People porting to Fungal Grotto at the beginning of the dungeon...

ZarkingFrued · December 2018

Sure make it so that we dont have to que a random daily, just complete any dungeon once per day on a character. Otherwise deal with it til the event is over

ZarkingFrued · December 2018

starkerealm wrote: »

Alinhbo_Tyaka wrote: »

I think I was in that dungeon with you. I don't like the dungeon swapping either nor the wasted time before I can queue again after dropping group.

Again, if someone ports without making sure everyone agrees, kick them.

I can understand the value, for groups that legitimately cannot clear a piece of content, having access to alternate options in the dungeon finder. Though, at that point, I think a better solution would be allowing a non-DLC only option.

In this event, I've randomed into MHK twice, BRF, Falk (I think), and Cradle. One of those MHK runs was with a group that, legitimately, couldn't clear. And, I've had people in freaking Blackheart saying, "port to FG1." ****ING Blackheart Haven. That's not even hard.

Not a matter of hard, matter of time. FG1 takes no time. When you have a job you'll understand one day. Personally I just find like minded guides to port FG1 for my 9 characters

Ackwalan · December 2018

If ZOS would be more consistent with their own TOS, this would not be a problem. Flipping a resource for AP was ignored, then at a flip of a switch, it was a punishable offense. I'm not saying porting to FG1 and resource AP flipping are the same, I'm saying ZOS needs to stand by their own TOS. As long as some "exploiting" is ignored and some is punishable, some people will continue to ignore the TOS which will just cause more problems.

TeamSeinfeld · December 2018

I didn’t even know this was possible to do. Until this weekend. Queued for random, assigned to Tempest Island. Message from tank to port to him for quick run. I figured (not sure why or how) that he was waiting at final boss. I port to him and he’s at the start of FG 1. Very odd. Had no issue with it, but I assumed this was some issue with the group finder!

golfgirl89 · December 2018

starkerealm wrote: »

Alinhbo_Tyaka wrote: »

I think I was in that dungeon with you. I don't like the dungeon swapping either nor the wasted time before I can queue again after dropping group.

Again, if someone ports without making sure everyone agrees, kick them.

I can understand the value, for groups that legitimately cannot clear a piece of content, having access to alternate options in the dungeon finder. Though, at that point, I think a better solution would be allowing a non-DLC only option.

In this event, I've randomed into MHK twice, BRF, Falk (I think), and Cradle. One of those MHK runs was with a group that, legitimately, couldn't clear. And, I've had people in freaking Blackheart saying, "port to FG1." ****ING Blackheart Haven. That's not even hard.

You can only kick someone if you have 3 people agree, usually if someone ports they usually have a friend with them that will not let you kick them. Blackheart Haven is not hard but it is long and people are trying to get thru all their characters without having to do dungeons for 17 hours everyday.

Jameliel · December 2018

I got qued into half finished Moon Hunter Keep 3 times yesterday as a tank. Lowbies there wanted to learn the mechanics and run it for whatever reason. This nonsense needs to stop. Dungeon finder needs more options...period. I'd like to run a fast dungeon, get my daily box and be done with it. Not spend hours and hours running long dungeons and carrying others. I don't mind carrying people at times, as I'm carried by my pve buddies in some harder content. There is a time for everything. During an event for dungeon boxes is not the time for me to waste hours in long dungeons with no incentive.

ChunkyCat · December 2018

The Fungal Grotto event is my favorite event.

Sheezabeast · December 2018

A part of me wonders if anyone would be complaining, if ZOS had never nerfed Viper

Rylisin · December 2018

I just got queued into a nFL not too long ago on my healer, and found the rest of the group was below CP 160 with one 49. They were unsure about it and they decided to go into Fungal Grotto because it'd be an easier run for them. Only issue was the tank went afk without telling us and we had to kick after 15 min of waiting as we all had other things we wanted to do.

The dungeon finder should have an option to opt out of DLC dungeons, especially in events like these or an option for 'fast dungeon' where you know you'll be grouped into the easy ones like FG or BC. I don't know if it's really an exploit though, as I didn't even know it was possible until today with this group but tbh I'm glad they did. nFL would of taken so much longer, especially when you've got people learning the mechanics.

Sorry to hear that other plays are being utterly rude about it to some players here and not asking beforehand if the entire group is okay with it. If one player tp's out then just kick them or if you can go with some friends and pug whoever you're missing.

