Giving mounts more meaning 「Opinion」

MaxwellC · November 2018

I was wondering why can't we imbue mounts with certain abilities?

I thought to myself as I had to stop and change a skill just to slot rapid manuvers (solo PvP player), why not allow us to imbue skills we unlocked into mounts via quest, resource, or consumables. You could add other abilities that stop you from getting dismounted, increase defenses while mounted, etc.

All of these suggestions would be a singular skill you could add to the mount (one skill only). Some may suggest that it'll make some group abilities useless but remember in PvP these effects only work when you're in a group and in PvE you could slot the skill yourself.

Thoughts?

VaranisArano · November 2018

I'd want trample damage.

Enemy-of-Coldharbour · November 2018

I'd just be happy if I could dye my mounts gear. I want to ride in style.

@ZOS_GinaBruno

Acrolas · November 2018

Skill and abilities are opportunity costs. If you want Rapid you're going to have to give something up.

Also I'm not sure what "solo PVP" is, unless you just have a lot of internal conflict that you express through your character.

MaxwellC · November 2018

@Acrolas
Not sure if you're blatantly coming off as condescending or not but even with that it seems you're missing the point.

The point was to add something to mounts instead of the old 3 attribute system we have now and the emphasis for solo player in PvP is geared towards group players usually having a designated player casting it which keeps everyone from stopping and slotting that skill.
Maybe I should've been more clear since not all players play PvP nor do they observe their surroundings as I do since I like playing solo.

Munavar · November 2018

This is precisely what the riding lessons do.

Itacira · November 2018

@MaxwellC Don't mind Acrolas, they have a lot of internal conflict that they express through their forum presence.

I would actually find it really cool ! Also, perhaps different kind of mounts could have different kind of damages. Following VaranisArano's trampling comment, it could be fun if wolves, senches and bears could have some sort of biting damage (idk, perhaps wolves' have a chance of slowing, and senches of bleeding and bears of fearing), whereas horses, elks and camels would trample (with each some form of additional effect), and so on with the others.

Can you imagine a pouncing Nix Oxen mount? I already hate them when I meet them in the wild, I'd run away screaming if I saw a hint of an enemy player riding one x)

laereal · November 2018

I'm pretty sure the reason we have the three attribute system now was because giving each type of mount their own specialty like before was just too damn annoying and making all three attributes achievable was the most fair way to implement mounts. Having rapid maneuver on with a fully upgraded mount is already pretty indestructable apart from the smallest chance of being dismounted. Not to mention that the Dark Brotherhood skill line gives you that nifty thing where it decreases the aggro range of mobs when mounted. Most of those are achievable just by working at it.

Add: there are a couple of addons that automatically slots rapids on your skill bar when you mount up and it unslots itself when you dismount.

Edit: i dont actually know if you are in PC so disregard my addon info if you are on console.

OFFL1MIT · November 2018

I get what you're saying, would be awesome when you call a mount it would have additional slot or presloted rapid and you just Y+B and bam you're on rapid . PC users can get away with this, because you can slot while riding without stopping, or install addon that changes skills in a second.

laereal · November 2018

OFFL1MIT wrote: »

I get what you're saying, would be awesome when you call a mount it would have additional slot or presloted rapid and you just Y+B and bam you're on rapid . PC users can get away with this, because you can slot while riding without stopping, or install addon that changes skills in a second.

Yeah it just popped into my mind that OP might not even be on PC so i'm sorry if it wasnt at all helpful.

kargen27 · November 2018

Itacira wrote: »

@MaxwellC Don't mind Acrolas, they have a lot of internal conflict that they express through their forum presence.

I would actually find it really cool ! Also, perhaps different kind of mounts could have different kind of damages. Following VaranisArano's trampling comment, it could be fun if wolves, senches and bears could have some sort of biting damage (idk, perhaps wolves' have a chance of slowing, and senches of bleeding and bears of fearing), whereas horses, elks and camels would trample (with each some form of additional effect), and so on with the others.

Can you imagine a pouncing Nix Oxen mount? I already hate them when I meet them in the wild, I'd run away screaming if I saw a hint of an enemy player riding one x)

They can't give different types of mounts different skills without being accused of pay to win. So long as there is a mount that is crown store only all mounts have to be treated the same other than cosmetic differences.

Acrolas · November 2018

Itacira wrote: »

@MaxwellC Don't mind Acrolas, they have a lot of internal conflict that they express through their forum presence.

Of course. And that Unfathomable Darkness I always have tucked in my back pocket.

I don't determine my abilities based on grouping. I determine them based on what I need to handle other players when the odds are stacked against me. Sometimes that means Rapid and hide. So in PVP I've never viewed it as strictly a mount skill to keep up with the scroll parade.

