Is this announcement of changing racial passives just a way to make more money?

Skullstachio · November 2018

Change or no, I’m sticking with my Orc Dragonknight, primarily because orcs are a prime example of being capable Master Craftsmer, they are known for their unshakable courage in war and their unflinching endurance of hardships.

Maotti · November 2018

Vulsahdaal wrote: »

Maotti wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Maotti wrote: »

I've mained a Nord magsorc since release, and i'll continue to do so. No racechangetokens for me.

Oh and i also have a Khajiit magsorc. 😏😀

No offence but you do know both races you mentioned are not magicka build races ye?

But each to their own as long as you are having fun I guess

I'm well aware and i don't care what people think or feel about that. Sorry.

My Nord magsorc and Redguard magplar applaud you. I can not think of any circumstances that would have me change their race either.

Yeah, i blame ZoS for doing this, making the race passive difference gap so big. And it was better at release, sorry ZoS. I just chose not to follow what everyone else does.

You on PC EU by any chance?

valeriiya · November 2018

I'm waiting to judge until it happens but it's almost guaranteed to come with bugs and issues, which I'm tired of. If there is a way for them to make money on this you know they will find a way

RavenSworn · November 2018

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

Other games have changed their racial passives. It's yet another thing that MMOs tweak sometimes.

If you're that dedicated to chasing meta, there's always going to be something to make you feel "grrr, I'm being forced to . . ."

Me, I pick races by theme & appearance. I'm usually not sure what the passives even are.

This might very well be but it gets rather annoying if they make sweeping changes which undermine what a character is built to do. In this vein I would like to point out the way in which Khajiit crit bonus at one time applied to 'weapons' which in the first iteration of the game meant Staffs, Sword and Shield, Dual Wield, Bow, 2hander. After the year one changes to what the definition of 'weapons' meant, this changed and it meant that the Khajiit wizard took a MAJOR hit. I knew people who quit the game over that. The Khajiit mage was never meta but it was in a better place before this change hit, and it fundamentally wrecked a character style for the players who played that way. This is the problem that ZoS needs to be careful with when changing and adjusting races. As I've said for years Race is way too damn important. I like the suggestion by some players that alternate 'styles' of races would be available so people could have their cake and eat it too.

Khajit mage? What are you, some sort of kitty witchy?

Jones aside though, there's so many other races that aren't even good at some things it sucks. Look at bosmer mage or nord wizard. Hell, even a Redguard mage. But they have all these Spinners and Wolf shamans and ragada mages in their lore that it just doesn't make sense that a player can't create or at least emulate that.

Nyladreas · November 2018

ck37090 wrote: »

They make an annoucement about revamping racial passives then they put race change tokens "on sale" and regardless if they make all races vanilla or they create new BIS races by jacking the passives around its going to cause allot of people to want to change their character races...and I seriously doubt they are going to give everyone free race changes on all their characters...maybe its just me but I feel like we are getting played.

Nobody here is getting played.

Meta, optimal race choices and other stupid elitist crap all make a very small minority.

Race changing is YOUR choice regardless of how will ZOS handle it, and if you and others had any sense of self control and self respect it would do absolutely nothing.

The problem isn't ZOS and your paranoid conspiracy theories. It's the fact that these people can't even play the game FOR SIMPLE FUN. Why is it so hard to make a character with a race that you LIKE for other reasons than performance? I'm about to put a hole in the wall with my head.

I'm here to have fun. Create a beautiful fantasy character and play a story. I want to be a strong hero or villain too, but this kind of mentality takes the cake. I'm here to go on a magickal journey and adventure. Not grow my ego and my epeen and sense of self worth like some folks who have none IRL are are too lazy to fix that. Let alone feed some sociopathic traits some players often exercise here on the forums as well as ingame.

If ZOS indeed does put the tokens on sale.... Then you deserve it and I will only feel sorry for you.

I hope they do just so I can laugh at how many people get swindled by this pathetic thing like 3% extra dps, even though I'd rather have them make racials much less impactful as a whole.

PS: STOP SAYING THERE ARE RACES WHO "FAIL" AT PLAYING A CLASS WITH STAMIMA/MAGICKA FOCUS! It's not true, they do just fine, extremely well even. Just stop with this pathetic nonsense.

TL;DR: It's all in your head.

