I hated to even say anything about it, in a way. I waited a month to see if it got any better. It hasn't and I'm bitter.

lientier wrote: »

I dont like that the drop rates seem to decrease.. farming is much more rewarding if you sometimes find something. With the rates at the moment its actually discouragaing me even going to farm. Same goes actually for all the very rare motives like from the fishing bottles. I got the achievement after hours and hours of fishing with special food.. and found some bottles.. not many.. and got one motive from them.. wow.

Exactly, we play games to have fun, tactics like this are very discouraging.

When I end up feeling exasperated instead of having fun, it's time to take a break I reckon. It's a shame because I really enjoy housing, but the way it's going, a subscription is a waste of money if I'm going to have to purchase additional stuff I want in order to keep playing.

There is one thing that most of all about furnishing plans makes the fur on the back of the neck stand up yes.

The redguard, argonian, orc recipes etc. They drop everywhere - including Murkmire. Murkmire recipes drop only in Murkmire. So why then are they not the only sort of recipes that drop there???!!!

Either have them drop everywhere or if you must have them drop in one place then have only those recipes drop in that zone. Khajiit is getting recipes for sure but the chances of one of them being in the Murkmire style is so very very low when they are mixed up with everything else yes.

The fair thing to do would be perhaps when a zone is new have the recipes drop only there. Then when the next zone or dungeon comes out and the zone is no longer the newest one then have the recipes drop everywhere - like any other kind.

This one she does not understand why you would wish to kneecap the housing system in this way no? Doing this will not generate the crown furnishing sales you hope for because all it will do is end up driving people away from the system in frustration yes.

Let recipes be plentiful then travellers will spend more time in Tamriel working on their homes. More travellers spending more time in Tamriel is better for Tamriel in the long run.

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

One of the most ridiculous lengths I heard regarding the Murkmire furnishing plan grind was a guildmate running two Xbox consoles on two televisions, alternating between accounts to avoid the loss load screen time. Log out on one, the other would be loaded in, loot the stuff, pausing slightly to start the opposite account's login load screen, finish looting, then repeat the process.

He would cycle through each character on each account to avoid the cooldown (not that there's much risk of getting two Murkmire plans within the cooldown period anyway).

I'll give him credit. He and a few other diehards were among the first on Xbox to acquire all the new plans using this method. And getting even richer selling their duplicates I'm sure.

The problem is this level of extreme playstyle shouldn't be required to have even the slightest shot at getting the plans - especially ugly mud, stone and reed ones at that!

joekneegee2003ub17_ESO wrote: »

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Feric51 wrote: »

One of the most ridiculous lengths I heard regarding the Murkmire furnishing plan grind was a guildmate running two Xbox consoles on two televisions, alternating between accounts to avoid the loss load screen time. Log out on one, the other would be loaded in, loot the stuff, pausing slightly to start the opposite account's login load screen, finish looting, then repeat the process.

He would cycle through each character on each account to avoid the cooldown (not that there's much risk of getting two Murkmire plans within the cooldown period anyway).

I'll give him credit. He and a few other diehards were among the first on Xbox to acquire all the new plans using this method. And getting even richer selling their duplicates I'm sure.

The problem is this level of extreme playstyle shouldn't be required to have even the slightest shot at getting the plans - especially ugly mud, stone and reed ones at that!

See, that falls out of the realm of "fun" for me which is why I play games. I have 8 toons which I cycled through in Murkmire and still did very poorly. Granted, I didn't do it for long because it was a fairly negative experience. Log on, Loot, Log off, Log back on, rinse repeat. Nope. Ain't gonna. It's not like I want all the plans. I don't want everybody's plus mine, I just want a reward for my investment. The whole experience has sorta turned me against the Murkmire dlc, and I'm really trying not to be like that. Congrats to your friend for an insane play level, but you're right. No one should have to take it to that point of game play.

I concur wholeheartedly. I found my first Murkmire plan last night by leaving all my alts logged out in the crafting hut. I cycle through them once a day but the main purpose is to keep item research up to date on them, and proc their hirelings. The looting for plans only adds an additional 45-60 seconds, so it's only a secondary reason for logging in on them.

I did the whole character shuffle on repeat during the first few weeks of Summerset before the Traitor's Vault nerf, and I'll admit I made several million selling the plans but, like you said, there was nothing "fun" about it. It was a means to accumulate the funds for me to finish out my motif knowledge, but not an enjoyable one.

Some people may get off on the repetitive grind, so I won't be too quick to condemn the situation, but I think the majority would agree with us that the current situation regarding Murkmire plan availability (and Clockwork, and Dwemer, and Ayleid) leaves a lot of room for improvement.