Does anyone feel like healing self healing is a little overpowered in this game?

  • Radiance
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    As a Healer main, I feel personally attacked...

    Good thing I can heal myself... :trollface:
    Edited by Radiance on December 1, 2018 10:38AM
  • Hochstapler
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    If people of equal skill duel and it's a stalemate, it means that there's a good balance between Damage - Mitigation - Healing and player skill / human error is the deciding factor, which is how it should be.
    MMO PVP combat, being a Rock-Paper-Scissors in nature will never be as balanced as a First Person Shooter but that's ok with me.
    I care about your gaming "problems" and teenage anxieties, just not today.
  • VelimOrthic
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    Are there any stam heals for a stamDK? I usually don't even slot a heal because one takes up more than 50% of my (min) mag.
  • Hochstapler
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    Are there any stam heals for a stamDK? I usually don't even slot a heal because one takes up more than 50% of my (min) mag.

    Rally, Vigor
    Edited by Hochstapler on December 1, 2018 10:47AM
    I care about your gaming "problems" and teenage anxieties, just not today.
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    Rally, Vigor
    LOL got me all excited before you ninja edited green dragon. Thought maybe they'd changed it and I could respec

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    Rally, Vigor
    LOL got me all excited before you ninja edited green dragon. Thought maybe they'd changed it and I could respec

    It was wishfull thinking lol, I been lobbying for MOAR stamina morphs for StamDK.
    I care about your gaming "problems" and teenage anxieties, just not today.
  • Tasear
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    Chirru wrote: »
    ochsinator wrote: »
    Honestly this is my favorite game it’s awesome love how it looks and how you build your character. Love the pvp and the pve aspects and I even actually get into the questing from time to time.

    One aspect I think is a little crazy is how much self healing there is where if your in a duel and both people get through their rotations a couple times both get low and then just heal back up in 2 seconds and start over. Not asking for a change just saying that I wonder how the game would play with self healing not being such a factor. I think it would make the time omg of your blocks dodges stuns and skills much more meaningful.

    Thanks for your Opinion and not asking for a change.

    Self heal is only a problem in PvP.

    Self heal in PvE is just fine.

    My opinon. Establish PvP only servers.
    Okay...okay...wishful thinking :)

    I don't know self healing in PvE definitely could be a question.
  • Malem_Benign
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    ochsinator wrote: »
    Honestly this is my favorite game it’s awesome love how it looks and how you build your character. Love the pvp and the pve aspects and I even actually get into the questing from time to time.

    One aspect I think is a little crazy is how much self healing there is where if your in a duel and both people get through their rotations a couple times both get low and then just heal back up in 2 seconds and start over. Not asking for a change just saying that I wonder how the game would play with self healing not being such a factor. I think it would make the time omg of your blocks dodges stuns and skills much more meaningful.

    Are you kiddin? Serious? Crave for heal nerf? Or you are just a bot?

    Because that is what it will be gonna taken as.

    If no - I'm not surprised anymore about some "strange" ZoS actions because of such kind of "genius" requests.

    Edited by Malem_Benign on December 1, 2018 11:14AM
  • mustangmorgan31
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    Did you ever think that you think self healing is strong because your damage output is weak and those players you duel can just out heal your damage? I think you may want to look at your build first before you ask to nerf self healing. When going against really good pvp players, strong self heals are necessary. Do you really think they could nerf self healing in PVP and not in PVE as well?
  • eliisra
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    I don't think healers themselves are overpowered in ESO. Actually the other way around. They're not even needed for a big chunk of PvE content.

    The only problem is the fact that dps builds can heal almost as much as someone purely built for healing in PvE. Makes the game harder to balance. Much easier to balance healing in other games where you have to choose between high dps or high healing. Here you can do both in one build.

    In terms of PvP though, I don't think healing is OP. Other defensive tools, like block, dodge and mitigations are extremely powerful to. Damage is also really high in PvP, so heals needs to strong as well.

    If you think healing in PvP is to strong, you likely have weak dps. Damage potential is higher than hps potential any day. Aggressive players will always win eventually over someone mashing heals not fighting back. You also have tools to reduce enemy healing.
  • ATomiX96
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    healing in general is too much and too easy to get in this game, especially with defile and other healing debuffs nerfed to the point of being unusable.
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    ochsinator wrote: »
    Honestly this is my favorite game it’s awesome love how it looks and how you build your character. Love the pvp and the pve aspects and I even actually get into the questing from time to time.

    One aspect I think is a little crazy is how much self healing there is where if your in a duel and both people get through their rotations a couple times both get low and then just heal back up in 2 seconds and start over. Not asking for a change just saying that I wonder how the game would play with self healing not being such a factor. I think it would make the time omg of your blocks dodges stuns and skills much more meaningful.