VaranisArano · November 2018

Nyladreas wrote: »

ck37090 wrote: »

They make an annoucement about revamping racial passives then they put race change tokens "on sale" and regardless if they make all races vanilla or they create new BIS races by jacking the passives around its going to cause allot of people to want to change their character races...and I seriously doubt they are going to give everyone free race changes on all their characters...maybe its just me but I feel like we are getting played.

Nobody here is getting played.

Meta, optimal race choices and other stupid elitist crap all make a very small minority.

Race changing is YOUR choice regardless of how will ZOS handle it, and if you and others had any sense of self control and self respect it would do absolutely nothing.

The problem isn't ZOS and your paranoid conspiracy theories. It's the fact that these people can't even play the game FOR SIMPLE FUN. Why is it so hard to make a character with a race that you LIKE for other reasons than performance? I'm about to put a hole in the wall with my head.

I'm here to have fun. Create a beautiful fantasy character and play a story. I want to be a strong hero or villain too, but this kind of mentality takes the cake. I'm here to go on a magickal journey and adventure. Not grow my ego and my epeen and sense of self worth like some folks who have none IRL are are too lazy to fix that. Let alone feed some sociopathic traits some players often exercise here on the forums as well as ingame.

If ZOS indeed does put the tokens on sale.... Then you deserve it and I will only feel sorry for you.

I hope they do just so I can laugh at how many people get swindled by this pathetic thing like 3% extra dps, even though I'd rather have them make racials much less impactful as a whole.

PS: STOP SAYING THERE ARE RACES WHO "FAIL" AT PLAYING A CLASS WITH STAMIMA/MAGICKA FOCUS! It's not true, they do just fine, extremely well even. Just stop with this pathetic nonsense.

TL;DR: It's all in your head.

To play devil's advocate, what's wring with playing ESO with a focus on performance?

At top tier levels in trials and in PVP, race choice does make a difference. My Dunmer StamWarden will objectively perform less well than a Redguard StamWarden. As for my Breton StamSorc...at a certain level of play in PVP or DPS counts in PVE where the racial traits do make a difference, my Breton StamSorc is not going to make the cut.

But unless you play at those levels, and I don't, it doesnt really matter a whole lot. I love my Breton Silencer, even though she's a hilariously bad racial choice for the class she wound up playing. There's absolutely value to, as you say, playing the game to have fun with whatever race you want to role play.

But lets not pretend that there isnt a level at which racial choices do matter. And lets not act like the people who play this game for the high-end PVP and PVE (which is just as valid a reason to play as your "for fun" is) for which racial choices and meta chasing and theory crafting do matter don't have a reason to be looking at the upcoming changes with some trepidation.

So, before you put your head through a wall, consider that we all have different definitions of fun.

Salvas_Aren · November 2018

Well, I think some of you missed the point:

Some players like the fact that they created chars with best passives. Adapting is part of the game, true.

Now Zeni announces they try to mess with things that we can adapt to, either by starting new chars or using crowns. That's a potential nightmare!

To translate it to RP-language: Would you like Zeni to change your appearance and force you to start a new char or use a crown token to clean the mess up?

The point is: They are announcing changes outside our comfort zone and mess with that part of our decisions that were made for an account's life. It's not just a new BiS set. They put a second Damokles sword next to the one of class nerfs.

The question is: Will after these changes best mag/stam/tank/heal/whatever classes will remain the same? In other words - will it be a mere nerf and/or will they introduce a new benefit that applies to old players as well? Or will they totally throw over the former passives and identities? Maybe repeatedly?

Prepare for the worse.

Nyladreas · November 2018

VaranisArano wrote: »

Nyladreas wrote: »

ck37090 wrote: »

They make an annoucement about revamping racial passives then they put race change tokens "on sale" and regardless if they make all races vanilla or they create new BIS races by jacking the passives around its going to cause allot of people to want to change their character races...and I seriously doubt they are going to give everyone free race changes on all their characters...maybe its just me but I feel like we are getting played.

Nobody here is getting played.

Meta, optimal race choices and other stupid elitist crap all make a very small minority.

Race changing is YOUR choice regardless of how will ZOS handle it, and if you and others had any sense of self control and self respect it would do absolutely nothing.

The problem isn't ZOS and your paranoid conspiracy theories. It's the fact that these people can't even play the game FOR SIMPLE FUN. Why is it so hard to make a character with a race that you LIKE for other reasons than performance? I'm about to put a hole in the wall with my head.

