fits. I even managed to avoid that with snipe spammers, dlc dungeons, and dark flare spamming dps. Even more shocking, I managed that with average dps and completing each dungeon in under 15-20 minutes.

You was lucky. Some are not.

I was kicked today for not being real tank. Well, I really wasn't, just slotted (and used) taunt, but... we were normally doing it even without fourth member... it was normal Wayrest Sewers I... seriously?!

SugaComa · December 2018

I think what the op is getting at is at 810 CP none of the dungeons in the randomised should be an issue when selecting normal difficulty

We kicked a a tank today from blackheart haven why ... Was he finish ... Not sure

We had made it to the third boss before we realised he had ported to fungal grotto ... Really was that necessary

disintegr8 · December 2018

There is a reason I usually avoid PUG's and some of you people are seeing the problem for the first time - it has always been there.

My friend and I have kicked several fake tanks and a couple of fake healers during this event. I would rather complete a dungeon with only 2 or 3 in a group than carry a fake. We also left several groups where there were the other 2 were both not doing their jobs.

I'm happy to take 2 or 3 new players through a dungeon, and don't need people to be perfect or know their role as well as they should in a Vet trial, as long as they try and fulfill their selected role. But a tank with no taunt and a resto staff, a healer who turns into a werewolf at the first boss, come on people.

Mr_Walker · December 2018

LaveniaRose wrote: »

With all the ranting going on in the "random fg1" threads, I'm astounded by other players bad luck with PUGs. I didn't realize there were so many individuals out there incapable of efficiently completing any normal dungeon.

Somehow, I managed to complete dungeons on almost all of my 15 toons each day without any hate tells, group arguements, or hissy fits. I even managed to avoid that with snipe spammers, dlc dungeons, and dark flare spamming dps. Even more shocking, I managed that with average dps and completing each dungeon in under 15-20 minutes.

So if you just can't handle carrying anyone else through a dungeon, other players having a lower dps than you, a tank that's struggling, or your dungeon taking an extra 5 minutes. Please do everyone else a favor and take a break. No reward in the game is worth getting that worked up about. I'd recommend logging out and doing something new. Upon returning, please enjoy those normal dungeons once again without rushing, complaining, a sense of entitlement, or the need to critique all players just not up to your par. Nobody cares about your skills and that's okay.

You're awesome opie. Maybe you should start your own business, and teach others to be awesome like you. You're wasted here on this forum, we're not worthy.

I would like to sincerely thank the good lord that I am here on this earth at the same time as you are. What a time to be alive!

Enemoriana · December 2018

disintegr8 wrote: »

There is a reason I usually avoid PUG's and some of you people are seeing the problem for the first time - it has always been there.

My friend and I have kicked several fake tanks and a couple of fake healers during this event. I would rather complete a dungeon with only 2 or 3 in a group than carry a fake. We also left several groups where there were the other 2 were both not doing their jobs.

I'm happy to take 2 or 3 new players through a dungeon, and don't need people to be perfect or know their role as well as they should in a Vet trial, as long as they try and fulfill their selected role. But a tank with no taunt and a resto staff, a healer who turns into a werewolf at the first boss, come on people.

If fake tanks are real dd, what do you "carry"? Normal dungeons from base game even don't need all roles, 4 dd can do it quickly and easily - even better than group with real tank and heal. Fake tank may not do tank role but is still doing what is needed to finish dungeon.
In vet - yes, no place for fake roles. In dlc - depends on group. In base normal? That's just stupid.

FrancisCrawford · December 2018

disintegr8 wrote: »

There is a reason I usually avoid PUG's and some of you people are seeing the problem for the first time - it has always been there.

My friend and I have kicked several fake tanks and a couple of fake healers during this event. I would rather complete a dungeon with only 2 or 3 in a group than carry a fake. We also left several groups where there were the other 2 were both not doing their jobs.

I'm happy to take 2 or 3 new players through a dungeon, and don't need people to be perfect or know their role as well as they should in a Vet trial, as long as they try and fulfill their selected role. But a tank with no taunt and a resto staff, a healer who turns into a werewolf at the first boss, come on people.

