Absolute starter training sets... Juli+???/Hundings+???

ZeroXFF · November 2018

A friend of mine has just bought the game (currently downloading it), and I'd like to craft him training sets for faster leveling. Don't know yet if he'll pick mag or stam (though knowing what he did in WoW, probably stamblade), and I also never bothered to test crafted DPS sets aside from Julianos/Hundings (and pre-nerf Mechanical Acuity), so I have no idea what to pair them with.

What do you guys think will result in the smoothest leveling experience for someone just starting the game for the first time?
Should I make something with extra regen or extra health, or should I just go with whatever gives more DPS? And if DPS, which sets would work best?

Also, do you think I should craft 3 pieces of jewelry of the 2nd set, or helmet+shoulders+1p jewelry (I remember the levelup advisor gives jewelry pretty early on, so wouldn't want him to feel like he has to replace anything)? And if 1p, ring or neck?

GaunterODim · November 2018

For stamina Id use night mothers if the class doesnt have major fracture, sorc for example, but you can basicly just craft him shacklebreaker for leveling. cant go wrong with that and it makes the starter levels easier as a stam char because you dont have many stam skills right away.
+ When I leveled up last I made weapons, helm, shoulder and neck of the second set. You could then go for something with a 2 piece stam or mag for the rings or just let him use what he picks up from dolmens.

phaneub17_ESO · November 2018

For magicka builds I use 5pc Seducer and 4pc Magnus, so they can spam more spells before running out. For stamina builds, because you have a lot of magicka abilities to level before they can be morphed into stamina abilities, 5pc Shacklebreaker and 4pc Sload; don't worry about specializing for now, boost in both magicka, stamina, and bonus damage to offset beginner's no CP.

ZeroXFF · November 2018

Nightblades and templars get stamina spammables pretty early on. So I don't think boosting mag would be very helpful on those (am I wrong?). And both stamDKs and stamblades have major fracture early too (so NG would be a waste on them). And weapon skills use stam too, so he'll have access to stam skills at lvl3-4 already.

Also I was hoping for an answer that will work all the way to CP160, so that I don't have to reinvent the build for him every 10 levels, and can prepare gear in advance. I'll also teach him about heavy attacks giving resources and how to do heavy weaving, so I hope resources won't be that much of an issue...

For example what are your thoughts on this short-list of mine?

Mag:
- Kagrenac's Hope

Stam:
- Kvatch Gladiator
- Morkuldin

Both:
- Twice-Born Star
- Sload (I know, this was mentioned, but would it outperform Morkuldin in case of stam and Kagrenac for mag?)
- Mechanical Acuity

Rungar · November 2018

might of the lost legion and nocturnals if you want him to learn how to block and dodge.

fred4 · November 2018

Craft him 2x 5-piece sets with training traits, jewelry and armor, no weapons. Weapon damage falls off quickly as you outlevel the weapon, so he'll be better off just using weapons he finds that are at his current level.

You need to know whether the character will be mag or stam. You can craft Shackle, but you still need to know the armor weight, enchants and jewelry traits. Craft him 5/1/1, so he levels all armor skill lines.

I like Shackle + Fortified Brass, medium or light. The latter will make him tanky, probably stupid tanky the way this game scales. It'll work in PvE or PvP and will be forgiving. Sustain won't be an issue. Just be sure to get him onto a regen mundus and make him some Witchmother's or Dubious, which you can use from level 1, and one or two regen jewelry glyphs.

It's usually better to level a character as magicka, even when they will be stamina later. Vigor is hard to get for a new player, and Rally is the last skill in that skill line. Strife and Sweeps both heal you and are the first unlocked skills. Warden could level as stamina, I suppose, with the first skill being a heal. When you're totally new, access to healing is usually an issue and why overland is as easy as it is.

fred4 · November 2018

ZeroXFF wrote: »

Nightblades and templars get stamina spammables pretty early on. So I don't think boosting mag would be very helpful on those (am I wrong?). And both stamDKs and stamblades have major fracture early too (so NG would be a waste on them). And weapon skills use stam too, so he'll have access to stam skills at lvl3-4 already.