Fur_like_snow · December 2018

This wouldn’t even be a discussion if the event was over with. The problem is the event itself creates the situation where players are looking for the most efficient means of collecting that carrot on a stick reward box.

Everyone is bringing out their crafting mules so I can see a situation where the group couldn’t finish a DLC dungeon opting for something easier like elden hollow or FG1. Assuming everyone agrees who cares? Otherwise stick to premades for the best result if you’re just farming gear.

kargen27 · December 2018

Chicharron wrote: »

It seems that the "hardocre" players are the most selfish, they believe that the game should revolve around them.

Do you not see the irony of this statement? You are advocating forcing players into a certain dungeon based only on how easy it is to complete to get a reward with very little effort and calling others selfish.

Hal_Moore · December 2018

It is an obvious exploit...Where are the bans?

kargen27 · December 2018

p00tx wrote: »

Why is everyone assuming this isn't already working as intended? Maybe they [Zos] knows, but have left it this way to let players circumvent the whole random DLC issue. I honestly don't think there is anything wrong with it. It is not the job of high level players to carry every curious low level through the more difficult dungeons, and this option lets us off the hook for that unpleasant possibility. I will carry my friends and guildmates through three at a time (not that most of my guildies need any sort of carry), no questions, but a perfect stranger? Far less likely.

I am genuinely sorry that some of you got stuck with jerks who didn't communicate properly or who were just being pushy, and that really sucks that happened to you. It's even worse that many of you got stuck with a time-out because of this, and I absolutely agree that the penalty should not exist because of the potential for this scenario.

In spite of that, you have three other people in that dungeon with you (all probably trying to hustle 12 characters through one after the other), and your singular needs/wants do not outweigh the needs/wants of those three. I'm personally not going to hang out with you in one dungeon for an hour and a half while you casually peruse every sack and canister and hang on every single word from every single cut scene under these circumstances. That is maddening, and wildly inappropriate for anyone to demand that of three perfect strangers. It's even more maddening (and more than a little weird) that some of you are gleefully rubbing your hands together at the thought of these people being punished for not being interested in being your farming mule or RP buddy.

Your need to finish 12 characters is no greater than the other players need to farm gear. He queues with the expectation he will get the dungeon he has queued for. You by gaming the system have taken that away from him. You queued for a random dungeon. You got a random dungeon just as intended. And no it really doesn't matter a bit if three in the group want to switch. If they didn't want a random dungeon they shouldn't have signed up for one. The 4th didn't want a random dungeon so he signed up for the one he did want. You took his choice away from him. He is taking nothing away from you. And it has been pointed out several times you can just post in zone chat that you want a group who will jump to an alternative dungeon after selecting random and you will get your group together in no time. THe bonus being everybody in the group knows ahead of time what will happen.

Again it doesn't matter one bit that three want to move. What the three wants isn't any more important than what the one wants and since the one did everything he could to get the dungeon he wanted it is the three that are being selfish and disrespectful of other players all for a trinket in the game. Sure if someone asks hey should we do another dungeon instead and all four agree, go for it. If one says no I would rather do this one then either do it or drop group and take your penalty.

DarcyMardin · December 2018

I’m actually a little disappointed that no one has asked me to port to FG1 yet during this event. The only time I’ve seen the inside of FG1 lately was when I had to solo it on several characters on the first couple of days because the dungeon finder didn’t work.

Gee, moral dilemma...what would I do? Since ZOS hasn’t commented or fixed this loophole, despite its being reported last year, I guess I’ll base my decision on whether I think the group has any hope of completing the DLC dungeon within a reasonable period of time. But if it’s Tempest Island or Blackheart Haven, forget it...I’m staying. Those are easy and don’t take much longer than Fungal.

GarnetFire17 · December 2018

MaxJrFTW wrote: »

Alinhbo_Tyaka wrote: »

I think I was in that dungeon with you. I don't like the dungeon swapping either nor the wasted time before I can queue again after dropping group.

Then i'm sorry for the outburst. I'm just frustrated since it has happened several times today.

One moment you think you'll be able to chill and play video games on your free time to relax, and next thing you know 15 min queue penalty.

just go to the dungeon by yourself.

Garrick · December 2018

Sailor_Palutena wrote: »

I despise the DLC dungeons. Whenever I get into one I quit (only did them once and i'm done with them).