I had a run (Elden Hollow 1) with two werewolves (one of them the alleged tank), plus a healer who kept DCing. We zoomed through without problems. I think. Or maybe I was the healer; I don't even remember. Whatever. Usually I heal. Low-quality groups actually give me something to heal. So do high-DPS players speed-running normal FG1. (I just don't have anything to do for very LONG.

)

I also had a group that ignored all sensible mechanics in CoH 2 -- but finished in under 15 minutes.

It's all good.

Karmanorway · December 2018

I agree with OP, until i get vSP with random fake roles with ppl who have never been there before

Bouldercleave · December 2018

I've been able to solo quite a few of the non DLC dungeons and I am NOT, I repeat - NOT anywhere near an elite player. Mind you, I'm not talking vet dungeons, just normal.

I don't get how four randoms of anything can't get it done. If four people can't finish FG1, you are hindering each other in some way.

valthierX · December 2018

You can only be so lucky when you get into a group and someone happens to proclaim himself as the "know-it-all" and if he isn't followed, refuses to play, becomes a whiner and calls everyone a noob.

DaveMoeDee · December 2018

Enemoriana wrote: »

LaveniaRose wrote: »

Somehow, I managed to complete dungeons on almost all of my 15 toons each day without any hate tells, group arguements, or hissy fits. I even managed to avoid that with snipe spammers, dlc dungeons, and dark flare spamming dps. Even more shocking, I managed that with average dps and completing each dungeon in under 15-20 minutes.

You was lucky. Some are not.

I was kicked today for not being real tank. Well, I really wasn't, just slotted (and used) taunt, but... we were normally doing it even without fourth member... it was normal Wayrest Sewers I... seriously?!

I converted some DPS to tanks for the event, but at least I respeced them.

WldKarde · December 2018

I'm in no way a great player...

No REALLY! Just ask any of the people in my favorite guild who run trials with me

But I have to say that sometimes when I PUG...

https://youtu.be/Dg7X5_K7LhE

But for the most part the groups I get aren't that bad.

But then again, sometimes....see above

ChunkyCat · December 2018

You completed DLC dungeons in 15-20 minutes?

Enemoriana · December 2018

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

Enemoriana wrote: »

LaveniaRose wrote: »

Somehow, I managed to complete dungeons on almost all of my 15 toons each day without any hate tells, group arguements, or hissy fits. I even managed to avoid that with snipe spammers, dlc dungeons, and dark flare spamming dps. Even more shocking, I managed that with average dps and completing each dungeon in under 15-20 minutes.

You was lucky. Some are not.

I was kicked today for not being real tank. Well, I really wasn't, just slotted (and used) taunt, but... we were normally doing it even without fourth member... it was normal Wayrest Sewers I... seriously?!

I converted some DPS to tanks for the event, but at least I respeced them.

Taunt and not die. What else is needed from tank in normal dungeon? Buffs are nice thing, but not really needed there. Damn, I easily can do at least half of them solo!

Tanky dd is much more useful than real tank in random normal.
That was my second dungeon for that day. In first I - as tank again - did from 40 to 77% of group damage. And I'm not even good dd... Most times during this event it was 30-35% for my main character.

I don't queue as tank with characters that can't taunt or outlive boss attention without help. For this event there is one exception, but she is just lowlevel and simply doesn't have skills opened yet.

AlnilamE · December 2018

Enemoriana wrote: »

disintegr8 wrote: »

There is a reason I usually avoid PUG's and some of you people are seeing the problem for the first time - it has always been there.

My friend and I have kicked several fake tanks and a couple of fake healers during this event. I would rather complete a dungeon with only 2 or 3 in a group than carry a fake. We also left several groups where there were the other 2 were both not doing their jobs.

I'm happy to take 2 or 3 new players through a dungeon, and don't need people to be perfect or know their role as well as they should in a Vet trial, as long as they try and fulfill their selected role. But a tank with no taunt and a resto staff, a healer who turns into a werewolf at the first boss, come on people.

If fake tanks are real dd, what do you "carry"? Normal dungeons from base game even don't need all roles, 4 dd can do it quickly and easily - even better than group with real tank and heal. Fake tank may not do tank role but is still doing what is needed to finish dungeon.
In vet - yes, no place for fake roles. In dlc - depends on group. In base normal? That's just stupid.