Also I was hoping for an answer that will work all the way to CP160, so that I don't have to reinvent the build for him every 10 levels, and can prepare gear in advance. I'll also teach him about heavy attacks giving resources and how to do heavy weaving, so I hope resources won't be that much of an issue...

For example what are your thoughts on this short-list of mine?

Mag:
- Kagrenac's Hope

Stam:
- Kvatch Gladiator
- Morkuldin

Both:
- Twice-Born Star
- Sload (I know, this was mentioned, but would it outperform Morkuldin in case of stam and Kagrenac for mag?)
- Mechanical Acuity

The fact that you are crafting him proper matched set gear, probably blue, will make him stupid OP, whatever you craft him. You enchant the jewelry with a purple quality glyph, that will scale to 174 (yes gold quality) endgame factors (until he outlevels).

I think any basic sets will be fine. I would lean towards light or medium, but tanky, like I said. I don't like Twice Born, because if you change sets, you lose the second mundus.

Sparr0w · November 2018

Juli + Mothers Sorrow (Crafted/Overland) with apprentice mundus
Hundings + Spirggans (Crafted/Overland) with warrior mundus.

Other mag sets (non-trial/dungeon) Mechanical acuity, War Maiden, Necro
Other stam sets (non-trial/dungeon) Mechanical acuity, Veiled Heritance (Heavy), Briar heart

fred4 · November 2018

Sparr0w wrote: »

Juli + Mothers Sorrow (Crafted/Overland) with apprentice mundus
Hundings + Spirggans (Crafted/Overland) with warrior mundus.

Other mag sets (non-trial/dungeon) Mechanical acuity, War Maiden, Necro
Other stam sets (non-trial/dungeon) Mechanical acuity, Veiled Heritance (Heavy), Briar heart

I think you're missing the point. He's going to get low level Sorrow, Spriggan, etc.? Nope.

Sparr0w · November 2018

fred4 wrote: »

Sparr0w wrote: »

Juli + Mothers Sorrow (Crafted/Overland) with apprentice mundus
Hundings + Spirggans (Crafted/Overland) with warrior mundus.

Other mag sets (non-trial/dungeon) Mechanical acuity, War Maiden, Necro
Other stam sets (non-trial/dungeon) Mechanical acuity, Veiled Heritance (Heavy), Briar heart

I think you're missing the point. He's going to get low level Sorrow, Spriggan, etc.? Nope.

@fred4 teach me to read the op rather than just the title...

Juli/Hundings with Shackle/Mech Acuity is my pick, with random jewellery.

For survival Vampires Kiss is decent as you get a heal on each kill.

mague · November 2018

ZeroXFF wrote: »

Also I was hoping for an answer that will work all the way to CP160, so that I don't have to reinvent the build for him every 10 levels, and can prepare gear in advance. I'll also teach him about heavy attacks giving resources and how to do heavy weaving, so I hope resources won't be that much of an issue...

Nothing till lvl 25 or so. Then 5 fortified bras and 5 julianos or hundigs or shaklebreaker. Jewels in white + HP. Others training trait in green with stam or mag glyphs. Weapon(s) something with 2 piece bonus for 129 mag or stam power. Those in epic.

Worked on my DK from 25 to 50 flawless and is even good to go for some overland bosses. The fortified bras is very nice to learn.

raj72616a · November 2018

julianos and hunding are the best if he knows whether he want to go stam or mag. otherwise shacklebreaker seems decent.

as for defensive set for newbie, try whitestrake set. he'll get to learn that he screws up a block or dodge when the damage shield pops up, but he will survive the fights even with some mistakes.

RavenSworn · November 2018

For starters? Innate axiom. Since he has to level class skills might as well make full use of it. For the second set, don't even have to be a full set, just grab the jewelry from the zone's dolmens and the rest from the quest rewards or drops. Innate axiom also requires lesser trait researched than the others which means your buddy can also craft it on his own in the event you're not available. (of course it does require you to have the dlc).