    This game gives you all the tools to win a fight, you as a player need tactics to win though, you are not at a disadvantage because you have access to heals also.

    use the tools provided to debuff (Maim, Defile) your enemies heals or create a window big enough to pressure your opponent, don't just blame the game and make a statement that would have sweeping impacts to all content (good luck in Maelstrom without your newly required pocket healer).

    Tactics and build are your friend, i see a lot of people running heavy armor, 2 sustain sets and spamming wrecking blow wondering why a dual is taking forever.
  • jainiadral
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    No, no, no, and more no. I'm only saying this so ZoS doesn't get any more nerfing ideas :D
  • Tabbycat
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    The intent is for every single class to potentially be a decent healer (or tank) so you don't have to wait elebenty hours in a dungeon que waiting for the one/two classes that can heal to join up. That's why everyone can use the resto staff and get decent healing with it even if you build yourself as dps.
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  • FrancisCrawford
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    Heimpai wrote: »
    Idk my magblade self heal feels like trash compared to my stamblade

    Then again I’m new to magblade so i might be doing it wrong

    Swallow Soul (not Funnel Health any more because the damage on that was heavily nerfed)
    Leeching Strikes (if that's the magicka morph)
    Not Refreshing Path any more (that was nerfed into pure trash)
    Reaper's Mark (that's the one people forget about)

    You also have Cloak if you want, although I'd hate to use that because invisibility (which you still get with the other morph) is so cool.
  • ochsinator
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    eliisra wrote: »
    I don't think healers themselves are overpowered in ESO. Actually the other way around. They're not even needed for a big chunk of PvE content.

    The only problem is the fact that dps builds can heal almost as much as someone purely built for healing in PvE. Makes the game harder to balance. Much easier to balance healing in other games where you have to choose between high dps or high healing. Here you can do both in one build.

    In terms of PvP though, I don't think healing is OP. Other defensive tools, like block, dodge and mitigations are extremely powerful to. Damage is also really high in PvP, so heals needs to strong as well.

    If you think healing in PvP is to strong, you likely have weak dps. Damage potential is higher than hps potential any day. Aggressive players will always win eventually over someone mashing heals not fighting back. You also have tools to reduce enemy healing.

    This is true that’s kinda my point I guess like every class can heal so much. And my FPS isn’t bad and there’s just some builds that can heal though everything it’s annoying. They just sit there and heal then go back to fighting it’s boring.

  • ochsinator
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    Did you ever think that you think self healing is strong because your damage output is weak and those players you duel can just out heal your damage? I think you may want to look at your build first before you ask to nerf self healing. When going against really good pvp players, strong self heals are necessary. Do you really think they could nerf self healing in PVP and not in PVE as well?

    I’m running 7th legion spriggin and blood spawn. I have 4K weapon damage. My do’s isn’t terrible I’m more so addressing the players that run away and just heal like crazy admit there are build that have a ridiculous amount of self healing.
  • ochsinator
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    ochsinator wrote: »
    Honestly this is my favorite game it’s awesome love how it looks and how you build your character. Love the pvp and the pve aspects and I even actually get into the questing from time to time.

    One aspect I think is a little crazy is how much self healing there is where if your in a duel and both people get through their rotations a couple times both get low and then just heal back up in 2 seconds and start over. Not asking for a change just saying that I wonder how the game would play with self healing not being such a factor. I think it would make the time omg of your blocks dodges stuns and skills much more meaningful.

    Are you kiddin? Serious? Crave for heal nerf? Or you are just a bot?

    Because that is what it will be gonna taken as.

    If no - I'm not surprised anymore about some "strange" ZoS actions because of such kind of "genius" requests.

    I just think self healing is strong in this game who needs a healer when everyone can heal themselves

  • ochsinator
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    Radiance wrote: »
    As a Healer main, I feel personally attacked...

    Good thing I can heal myself... :trollface:


    Lol I love healers but people who run away and heal during a fight are annoying is my only point.
  • Trinity_Is_My_Name
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    ochsinator wrote: »
    Honestly this is my favorite game it’s awesome love how it looks and how you build your character. Love the pvp and the pve aspects and I even actually get into the questing from time to time.

    One aspect I think is a little crazy is how much self healing there is where if your in a duel and both people get through their rotations a couple times both get low and then just heal back up in 2 seconds and start over. Not asking for a change just saying that I wonder how the game would play with self healing not being such a factor. I think it would make the time omg of your blocks dodges stuns and skills much more meaningful.

    Before all the nerfs PVPers died quite quickly. Now you look at Healing to be too much??
  • ochsinator
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    ochsinator wrote: »
    Honestly this is my favorite game it’s awesome love how it looks and how you build your character. Love the pvp and the pve aspects and I even actually get into the questing from time to time.