But if you don't run the dungeons properly on normal, people will not learn the mechanics and then they become a problem when they try to run vet. So if you are with guildies, do whatever you want. But if you are pugging with inexperienced players, killing everything without showing people what they are supposed to do will create future problems.

Minyassa · December 2018

Enemoriana wrote: »

disintegr8 wrote: »

There is a reason I usually avoid PUG's and some of you people are seeing the problem for the first time - it has always been there.

My friend and I have kicked several fake tanks and a couple of fake healers during this event. I would rather complete a dungeon with only 2 or 3 in a group than carry a fake. We also left several groups where there were the other 2 were both not doing their jobs.

I'm happy to take 2 or 3 new players through a dungeon, and don't need people to be perfect or know their role as well as they should in a Vet trial, as long as they try and fulfill their selected role. But a tank with no taunt and a resto staff, a healer who turns into a werewolf at the first boss, come on people.

If fake tanks are real dd, what do you "carry"? Normal dungeons from base game even don't need all roles, 4 dd can do it quickly and easily - even better than group with real tank and heal. Fake tank may not do tank role but is still doing what is needed to finish dungeon.
In vet - yes, no place for fake roles. In dlc - depends on group. In base normal? That's just stupid.

My under-50 healer is specced specifically for healing, and did very well with several groups, so I know it was not me when I got into a group with a DD slotted as tank and they failed to draw aggro and keep it off me, resulting in my being targeted by bosses and getting continually melted. We wiped numerous times because of the utter failure to taunt. That's not my standing in stupid or failing to dodge roll when a beam is targeted on me that should have been pointed away from the group. So because of a fake tank, a stupid easy basic dungeon got stretched out well beyond a reasonable time. I don't find it unreasonable to find that irritating.

OldManJim · December 2018

I did a few PUGs during the event & they were all great. They were happy to give & listen to advice where needed.

Ryath_Waylander · December 2018

If fake tanks are real dd, what do you "carry"? Normal dungeons from base game even don't need all roles, 4 dd can do it quickly and easily - even better than group with real tank and heal. Fake tank may not do tank role but is still doing what is needed to finish dungeon.
In vet - yes, no place for fake roles. In dlc - depends on group. In base normal? That's just stupid.

Actually This is true. Experienced it in a rnorm yesterday. Tank ported in with dual swords and 15k health. However, we were 3 friends that queued for a 4th player in random. I had a DD with a resto on the backbar for emergencies, our one friend was a lvl 47 max cp healer and the other a magblade with some self heals slotted. Wierdly enough it still worked fine. The extra healing kept the "tank" alive and his dps helped melt bosses fast enough that the dungeon was still a walk in the park. A good experience in not autokicking a fake role. Ofc you'd not get away with that in Vet

HazelRose · December 2018

ChunkyCat wrote: »

You completed DLC dungeons in 15-20 minutes?

It's on normal. With the group finder changes a few patches ago, I was mostly grouped with players >350 CP. And I did get lucky, I didn't run into a player that repeated a mechanics mistake more than once (i.e. standing right next to the snake in Arx Corinium while it heals to full). So really yes, they weren't any different from running COA2, VOM, or any dungeon of comparable length.

Enemoriana · December 2018

Minyassa wrote: »

My under-50 healer is specced specifically for healing, and did very well with several groups, so I know it was not me when I got into a group with a DD slotted as tank and they failed to draw aggro and keep it off me, resulting in my being targeted by bosses and getting continually melted. We wiped numerous times because of the utter failure to taunt. That's not my standing in stupid or failing to dodge roll when a beam is targeted on me that should have been pointed away from the group. So because of a fake tank, a stupid easy basic dungeon got stretched out well beyond a reasonable time. I don't find it unreasonable to find that irritating.

Well, that not situation "I would rather complete a dungeon with only 2 or 3 in a group than carry a fake". It's not carrying at all. If group can't do dungeon with fake roles - yes, somebody needs to be replaced. I was asking about situation when group can do it.

AlnilamE wrote: »

But if you don't run the dungeons properly on normal, people will not learn the mechanics and then they become a problem when they try to run vet. So if you are with guildies, do whatever you want. But if you are pugging with inexperienced players, killing everything without showing people what they are supposed to do will create future problems.