MaxwellC · November 2018

@laereal
Well I'm not arguing for a mount to have a specific "specialty" but for mounts to have abilities added to them and that they would have 1 slot to add those abilities. I do reject the notion that the three attribute system somehow makes a mount specialize in a singular avenue because it doesn't nor does the system suggest that since you're able to obtain all 3 attributes at the very same time.

I think way back in the day the system was like that where you could only utilize one attribute per mount but again that's not my argument here.

Tasear · November 2018

Hmm like a quest reward?

Perwulf · November 2018

Doubt it.

Lots of threads about giving mounts more meaning but is not well received by the community and I have no idea why. I guess they fear that their "limited edition mount" will be worthless once mounts played a larger role.

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO · November 2018

no cuz ultimately someone will ask for this and zos already brought unicorns in to the game as a reply to my trolling so I will be straight only now...

MaxwellC · November 2018

@Tasear
You could earn certain abilities through quest rewards and other activities but the mount can only utilize one ability. These abilities aren't limited to what I laid out so if more players have better ideas than ofc they should be incorporated too.

ESO_Nightingale · November 2018

Itacira wrote: »

@MaxwellC Don't mind Acrolas, they have a lot of internal conflict that they express through their forum presence.

I would actually find it really cool ! Also, perhaps different kind of mounts could have different kind of damages. Following VaranisArano's trampling comment, it could be fun if wolves, senches and bears could have some sort of biting damage (idk, perhaps wolves' have a chance of slowing, and senches of bleeding and bears of fearing), whereas horses, elks and camels would trample (with each some form of additional effect), and so on with the others.

Can you imagine a pouncing Nix Oxen mount? I already hate them when I meet them in the wild, I'd run away screaming if I saw a hint of an enemy player riding one x)

Camels would have a fear attack with their mating sac. And its not the one situated around their pelvis. Trust me its horrifying.

Jaraal · November 2018

MaxwellC wrote: »

I was wondering why can't we imbue mounts with certain abilities?

I thought to myself as I had to stop and change a skill just to slot rapid manuvers (solo PvP player), why not allow us to imbue skills we unlocked into mounts via quest, resource, or consumables. You could add other abilities that stop you from getting dismounted, increase defenses while mounted, etc.

All of these suggestions would be a singular skill you could add to the mount (one skill only). Some may suggest that it'll make some group abilities useless but remember in PvP these effects only work when you're in a group and in PvE you could slot the skill yourself.

Thoughts?

You mean, like the Shadow Rider skill from the Dark Brotherhood line? Or the Adept Rider armor set?

I'd like to have a cool ability where I can stand tall in the saddle while riding.... maybe look like a goblin while doing it. That would be awesome!

Viserys_Varanis · November 2018

60 bag space is quite the powerful ability already tbh

Vapirko · November 2018

Immovibility and EOTS. Out of the way zerglings.

idk · November 2018

Acrolas wrote: »

Skill and abilities are opportunity costs. If you want Rapid you're going to have to give something up.

Also I'm not sure what "solo PVP" is, unless you just have a lot of internal conflict that you express through your character.

You are correct about slotting rapids is a choice. It would be no different than what OP is actually suggesting.

However, it is not clear where you get this "solo PvP" from as OP does not talk about such things. He does mention being a solo PvP players which is obviously one who does not run in groups.

Elsterchen · November 2018

Well, mounts have been equalized in their properties to allow mounts on sale in the crown store.

I don#t see a way turning back ... unless anyone takes a discussion about buy to win, and wins it.

idk · November 2018

Viserys_Varanis wrote: »

60 bag space is quite the powerful ability already tbh

The 60 stamina is much more powerful. I recall back when we could only upgrade 50x, bought the in-game mount with the added speed so we moved fast in PvP. However, it was rarely wise to sprint since stam went fast and it meant any hit was a dismount.

Blackleopardex · November 2018

Ye would be awesome if we could train them with for example stamina for not falling off so quickly, speed for riding faster and some way to increase our inventory...

Itacira · November 2018

Aaaah, I didn't take ptw into account

Still, would be cool if mounting gave a different skillbar

Kuramas9tails · November 2018

I like the idea but not make it mount race (?) bound but something any mount can harvest. I always liked the idea of being able to have someone else ride my mount so they can do range damage as I steer the mount. Or if they had a slow mount, they could hitch a ride on mine. Imagine having someone follow you while you were on your mount and your partner could turn and hit them with raged abilities. Or if you go over a cliff with your mount, you all die.

Meh heh heh.

kojou · November 2018

I would want to have my flame attro wolf with a flame AoE at it's feet.