I'm here to have fun. Create a beautiful fantasy character and play a story. I want to be a strong hero or villain too, but this kind of mentality takes the cake. I'm here to go on a magickal journey and adventure. Not grow my ego and my epeen and sense of self worth like some folks who have none IRL are are too lazy to fix that. Let alone feed some sociopathic traits some players often exercise here on the forums as well as ingame.

If ZOS indeed does put the tokens on sale.... Then you deserve it and I will only feel sorry for you.

I hope they do just so I can laugh at how many people get swindled by this pathetic thing like 3% extra dps, even though I'd rather have them make racials much less impactful as a whole.

PS: STOP SAYING THERE ARE RACES WHO "FAIL" AT PLAYING A CLASS WITH STAMIMA/MAGICKA FOCUS! It's not true, they do just fine, extremely well even. Just stop with this pathetic nonsense.

TL;DR: It's all in your head.

To play devil's advocate, what's wring with playing ESO with a focus on performance?

At top tier levels in trials and in PVP, race choice does make a difference. My Dunmer StamWarden will objectively perform less well than a Redguard StamWarden. As for my Breton StamSorc...at a certain level of play in PVP or DPS counts in PVE where the racial traits do make a difference, my Breton StamSorc is not going to make the cut.

But unless you play at those levels, and I don't, it doesnt really matter a whole lot. I love my Breton Silencer, even though she's a hilariously bad racial choice for the class she wound up playing. There's absolutely value to, as you say, playing the game to have fun with whatever race you want to role play.

But lets not pretend that there isnt a level at which racial choices do matter. And lets not act like the people who play this game for the high-end PVP and PVE (which is just as valid a reason to play as your "for fun" is) for which racial choices and meta chasing and theory crafting do matter don't have a reason to be looking at the upcoming changes with some trepidation.

So, before you put your head through a wall, consider that we all have different definitions of fun.

Why? Because these elite players are extremely toxic at best. And I've just about had enough of their cries and complaints.

Also, its clearly not fun. If you go out of your way to bash "lesser" players, kick them, complain about them and what not, cause you're clearly "better" than them, it's not fun. It's your issues that you are taking out on people who don't deserve it. Especially new players. What baffles me is how often somebody comes here to flex their numbers too while simultaneously bashing a group of random noobs. If you also go as far as complain to the devs about their changes hurting your top tier performance, that's also proving some points.

It's sad is what this is, and it bothers me, because it's more than obvious why these people do it. I've been around in mmos for the past 15 years. Don't try to convince me it's "another definition of fun" lol.

I'm a top tier endgame player too, but unlike epeen growers I know where the line is.

jediodyn_ESO · November 2018

Honestly, so happy about this change. Every race in game has a mix of classes in the story, but as players in a min/max universe, it isn’t realistic to make an off race-class. At some point you hit a game ceiling doing raids or PvP that limits your progress.

Make racial identity meaningful with superficially exclusive looks and styles. Keep the mechanics separate!

Elsonso · November 2018

jediodyn_ESO wrote: »

Honestly, so happy about this change. Every race in game has a mix of classes in the story, but as players in a min/max universe, it isn’t realistic to make an off race-class. At some point you hit a game ceiling doing raids or PvP that limits your progress.

Make racial identity meaningful with superficially exclusive looks and styles. Keep the mechanics separate!

I am so hoping they don't do that.

Otherwise, why not do the same to classes and weapons? Just separate the mechanics from the superficial appearance. The skills and passives define the character, and we can slim that down to a handful of possible options.

In my mind, they need to make sure that they retain distinct races, with strengths and weaknesses across the roles, while maintaining viability in all roles. There should not be a single OP race for a role, but eliminating the idea that there could be an "off-race" is taking it too far.

VaranisArano · November 2018

Nyladreas wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Nyladreas wrote: »

ck37090 wrote: »

They make an annoucement about revamping racial passives then they put race change tokens "on sale" and regardless if they make all races vanilla or they create new BIS races by jacking the passives around its going to cause allot of people to want to change their character races...and I seriously doubt they are going to give everyone free race changes on all their characters...maybe its just me but I feel like we are getting played.

Nobody here is getting played.

Meta, optimal race choices and other stupid elitist crap all make a very small minority.