What pisses me off is that I'm signed to PLUS so I'm forced to have them in my list whenever I use the finder. I feel like CLOSING my Plus subscription just to avoid doing them. That's counter productive, Zenimax. Think about it.

I've been complaining about this for ages. I honestly resent having ESO PLUS most of the time. Now I am at the point where I have so much money and resources I don't need to add to the crafting bag, I am actually thinking of dropping ESO PLUS just so that I don't get PUG Falkreath Hold or whatever.

I would love the option to queue for random non-DLC dungeon. Even better would be the option to mark X number of dungeons as "Excluded" from random. This would allow me to keep some DLC dungeons I like and drop the ones I don't (the super long ones). I would even be willing to pay crowns to increase X, sort of like an "exclusion token".

On a similar subject, why not give the longer/harder dungeons better rewards? It pains me that the difference between CoA1 and CoA2 is Valkyn Skoria. Now that I have it several times over, there is absolutely no incentive to do the latter, which takes 10 times longer.

gepe87 · December 2018

When events are boring you get those solutions.

Glurin · December 2018

p00tx wrote: »

In spite of that, you have three other people in that dungeon with you (all probably trying to hustle 12 characters through one after the other), and your singular needs/wants do not outweigh the needs/wants of those three. I'm personally not going to hang out with you in one dungeon for an hour and a half while you casually peruse every sack and canister and hang on every single word from every single cut scene under these circumstances.

Not asking you to. Just expecting you to do the dungeon you pulled out the random hat. Other people may have queued for that dungeon specifically and it's incredibly selfish and rude of you to shoot off to some other one just because you don't like what the RNG gods gave you.

D0PAMINE · December 2018

Glurin wrote: »

p00tx wrote: »

In spite of that, you have three other people in that dungeon with you (all probably trying to hustle 12 characters through one after the other), and your singular needs/wants do not outweigh the needs/wants of those three. I'm personally not going to hang out with you in one dungeon for an hour and a half while you casually peruse every sack and canister and hang on every single word from every single cut scene under these circumstances.

Not asking you to. Just expecting you to do the dungeon you pulled out the random hat. Other people may have queued for that dungeon specifically and it's incredibly selfish and rude of you to shoot off to some other one just because you don't like what the RNG gods gave you.

If one person, or two people, or three or four don't want to run a specific dungeon, they'll leave, which people do, or kick someone who was in that queue, even if the event is going on. At least the FG port is a viable option for everyone who queues to get the prize.

Glurin · December 2018

D0PAMINE wrote: »

Glurin wrote: »

p00tx wrote: »

In spite of that, you have three other people in that dungeon with you (all probably trying to hustle 12 characters through one after the other), and your singular needs/wants do not outweigh the needs/wants of those three. I'm personally not going to hang out with you in one dungeon for an hour and a half while you casually peruse every sack and canister and hang on every single word from every single cut scene under these circumstances.

Not asking you to. Just expecting you to do the dungeon you pulled out the random hat. Other people may have queued for that dungeon specifically and it's incredibly selfish and rude of you to shoot off to some other one just because you don't like what the RNG gods gave you.

If one person, or two people, or three or four don't want to run a specific dungeon, they'll leave, which people do, or kick someone who was in that queue, even if the event is going on. At least the FG port is a viable option for everyone who queues to get the prize.

But it shouldn't be a viable option. That's the problem. You really don't want to do the dungeon you got? Fine. Leave the group and suffer the timer penalty. If you don't like that either, then suck it up and do the one you got. You should not be rewarded for circumventing the system you agreed to by using it.

D0PAMINE · December 2018

Glurin wrote: »

D0PAMINE wrote: »

Glurin wrote: »

p00tx wrote: »

In spite of that, you have three other people in that dungeon with you (all probably trying to hustle 12 characters through one after the other), and your singular needs/wants do not outweigh the needs/wants of those three. I'm personally not going to hang out with you in one dungeon for an hour and a half while you casually peruse every sack and canister and hang on every single word from every single cut scene under these circumstances.

Not asking you to. Just expecting you to do the dungeon you pulled out the random hat. Other people may have queued for that dungeon specifically and it's incredibly selfish and rude of you to shoot off to some other one just because you don't like what the RNG gods gave you.

If one person, or two people, or three or four don't want to run a specific dungeon, they'll leave, which people do, or kick someone who was in that queue, even if the event is going on. At least the FG port is a viable option for everyone who queues to get the prize.

