How broken is ESO vs Fallout 76?

geekboy09 · November 2018

it seems bethesda and Zenimax are having a crisis, gods i thought eso fixed some of these bugs but each patch is ruining the game

Cpt_Teemo · November 2018

Yeah both games have severe bugs but I like FO76 so far been playing it more than ESO atm

Starlock · November 2018

It's unfortunate that hyperbole and using words incorrectly is all the rage these days. It means when a game is *legitimately* broken or ruined, there are no words left to express that. These days, many call something "broken" or "ruined" (or worse "game breaking") when expressing opinions based on their expectations of what they game should be.

I'm not aware of any bugs in ESO that approach the severity of current bugs in Fallout 76. ESO is fine. Fallout 76 should not have been released in its current state. I mean, I'm having a blast playing it, but it has some pretty significant issues right now. Never has my experience in ESO been as problematic as 76 is right now.

HalloweenWeed · November 2018

Seems your info is a little screwy, ESO always had probs W/GF during group events, every year. Patches, dlc, or Chapters had little to do with it.

I returned Fo76 for full refund.

I am still playing ESO (Plus), and plan to do so for years to come.

That's the comparison.

Cpt_Teemo · November 2018

Starlock wrote: »

It's unfortunate that hyperbole and using words incorrectly is all the rage these days. It means when a game is *legitimately* broken or ruined, there are no words left to express that. These days, many call something "broken" or "ruined" (or worse "game breaking") when expressing opinions based on their expectations of what they game should be.

I'm not aware of any bugs in ESO that approach the severity of current bugs in Fallout 76. ESO is fine. Fallout 76 should not have been released in its current state. I mean, I'm having a blast playing it, but it has some pretty significant issues right now. Never has my experience in ESO been as problematic as 76 is right now.

I'm guessing you weren't here at ESO launch then there was a gigantic insane enormous bug that should never hit any online game ever, you had a random chance of logging into another players account during the first 2 weeks

Haashhtaag · November 2018

One just released so it should be expected to have bugs. The other has been around 5 years and is buggier than ever.

jcaceresw · November 2018

You can't compare first version ESO vs first version F76. When ESO was on beta there were several problems that went away when the game was released meaning that the game was very acceptable on release. Over time, it became better but the main thing is that the game was playable, winnable and stable at most upon release.

Can't say the same with F76 since B.E.T.A. The game looks a pre-alpha state version where they just reused the F4 engine and assets and did not made any improvements in all the years past it release (specially the engine, housing and crafting) and they charged us $60 like it were a brand new game. Moreover, they broke several things that were fixed in F4 and the ¿game? is a joke. I feel bad for those people who pre-ordered the physical edition because they aren't eligible to get a refund. I was lucky to ask for a refund of the digital version just in the second day of release. I read they are now blocking all refund attempts and force you to keep an unfinished product.

That's my opinion.

Merlin13KAGL · November 2018

Damn, he went there.

vonScuzzman · November 2018

Fallout bugs are minor compared to ESO launch, the game is very playable. Still have things to do at this point, but I'm not sure how much more content I have ahead of me.

And ESO still has longer load screens.

Elsonso · November 2018

No personal experience with Fallout 76, but I was reading the upcoming patch notes for the Dec 4 patch ( @ZOS_GinaBruno ... they get patch notes early!

) and I think I made the right decision to stay away from FO76. I am sure that they will fix a lot of the bugs, as ZOS has fixed a lot of the ESO bugs, but I don't want to be an early adopter. ESO sounds a lot more stable to me.

Nestor · November 2018

HalloweenWeed wrote: »

Seems your info is a little screwy, ESO always had probs W/GF during group events, every year. Patches, dlc, or Chapters had little to do with it.

The main issue with the GF is 90% of the players want to DPS the dungeons. There are other issues that get exacerbated during events like this, but I wonder how bad they would be if there was a more balanced population....

weedgenius · November 2018

I've been playing ESO for a year now and the PS4 app has crashed probably around 4 or 5 times total.