My advice is to take your time levelling. Enjoy and make sure you grab as many skyshards as possible. Having a good foundation is much better than trying to jump through hoops with one leg tied to a hand, so to speak.

ChunkyCat · November 2018

https://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Crafted+Sets

Porter_H · November 2018

Shacklebreaker paired with either Julianos or Hundings is great for leveling. I usually make 5 body armor of one of those two and then helm, shoulders (monster slots are easier to remember), weapons, and one white piece of jewelry in Shacklebreaker for the second 5 pc bonus.

zaria · November 2018

Sparr0w wrote: »

fred4 wrote: »

Sparr0w wrote: »

Juli + Mothers Sorrow (Crafted/Overland) with apprentice mundus
Hundings + Spirggans (Crafted/Overland) with warrior mundus.

Other mag sets (non-trial/dungeon) Mechanical acuity, War Maiden, Necro
Other stam sets (non-trial/dungeon) Mechanical acuity, Veiled Heritance (Heavy), Briar heart

I think you're missing the point. He's going to get low level Sorrow, Spriggan, etc.? Nope.

@fred4 teach me to read the op rather than just the title...

Juli/Hundings with Shackle/Mech Acuity is my pick, with random jewellery.

For survival Vampires Kiss is decent as you get a heal on each kill.

Or just craft white / green rings for the 2x5 setup

ZeroXFF · November 2018

Ok, so looks like Shacklebreaker and Fortified Brass are popular. I guess I'll go with Juli/Hundings on body pieces and either Shackle/FB (will probably talk to him and figure out how he wants to play) on helmet, shoulders and jewelry, and weapon/spell damage 2p on weapons, and tell him that it's ok to replace weapons if he gets an upgrade.

Thanks all for the contributions.

Swomp23 · November 2018

A bit of a warning : if he's the type of people actually enjoying somewhat of a challenge while questing, I wouldn't craft him anything. I came back to the game about 3 months ago, rolled a magblade, didn't spend any champion point and used only dropped gear. I remembered most mechanics, but still, game was a total face roll. So if he wants to experience the questing gameplay at it's fullest, let him do it without crutches.

If he doesn't care about that and just want to skip through it to reach you in endish-game content, I personnally do Magnus and Night Mother's Gaze as my second sets. All in training. Shackle or Sloads could also be good sets that he could swap between his stam and mag toons.

Mister_DMC · November 2018

Every new character of mine gets a set of Hundings/Julianos and Shacklebreaker, gives great stat pools, magic and stamina and damage. Can't go wrong

TheNightflame · November 2018

for a fun and games levelling time, if you're not looking to re-craft, just go twice born star and daedric trickery

Sanctuary_Reaper · November 2018

Ive just started again on pc after switching from console, ive joined a cpl of guilds and probably could get crafted gear made for me, but im just using what i pick up, a mixture of training, infused and divines traits, it works ok.

SugaComa · November 2018

I would craft plain sets ... At each new material level so you swap them as you level up

At level 50 just wear any crap till 160 CP then worry about what set to wear

Anything else is a waste of mats

robpr · November 2018

Mag: Juli + Magnus, spam spells all day!
Stam: Hundings + Axiom/Night Mother Gaze, big damage using class skills from get-go.

ATomiX96 · November 2018

Just craft juli/seducer or hunding/nmg

Stigant · November 2018

Don't craft him anything, let him enjoy the content and learn the hard way...

Ou wait, that would have worked in 2014, the game is faceroll easy at the monet.

Ok ... let him enjoy the content and learn the less easy way.

TheStealthDude · November 2018

Go 5x Mechanical Accuity + 5x Shacklebreaker. Use any abilities decently while leveling up, stam or magicka. Save space in your bank/storage since you only need 1 setup for any type of character.

Toast_STS · November 2018

I suggest any sets where the 5 piece doesn't lose effectiveness as you level up such as twice born and mechanical acuity. I can get away with crafting sets at level 4 and 26ish. Might make more weapons but I only need 2 crafted armor sets to level up