But it shouldn't be a viable option. That's the problem. You really don't want to do the dungeon you got? Fine. Leave the group and suffer the timer penalty. If you don't like that either, then suck it up and do the one you got. You should not be rewarded for circumventing the system you agreed to by using it.

Doesn't change the fact that it is a viable option. You can thank ZoS for the event and how it's designed, but at least everyone can port and get the box and ticket. Better than someone queuing a random, getting a DLC dungeon and getting kicked right away. That is selfish.

Eliahnus · December 2018

MoiraHarkenstone wrote: »

Yes, I too wanted the final prize but … I LIKE the experience of the dungeons. Rushing through it in that way is a real let down. Just sayin'

To be honest, with his kind of events the prize is the only thing that matters; too many toons and too little time, especially with the borked DF and the (sometimes) long waiting times. You can 'experience' the dungeons after the event the way you want.

DCanadianBacon · December 2018

One of my guildies did this asking me for a quick carry on their crafting toon. We ended up dragging the two other people out of the dungeon they actually queued for into FG1. After running it, I gave them each 5000 gold (both were low level, new players) and then I immediately carried them through the dungeon they ACTUALLY queued for. I didn't know this was a thing until today, and I felt bad dragging these new players with my guildie.

I won't be doing it again. Thank goodness this is temporary, because this is really scummy. We didn't queue in with other players into a random normal, it was with people trying to get their pledge done and/or getting through the dungeon for the first time cause they wanted to try it out. Not cool.

MoiraHarkenstone · December 2018

Jaraal wrote: »

Blame ZOS for giving equal rewards for unequal efforts. If they had scaled the prizes to match the difficulty of the dungeon, this wouldn’t be an issue.

Eliahnus wrote: »

MoiraHarkenstone wrote: »

Yes, I too wanted the final prize but … I LIKE the experience of the dungeons. Rushing through it in that way is a real let down. Just sayin'

To be honest, with his kind of events the prize is the only thing that matters; too many toons and too little time, especially with the borked DF and the (sometimes) long waiting times. You can 'experience' the dungeons after the event the way you want.

So anyone who is fairly new to dungeons should just suck it up and wait until the event is over? For the dungeons I have already been in the experience of it doesn't matter, but for those I have NOT been to - it does. Same for noobs. I pay for my ESO too, and because greedy points & loot grab multi-farm "it's all about me" toon hoarders have already been there/done that we lose? Please - preform your group with like-minded people and spare the legit GF users from suffering your lack of interest or consideration.

Alinhbo_Tyaka · December 2018

D0PAMINE wrote: »

Glurin wrote: »

D0PAMINE wrote: »

Glurin wrote: »

p00tx wrote: »

In spite of that, you have three other people in that dungeon with you (all probably trying to hustle 12 characters through one after the other), and your singular needs/wants do not outweigh the needs/wants of those three. I'm personally not going to hang out with you in one dungeon for an hour and a half while you casually peruse every sack and canister and hang on every single word from every single cut scene under these circumstances.

Not asking you to. Just expecting you to do the dungeon you pulled out the random hat. Other people may have queued for that dungeon specifically and it's incredibly selfish and rude of you to shoot off to some other one just because you don't like what the RNG gods gave you.

If one person, or two people, or three or four don't want to run a specific dungeon, they'll leave, which people do, or kick someone who was in that queue, even if the event is going on. At least the FG port is a viable option for everyone who queues to get the prize.

But it shouldn't be a viable option. That's the problem. You really don't want to do the dungeon you got? Fine. Leave the group and suffer the timer penalty. If you don't like that either, then suck it up and do the one you got. You should not be rewarded for circumventing the system you agreed to by using it.

Doesn't change the fact that it is a viable option. You can thank ZoS for the event and how it's designed, but at least everyone can port and get the box and ticket. Better than someone queuing a random, getting a DLC dungeon and getting kicked right away. That is selfish.

At least when you are kicked you don't get a penalty.

Donlup · December 2018

Look I dont give a flying *** what you do with 4 friends go nuts, how ever teleporting to fg1 when some has selected a specific dungeon and spend time waiting to in it is just a quite rude thing to do what gives you the right to *** on thier time?

If you wanna do this in a grp where all 4 players dont condone this you shouldn't its that simple please form groups specifically for this purpose and I personally have no beef with it at all zos programmed the rng dungeon system bad and it is what it is but respect your fellow players.