Teaching people is nice, but dungeon event is not time for this.
Also, normal dungeons doesn't really teach. What can be learned if you easily can ignore mechanics and stay in red all the time? It can be done with any normal group, even without some running forward highlevel dd.
Once I was trying to explain boss mechanic to my friend. There were only two of us, and I have quite low dps, despite of high cp.
...we killed him faster than it worked.

Abigail · December 2018

Following is a general comment not aimed at anyone, so don't get all bu.tthurt.

There are two major problems, not given in any order.

People who forget this is a game and not an endeavor anyone should consider as a meaningful life achievement.
People who quite purposefully decide not to configure their alts for dungeons, but who do them anyway because "I must have stuff."

The first suggests immaturity or a break with reality, the second is endemic to narcissistic disregard for others.

Again, I'm not singling out anyone, but if the shoe fits ...

cambergang · December 2018

I’ve been kick a couple of times it kinda funny it not like I need anyone else in the group it take me a total of 7 min to complete fg1 solo so the group find is just another why to push stupid *** on people. I just do it with me and a friend now so I can’t get kick for going to fg1 I’m not In here doing it for the undaunted I’m here motif end of story.

OtarTheMad · December 2018

I agree with the OP, some players tend to take running dungeons (especially normal) a little too seriously. I was in a dungeon the other day on one of my tanks and it happened to land on, I think, Fang Lair normal. The entire time one of the players kept whining and complaining (and being a little rude) because I did not know all the mechanics. I told them that I didn't really do DLC dungeons, I did that dungeon once before and it was when it first came out and I was DPS. He didn't like that answer so I just left and went back to PvP and had fun doing that. We were doing just fine in the dungeon too, kind of breezing thru it really.

I just don't get some people sometimes honestly. Makes me just want to stay in PvP and not deal with these entitled players. My other times I did the normal que it went just fine, got thru the dungeon quickly and easily and exchanged dropped sets. Not a bad event but honestly next year I think I might just skip it, nothing ZOS can offer me will make it worth dealing with players who just forget that everyone was new at something in the game once.

Mureel · December 2018

LaveniaRose wrote: »

With all the ranting going on in the "random fg1" threads, I'm astounded by other players bad luck with PUGs.

Somehow, I managed to complete normal dungeons on almost all of my 15 toons each day without any hate tells, group arguements, or hissy fits. I even managed to avoid that with snipe spammers, dlc dungeons, and dark flare spamming dps. Even more shocking, I managed that with average dps and completing each dungeon in under 15-20 minutes.

So if you just can't handle carrying anyone else through a dungeon, other players having a lower dps than you, a tank that's struggling, or your dungeon taking an extra 5 minutes. Please do everyone else a favor and take a break. No reward in the game is worth getting that worked up about. I'd recommend logging out and doing something new. Upon returning, please enjoy those normal dungeons once again without rushing, complaining, a sense of entitlement, or the need to critique all players just not up to your par. Nobody cares about your skills and that's okay.

I agree with you in theory; but Vet and Not Random - I never really 'enjoy' random normals - only because I've done them for years straight.

mague · December 2018

I did the event on a PvP spec'd healer and all was fine. No FG1 zoning. Moon Hunter they wanted to kick a CP66 but we kept him and all worked out fine.

Eliahnus · December 2018

LaveniaRose wrote: »

With all the ranting going on in the "random fg1" threads, I'm astounded by other players bad luck with PUGs.

Somehow, I managed to complete normal dungeons on almost all of my 15 toons each day without any hate tells, group arguements, or hissy fits. I even managed to avoid that with snipe spammers, dlc dungeons, and dark flare spamming dps. Even more shocking, I managed that with average dps and completing each dungeon in under 15-20 minutes.

So if you just can't handle carrying anyone else through a dungeon, other players having a lower dps than you, a tank that's struggling, or your dungeon taking an extra 5 minutes. Please do everyone else a favor and take a break. No reward in the game is worth getting that worked up about. I'd recommend logging out and doing something new. Upon returning, please enjoy those normal dungeons once again without rushing, complaining, a sense of entitlement, or the need to critique all players just not up to your par. Nobody cares about your skills and that's okay.

Who do you think you are ?