Race changing is YOUR choice regardless of how will ZOS handle it, and if you and others had any sense of self control and self respect it would do absolutely nothing.

The problem isn't ZOS and your paranoid conspiracy theories. It's the fact that these people can't even play the game FOR SIMPLE FUN. Why is it so hard to make a character with a race that you LIKE for other reasons than performance? I'm about to put a hole in the wall with my head.

I'm here to have fun. Create a beautiful fantasy character and play a story. I want to be a strong hero or villain too, but this kind of mentality takes the cake. I'm here to go on a magickal journey and adventure. Not grow my ego and my epeen and sense of self worth like some folks who have none IRL are are too lazy to fix that. Let alone feed some sociopathic traits some players often exercise here on the forums as well as ingame.

If ZOS indeed does put the tokens on sale.... Then you deserve it and I will only feel sorry for you.

I hope they do just so I can laugh at how many people get swindled by this pathetic thing like 3% extra dps, even though I'd rather have them make racials much less impactful as a whole.

PS: STOP SAYING THERE ARE RACES WHO "FAIL" AT PLAYING A CLASS WITH STAMIMA/MAGICKA FOCUS! It's not true, they do just fine, extremely well even. Just stop with this pathetic nonsense.

TL;DR: It's all in your head.

To play devil's advocate, what's wring with playing ESO with a focus on performance?

At top tier levels in trials and in PVP, race choice does make a difference. My Dunmer StamWarden will objectively perform less well than a Redguard StamWarden. As for my Breton StamSorc...at a certain level of play in PVP or DPS counts in PVE where the racial traits do make a difference, my Breton StamSorc is not going to make the cut.

But unless you play at those levels, and I don't, it doesnt really matter a whole lot. I love my Breton Silencer, even though she's a hilariously bad racial choice for the class she wound up playing. There's absolutely value to, as you say, playing the game to have fun with whatever race you want to role play.

But lets not pretend that there isnt a level at which racial choices do matter. And lets not act like the people who play this game for the high-end PVP and PVE (which is just as valid a reason to play as your "for fun" is) for which racial choices and meta chasing and theory crafting do matter don't have a reason to be looking at the upcoming changes with some trepidation.

So, before you put your head through a wall, consider that we all have different definitions of fun.

Why? Because these elite players are extremely toxic at best. And I've just about had enough of their cries and complaints.

Also, its clearly not fun. If you go out of your way to bash "lesser" players, kick them, complain about them and what not, cause you're clearly "better" than them, it's not fun. It's your issues that you are taking out on people who don't deserve it. Especially new players. What baffles me is how often somebody comes here to flex their numbers too while simultaneously bashing a group of random noobs. If you also go as far as complain to the devs about their changes hurting your top tier performance, that's also proving some points.

It's sad is what this is, and it bothers me, because it's more than obvious why these people do it. I've been around in mmos for the past 15 years. Don't try to convince me it's "another definition of fun" lol.

I'm a top tier endgame player too, but unlike epeen growers I know where the line is.

So basically, your gripe is toxic behavior.

Its entirely possible to have fun and being focused on the meta and top tier performance, and thus unhappy that ZOS is changing yet another thing that will have a major impact on the meta and top tier performance - without being toxic to other players or belitting their choices of race/class combos.

Perhaps in your experience, painting with such a broad brush is justified. In mine, its not.

There's nothing wrong with playing with a focus on performance and top tier level play.

There's something wrong when that or any other playstyle becomes toxic, belittling other players for their desired playstyle.

MehrunesFlagon · November 2018

Great.fixing another thing that isn't broken.

MLGProPlayer · November 2018

MehrunesFlagon wrote: »

Great.fixing another thing that isn't broken.

It's pretty damn broken.

Stamina DPS has 1 viable race: Redguard

Tanks and healers have 1 viable race: Argonian

Magicka DPS is actually fine with all 3 races being viable (although Breton is a bit behind)

The reason magicka races are fine is because they all pretty much have the same bonuses: +9-10% max magicka and another buff (+ele damage for Altmer and Dunmer and +magicka defence and magicka regen for Breton).

For stamina DPS and tanking/healing, Redgiard and Argonian have insane bobuses that no other race has.

Alpheu5 · November 2018

Somewhat tangential

https://youtu.be/d50dLba3Tiw

zaria · November 2018

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Maotti wrote: »

I've mained a Nord magsorc since release, and i'll continue to do so. No racechangetokens for me.