If you want to do fg1 in a non premade grp ask if someone says no then leave or do the dungeon thats my 5 cents.

sudaki_eso · December 2018

Communicate!
If you are on a console it might be harder cause ppl often dont talk/type...Here is what i do, queue for a random normal dungeon (not that it matters but 9 out of 10 dungeons are dlc dungeons when i queue and for some reason there are often players under 300cp...). Once i ported into moon hunter keep again i ask: pledge, random or story? if ppl are saying random i ask if we want to do a quickfg1 run, if its story or pledge i try to do the dungeons with them. if it wont work out i ask them to kick me instead of leaving. I would run any non dlc dungeon without switching to fg1 but after all these dlc ones and low level players and numerous wipes i am happy if i can switch to fg1.
So in your case, if people are porting to fg1 why dont you just ask them to kick you? Or just port out, do something else for 10 minutes and queue again, no need to leave and get the penalty.

p00tx · December 2018

MoiraHarkenstone wrote: »

Jaraal wrote: »

Blame ZOS for giving equal rewards for unequal efforts. If they had scaled the prizes to match the difficulty of the dungeon, this wouldn’t be an issue.

Eliahnus wrote: »

MoiraHarkenstone wrote: »

Yes, I too wanted the final prize but … I LIKE the experience of the dungeons. Rushing through it in that way is a real let down. Just sayin'

To be honest, with his kind of events the prize is the only thing that matters; too many toons and too little time, especially with the borked DF and the (sometimes) long waiting times. You can 'experience' the dungeons after the event the way you want.

So anyone who is fairly new to dungeons should just suck it up and wait until the event is over? For the dungeons I have already been in the experience of it doesn't matter, but for those I have NOT been to - it does. Same for noobs. I pay for my ESO too, and because greedy points & loot grab multi-farm "it's all about me" toon hoarders have already been there/done that we lose? Please - preform your group with like-minded people and spare the legit GF users from suffering your lack of interest or consideration.

Yes. 100% yes. "Trying out" new dungeons right now is like deciding you're going to try out freeway driving during rush hour traffic. This is a limited time event, and once it's over, things will go back to whatever normal is in this community, and you can have your dungeon experience. We've all been where you are and of course we want to explore new dungeon content when it comes out. You have to be judicious with your timing though, and if you want to have a leisurely stroll through the content, you would get a much more enjoyable experience if you pre-arranged a group who was aware of your proclivities and was willing to hang around so you could enjoy things at your own pace. Right now is just not that time.

GarnetFire17 · December 2018

Hal_Moore wrote: »

It is an obvious exploit...Where are the bans?

Seems like a grey area to me. I remember the days right before they changed it, everyone was scaling down LoM to do quick runs and farm Dro-mathra motifs. ZOS didn't treat that as an exploit and its exactly the same thing unless I am missing something.

Ertosi · December 2018

starkerealm wrote: »

Again, if someone ports without making sure everyone agrees, kick them.

We just had that very thing happen! I queue up one of my low level alts for a normal Random, end up getting Darkshade Caverns I. The team was another level ~12, a level ~40 and some high CP guy. The high CP guy immediately teleports to FG1. Us three low levels pick up the quest and continue on our merry way. He tells us we need to follow him over, we say we're all there for the quest, he says we'd be smarter if we followed him over, he gets kicked.

Group Finder takes a minute, with us still making great progress, but eventually finds us another tank... only its the same guy! Not sure how that happened, as the cool down timer should have still been active, but it was delicious. Anyways, he was livid... livid! He realizes its the same group and just starts cussing us out and berating us and our intelligence. Something about not having the DPS needed to clear one of the bosses and that we were so bad it was never going to happen, despite that the 3 of us "low-levels" were just plowing through everything at a solid pace. I say "low-level" cause I'm maxed CP with a master craftsman, so even my low-level toons can handle themselves well and contribute to group. I asked if he'd contribute or just continue his hissy from the entrance. He picked getting kicked again and we soon after finished the dungeon.

I've just about finished my Random dailies today on all of my alts and every single time, there was at least one guy pushing for everyone to port over to FG1. The one time it seemed like the rest of group wanted to, I politely dropped out of group. This was the second time this morning I got Darkshade 1 and had someone try to move the group over to FG1. It shows just how sad its gotten when some are even abandoning other cakewalk dungeons to do this exploit.