I've been playing FO76 for about a month and the PS4 app has crashed 15 to 20 times.

Obviously that's anecdotal, but to be completely honest the mess that is FO76 has made me appreciate ESO more.

weedgenius · November 2018

jcaceresw wrote: »

The game looks a pre-alpha state version where they just reused the F4 engine and assets and did not made any improvements in all the years past it release (specially the engine, housing and crafting) and they charged us $60 like it were a brand new game.

Totally agree, the settlement building bugs are astonishing. They're literally the exact same bugs that were in Fallout 4 a few years ago. Nobody bothered to fix them and in some cases they actually got WORSE. At least in FO4 when your spotlight turrets stopped working you could just move them a little and they'd start up again. Now you have to destroy and completely rebuild them to get them to work every time you go to your base.

Chicharron · November 2018

I had hoped that by being close companies, Bethesda would take feedback from ZOS and not make the same mistakes that ZOS made when they launched TESO.

But it seems that ignoring the feedback is normal in Zenimax, even if it is from a nearby company.

Not to mention ignoring the community, it seems that ignoring the player is required to work in a Zenimax company.

They made the same mistakes, i have not doubt that in a year, when the real Beta finishes, the game will be better, as it happened with TESO...

For now i pass.

OrdoHermetica · November 2018

Fallout 76 is far and away the more buggy and generally broken game, by many orders of magnitude. And I say that as someone who, for some reason, still finds myself liking Fallout 76.

ESO is buggy, no doubt, and some of the bugs are deeply frustrating. But you can, in fact, play the game. You can even do all of the content in the game, even if sometimes the bugs get in the way of it. But Fallout 76 is... well, okay, imagine the worst bugs you can think of in ESO. Missing AoEs, combat bug, sprint bug, whatever. Now multiply that frequency by about 10x and then apply bugs of that magnitude to every core element of the game..

That's Fallout 76 in its current state.

Jolipinator · November 2018

Breaking an apple does not make it an orange.

OrdoHermetica · November 2018

Starlock wrote: »

It's unfortunate that hyperbole and using words incorrectly is all the rage these days. It means when a game is *legitimately* broken or ruined, there are no words left to express that. These days, many call something "broken" or "ruined" (or worse "game breaking") when expressing opinions based on their expectations of what they game should be.

I'm not aware of any bugs in ESO that approach the severity of current bugs in Fallout 76. ESO is fine. Fallout 76 should not have been released in its current state. I mean, I'm having a blast playing it, but it has some pretty significant issues right now. Never has my experience in ESO been as problematic as 76 is right now.

Launch. ESO at launch was pretty close. Maybe not quite there - Fallout 76 was a REALLY bad launch - but in the same ballpark.

Starlock · November 2018

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

I'm guessing you weren't here at ESO launch then there was a gigantic insane enormous bug that should never hit any online game ever, you had a random chance of logging into another players account during the first 2 weeks

Quite possibly. That said, I would not have been able to play ESO at launch given I do not own a PC.

Rake · November 2018

If fallout 76 is the measurement unit for being broken, ESO is 0.1663 Fallouts76

zaria · November 2018

Nestor wrote: »

HalloweenWeed wrote: »

Seems your info is a little screwy, ESO always had probs W/GF during group events, every year. Patches, dlc, or Chapters had little to do with it.

The main issue with the GF is 90% of the players want to DPS the dungeons. There are other issues that get exacerbated during events like this, but I wonder how bad they would be if there was a more balanced population....

This is the standard however during start of this event its that the finder breaks down, you are unable to do random dungeons even with an 4 man group. Today it looks like it works.

Numerikuu · November 2018

ESO has its glaring issues, but they don't hold a candle to Fallout 76. That game should never, ever have been released in it's current state. To call it an embarrassment is an understatement.