Oh and i also have a Khajiit magsorc. 😏😀

No offence but you do know both races you mentioned are not magicka build races ye?

But each to their own as long as you are having fun I guess

Stamina and magic races was not an thing at launch it came with the removal of soft caps.
Lots don't bother following the meta here.

ezio45 · November 2018

wont need a race change

because

1) if u21 doesnt fix shields im out
2) if u21 nerfs my race into the ground im out

Oreyn_Bearclaw · November 2018

This was my first thought as well. Some people like to be smug and shame others for min/maxing, but the reality is that if you do care about it, your race is a big part of a build.

Unless they homogenize races, there will be some race that emerges as meta for a particular playstyle. People will be pretty upset if they wake up the day after patch and are looking at needing 15 race change tokens, and rightfully so. Feels like a cash grab under the guise of a balance change if you ask me. They could of course prove me wrong by making race change free for the first week after patch, but I won’t hold my breath.

Elsonso · November 2018

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

This was my first thought as well. Some people like to be smug and shame others for min/maxing, but the reality is that if you do care about it, your race is a big part of a build.

Unless they homogenize races, there will be some race that emerges as meta for a particular playstyle. People will be pretty upset if they wake up the day after patch and are looking at needing 15 race change tokens, and rightfully so. Feels like a cash grab under the guise of a balance change if you ask me. They could of course prove me wrong by making race change free for the first week after patch, but I won’t hold my breath.

The thing is that there has to be a way to make builds that are better than others. Or worse than others. Otherwise, what's the point of making a character? Just hand us "Bob" and let us dress him up.

Ohtimbar · November 2018

I like and support the idea of rebalancing racial passives to level the playing field a bit. It could provide fewer obvious binary choices and make things more interesting. However, I'm not confident that the reality of those changes will be as pleasant as the concept, and it could ruin many, many builds for established players, and that's closely following nerfmire which already upset a lot of applecarts.

If nothing else, I think free or very cheap race change tokens might be in order. They're stupidly overpriced to begin with. If the upcoming changes are severe and nothing is done to compensate, then we'll know it was a ploy.

DoobZ69 · November 2018

I like how people say "play for fun". Well we do and then we get told constantly by others that we should play this or that and then we get told we won't be invited to join the guild trial runs unless the character is this or that. Then the advice is suddenly "play for fun and make your own guild or find another". Well you know what? I had fun playing with that character and that guild and don't want to have to do that. Your advice is rubbish. Fix the damn races and all these players won't have to create new guilds and look for new ones because that isn't fun.

They said they will balance the races because they're not balanced. End.of.story.

Maulclaw · November 2018

Eiagra wrote: »

I generally stick to orcs, regardless of the meta. I mean, orcs do have a monopoly on all the sexy, so they're going to perform well just about anywhere, ya know?

I understand where you're coming from, though. And if you want to squeeze every last digit out of those numbers, yeah, maybe that means switching or re-creating a character when the meta changes. That's kinda why I don't follow it. I know the game is going to change. A lot. Instead of the MOST efficient tactics available, I'll stick to tactics that are generally sufficient for my needs.

Sure, I won't be wowing everyone with my DPS parses. But I'll get by. *shrug* Do most of the playerbase follow the meta? Or are most players just learning or doing whatever suits them? That'll answer your question.

Good to see another fellow orc-lover!

Rocki · November 2018

Nyladreas wrote: »

Not grow my ego and my epeen and sense of self worth like some folks who have none IRL are are too lazy to fix that. Let alone feed some sociopathic traits some players often exercise here on the forums as well as ingame.

Nyladreas wrote: »

Why? Because these elite players are extremely toxic at best.

How ironic, how about you stop judging and insulting others for the way they choose to play the game? I min/max, I chose my races based on the roles I wanted them to fulfill but I don't insult people for playing the game differently than me.

russelmmendoza · November 2018

It is another method to keep players interested in the game.
They nerf skills class sets buff debuffs to keep players into grinding.
If players reach their best in a game they will loose interest in it.
Now to make it even harder changing racial passive is next.
They will keep changing things to keep you from getting bored ingame.

Chufu · November 2018

I think you can only be unhappy if you didn't choose the race that you like the most yourself, but instead choose "the best" race for your class, just for endgame progress.