    One aspect I think is a little crazy is how much self healing there is where if your in a duel and both people get through their rotations a couple times both get low and then just heal back up in 2 seconds and start over. Not asking for a change just saying that I wonder how the game would play with self healing not being such a factor. I think it would make the time omg of your blocks dodges stuns and skills much more meaningful.

    Before all the nerfs PVPers died quite quickly. Now you look at Healing to be too much??


    I think is resistance mattered more it would slow that down and fights would be longer and more fun and would literally restart due to healing
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    Tasear wrote: »
    Chirru wrote: »
    ochsinator wrote: »
    Honestly this is my favorite game it’s awesome love how it looks and how you build your character. Love the pvp and the pve aspects and I even actually get into the questing from time to time.

    One aspect I think is a little crazy is how much self healing there is where if your in a duel and both people get through their rotations a couple times both get low and then just heal back up in 2 seconds and start over. Not asking for a change just saying that I wonder how the game would play with self healing not being such a factor. I think it would make the time omg of your blocks dodges stuns and skills much more meaningful.

    Thanks for your Opinion and not asking for a change.

    Self heal is only a problem in PvP.

    Self heal in PvE is just fine.

    My opinon. Establish PvP only servers.
    Okay...okay...wishful thinking :)

    I don't know self healing in PvE definitely could be a question.

    If it is nerfed much it will mean serious issues for borderline groups as the healers outside of the top raid groups already struggle. imo, I raid with both good and more casual groups.
  • Stebarnz
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    What sets you are wearing and what damage you have doesn't matter if you cant use cc, burst and execute.
    Learn your class and weapon skills, synergise there use to obtain the most effective way to apply them and in what order to put most pressure on your opponent, practice for speed.
    I don't know why you are having people running away to heal, cc or gap close should stop this?
    If someone is just spamming heals keep pressure on them until you have ult then cc with burst.
    If I knew what class, what cp, what skills and other details I might be able to help.
  • Numerikuu
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    Tasear wrote: »
    I don't know self healing in PvE definitely could be a question.

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    Forcing the game down ye olde archaic path of forced mmorpg roles is going to push people away from this game. One of the reasons many like it to begin with is because it originally chose not to go down said path.
  • D0PAMINE
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    No
  • mattaeus01b16_ESO
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    NO! NOW, GO AWAY!!!
    Player 1 "You all suck, dont you know how to play this game?"
    Player 2 "Huh?"
    Player 1 "just run passed everything!"
    Player 3 "We could just kill them on the way"
    Player 4 "Why am I 89% of total DPS, one of the only ones that Qued as DPS, and yet in a group with 3 other DPS that cant seem to kill the basic mobs in a normal dungeon, and being told I suck?"
    Player 1 "Whatever, GFL"
    Player 1 has left the group...
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    Rally, Vigor
    LOL got me all excited before you ninja edited green dragon. Thought maybe they'd changed it and I could respec

    It was wishfull thinking lol, I been lobbying for MOAR stamina morphs for StamDK.

    It is pretty ridiculous that Green Dragon Blood is still utter garbage when Coagulated Blood was buffed and made a decent heal.
  • JumpmanLane
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    It’s psychological lol. The guy who taught me MagDk INSISTED I time a coagolating Blood with a cauterize to give opponents the IDEA that my heals took me from nearly zero to full health. It discourages people from going all out and only half fighting after that.

    Op duel more, play and learn other classes. Don’t beg ZOS for a nerf, which is basically just a carry. Forget about ego, go out die and learn.
  • _Ahala_
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    Duel more, play and learn other classes. Don’t beg ZOS for a nerf, which is basically just a carry. Forget about ego, go out die and learn.

    Truth
  • ochsinator
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    Stebarnz wrote: »
    What sets you are wearing and what damage you have doesn't matter if you cant use cc, burst and execute.
    Learn your class and weapon skills, synergise there use to obtain the most effective way to apply them and in what order to put most pressure on your opponent, practice for speed.
    I don't know why you are having people running away to heal, cc or gap close should stop this?
    If someone is just spamming heals keep pressure on them until you have ult then cc with burst.
    If I knew what class, what cp, what skills and other details I might be able to help.

    Stam dk running 7th legion spriggin and blood spawn.

    Front bar 2h. Crit rush. Spiked armor. Rally. Ven claw. Execution. Dragon leap.

    Back bar. SnB. Vigor. Frag shield. Wings. Reverb bash. Heroic slash. Corrosive

    Usually I’ll pop wings with spiked and rally buffed up then switch back crit rush in hit ven claw switch to back bar hit reverb bash then light then heroic then light then heroic then back to front bar hit ven claw again and start hiring execution then light then execution then light. And if my ults up I’ll hit them with it right after the second application of ven claw.

    Recently been playing pve and leveling my bow and duel wield so I’ve played with switching out sword and board with duel wield and bow. But I haven’t played enough pvp with those set ups.

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