I bet you, hands down, that if it weren't for the huge backlash regarding in-game microtransations during the Battlefront fiasco, the perk/card system would have been monetized. The way it's designed reeks of it.

fatmanatcomp · November 2018

The standard of service for both of these games is not acceptable, says more about the company/companies than anything.

Gilvoth · November 2018

it's a Good question.
i read that Zenimax helped bethesda in the code work and designs in 76.

Claudman · November 2018

ESO isn't even comparable to the atrocity which is Fallout 76, those are just people who are exaggerating. ESO has bad balancing at times, yes and occasionally it has a few annoying bugs...But, it's still a game. Fallout 76 is barely a game...It's barebones and lacks a lot of content.

People only say ESO lacks content because they did it all already or sped through it. Most 'new' players will find themselves burdened with a lot of content in the realm of ESO...While in Fallout 76? FO76 has very little content and new players will find very little content in it.

ESO launch was bad technically, but Fallout 76 seems a lot worse...And ESO then still didn't have quests which were told over what's basically a cellphone recording...

Fallout 76 made me appreciate games like ESO more. We like to pretend ESO is the worse, but it really isn't. It's just another MMO with glaring flaws (And if you play any other MMO, you'll notice even those MMOs have annoying flaws, for example: Scourge in GW2 PvP). Fallout 76 on the other hand is literally a glorified multiplayer mod for Fallout 4.

leeux · November 2018

IMHO ESO is at least a real game (or, better said: it arguably was at some point, can be argued if it's still so), but F76 it's just a bare bones combat->loot->reward feedback reinforcement loop, with not even an excuse given as to why you're doing it.

The actual 'game' per-se, it's nothing. It's like it's purely 'designed' by a team of psychologist and engineered like a lab test, as if the players were rat labs.

Loves_guars · November 2018

???
What does F76 have to do with ESO?

Sevalaricgirl · November 2018

I've been playing Fallout 76 and haven't really experienced many bugs at all. A couple here and there but nothing game breaking, no lag etc. I honestly don't know where the negative reviews are from unless they are all playing on console. I am playing on PC.

weedgenius · November 2018

Loves_guars wrote: »

???
What does F76 have to do with ESO?

How about the same publisher? Or maybe it's both developers having the same parent company? Or perhaps Todd Howard saying that ZOS helped with Fallout 76? Need more?

Elsonso · November 2018

weedgenius wrote: »

Loves_guars wrote: »

???
What does F76 have to do with ESO?

How about the same publisher? Or maybe its both developers having the same parent company? Or perhaps Todd Howard saying that ZOS helped with Fallout 76? Need more?

I am still trying to figure out how ZOS helped out.

Claudman · November 2018

weedgenius wrote: »

Loves_guars wrote: »

???
What does F76 have to do with ESO?

How about the same publisher? Or maybe its both developers having the same parent company? Or perhaps Todd Howard saying that ZOS helped with Fallout 76? Need more?

Todd Howard also said that id Software helped. Why aren't we comparing say...Quake Champions and Fallout 76 then? lol
Of course, even Quake Champions is a better game than FO76. I doubt both id Software and Zenimax pitched a lot of stuff towards Fallout 76's way...Some people think that Fallout 76 was made by a small team.

Elsonso · November 2018

Claudman wrote: »

weedgenius wrote: »

Loves_guars wrote: »

???
What does F76 have to do with ESO?

How about the same publisher? Or maybe its both developers having the same parent company? Or perhaps Todd Howard saying that ZOS helped with Fallout 76? Need more?

Todd Howard also said that id Software helped. Why aren't we comparing say...Quake Champions and Fallout 76 then? lol
Of course, even Quake Champions is a better game than FO76. I doubt both id Software and Zenimax pitched a lot of stuff towards Fallout 76's way...Some people think that Fallout 76 was made by a small team.

The FO76 engine includes idTech. That is how id helped out.