And as it is possible ingame to buy crowns for gold (trading with players), there is no problem for the race chance.

It's of course easier to buy it with the crowns of ESO Plus, but not necessary.

I still wonder that i see screaming although the race changes are not published yet.

#makeorcthebestrace

Nyladreas · November 2018

Rocki wrote: »

Nyladreas wrote: »

Not grow my ego and my epeen and sense of self worth like some folks who have none IRL are are too lazy to fix that. Let alone feed some sociopathic traits some players often exercise here on the forums as well as ingame.

Nyladreas wrote: »

Why? Because these elite players are extremely toxic at best.

How ironic, how about you stop judging and insulting others for the way they choose to play the game? I min/max, I chose my races based on the roles I wanted them to fulfill but I don't insult people for playing the game differently than me.

If you read the rest of what I wrote in my comments you would know that what I said does not apply to you, if you indeed do not insult and discriminate people for their chosen style of gameplay. Not sure why would you feel the need to explain yourself unless there's more you're not telling

Rocki · November 2018

Chufu wrote: »

I think you can only be unhappy if you didn't choose the race that you like the most yourself, but instead choose "the best" race for your class, just for endgame progress.

And as it is possible ingame to buy crowns for gold (trading with players), there is no problem for the race chance.

It's of course easier to buy it with the crowns of ESO Plus, but not necessary.

I still wonder that i see screaming although the race changes are not published yet.

#makeorcthebestrace

With the current discount it would be 36,750 crowns to change the race of 15 characters. 52,500 crowns without the discount and I can't see why anyone would buy them now without knowing what the changes will be.

Given the current gold/crown price on PC/EU, that would be almost 13 million gold at the discounted price, over 18 million gold at the normal price.

Is it really that much of a wonder that people are worried? For some people, the race that they like the most is the best race for the role. How can anyone say their way of choosing to play the game is the wrong way?

Elwendryll · November 2018

Chufu wrote: »

I think you can only be unhappy if you didn't choose the race that you like the most yourself, but instead choose "the best" race for your class, just for endgame progress.

And as it is possible ingame to buy crowns for gold (trading with players), there is no problem for the race chance.

It's of course easier to buy it with the crowns of ESO Plus, but not necessary.

I still wonder that i see screaming although the race changes are not published yet.

#makeorcthebestrace

People know that they are playing overperforming (or at least not underperforming) races.

I'm not worried at all, since I started the game in 2015, I just played the way I like, and I have been consistently encouraged to do so each update. So I'm actually excited, because I have been asking for an update on the racial passives for quite a long time.

alanmatillab16_ESO · November 2018

Rocki wrote: »

Nyladreas wrote: »

Not grow my ego and my epeen and sense of self worth like some folks who have none IRL are are too lazy to fix that. Let alone feed some sociopathic traits some players often exercise here on the forums as well as ingame.

Nyladreas wrote: »

Why? Because these elite players are extremely toxic at best.

How ironic, how about you stop judging and insulting others for the way they choose to play the game? I min/max, I chose my races based on the roles I wanted them to fulfill but I don't insult people for playing the game differently than me.

Minimaxers as a group of players are the bane of MMOs and are always the ones whining for buffs/nerfs. Ironically the only way to get rid of them is to turn games into what they want: All races, classes and gear to be the same.

My sig says it all.

Rocki · November 2018

alanmatillab16_ESO wrote: »

Rocki wrote: »

Nyladreas wrote: »

Not grow my ego and my epeen and sense of self worth like some folks who have none IRL are are too lazy to fix that. Let alone feed some sociopathic traits some players often exercise here on the forums as well as ingame.

Nyladreas wrote: »

Why? Because these elite players are extremely toxic at best.

How ironic, how about you stop judging and insulting others for the way they choose to play the game? I min/max, I chose my races based on the roles I wanted them to fulfill but I don't insult people for playing the game differently than me.

Minimaxers as a group of players are the bane of MMOs and are always the ones whining for buffs/nerfs. Ironically the only way to get rid of them is to turn games into what they want: All races, classes and gear to be the same.

My sig says it all.

Actually, I'm a minmaxer and I'm neither always whining for buffs/nerfs, nor am I the bane of MMOs (lol). Seems like you're paying a bit too much attention to a vocal minority and painting an entire group with the same brush.

gepe87 · November 2018

Finally a magsorc khajiit? 😍