Please don't merge roles.
As if it wasn't already the issue that with enough Magblades in the group a healer isn't particularly needed.

well zmaga is a trial so its not part of this discussion because you would still have a main healer. If your tank died though your healer could step up so that would actually be an advantage.

the truth of it is though is that all they would need to do is increase taunt to 18-20 seconds or so and the same with the pierce armor and heroic slash debuffs and there would be plenty of time for other activities. perhaps duration of armor buffs. Certainly enough time for a mutagen and healing springs. Combat prayer isnt required when you have 3 dps though you could use it if you wanted.

beyond that templars would still do their templar thing (i was a templar main for the longest time). All templar skills actually fit the tanking role they just dont have the stam regen the dk does but it seems zos is working on it.

the game would be better for it because dps will have to learn to survive a little better in the dungeons. If the healer dies in a dungeon nobody dies they just heal themselves in most cases so it isnt a great stretch.

consolidation of support would require minimal changes to the game as what i describe is already occuring to some degree and would greatly reduce the groupfinder times through more available tanks and more dps in the group.

the games going that way anyway. I dont see the point in fighting it because your idea of what is is stuck in stone. I certainly dont want to see every classes self healing crushed to justify a role that's not really needed.

I think in the earlier dungeons on normal difficulty, a high level experienced player could do both these roles easily. What happens when I queue and end up with a CP20 player who hardly knows what their doing?

I think this would cause far more problems than it would alleviate.

Rungar wrote: »

the truth of it is though is that all they would need to do is increase taunt to 18-20 seconds or so and the same with the pierce armor and heroic slash debuffs and there would be plenty of time for other activities. perhaps duration of armor buffs. Certainly enough time for a mutagen and healing springs. Combat prayer isnt required when you have 3 dps though you could use it if you wanted.

NB tanks already have most of this. Shade + passive is a 20 second Minor Maim and Piercing Mark's Major Fracture/Breach lasts a full 30 seconds. You're not even losing an ability slot since you already have Inner Fire on bar anyway.

Find a DPS to queue as healer while you queue as tank and go random for the other two. If that's what you want, that's how you do it.

Dungeon setup should have 3 damage dealers. Just increase dungeon difficulty when necessary. This will most likely result to a shorter queuing time for DPS.

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Right now the focus of healers is to give dps more dps. Spell power cure or Olorime both have little to do with healing. Additionally any player can provide debuffs based on class/skill lines so you dont need a dedicated healer for that.

less requirement for healers will actually improve the functionality of dps because they will have to learn to stay alive ( which is not an unreasonable proposition in dungeons) on their own with more limited healing support.

This doesnt prevent magplars or stamdens or stam dks. All this really does is consolidate support so a space is freed up to accommodate the vast majority of players. Other options are to increase group size to 5 but even that wont increase tanks in any way and could easily backfire as it would require great changes to all the group content.

So if you look at the tank role as the support role and adjust a few skills durations and how heals work i really dont see a downside.

Nothing wrong with a little adaptation.

so templar and warden tanks dont like to heal? dk tanks dont have any heals and nightblade tanks dont heal.

not buying it.

Rungar wrote: »

so templar and warden tanks dont like to heal? dk tanks dont have any heals and nightblade tanks dont heal.

not buying it.

My warden tank is perfectly happy to heal herself and thus give secondary healing to the group while she crowd controls adds, holds boss aggro, buffs, debuffs, and deals with mechanics. Same thing with my Sorc tank and the twilight.

My warden tank would not enjoy being wholly responsibile for the survival of the entire group of PUGs on top of doing all the above. Neither would my sorc.

As for my MagDK tank, LOL. Sure, I'll throw Healing Springs, Combat Prayer, and Healing ward into my rotation somewhere in the middle of talons, chains, Pierce Armor, Inner Fire, Burning Embers, Igneous Weapons, and Igneous Shield. It'll go fine, I'm sure!

Have you considered that lots of PUG groyps suck and need a competent healer?

Have you considered that a good tank is already doing a full tank rotation to maintain control of the battlefield and that any healing they provide is secondary? Especially on harder dungeons.

Have you considered that non-warden Stam Tanks have very little healing options? What's a StamDK supposed to use to heal the group, Vigor?

And finally, are you going to bother to respond to any of my points, since you've otherwise ignored me?

there would be no need for the tank to bear the full burden of healing as it would be better distributed among all the players.

so tank healing could be enhanced especially with aoe heals but dps self sufficiency could be improved upon as well.

I think Warden are already good as a Tank Off-Heal. You don't really need the player who can do almost anything. With 56k HP, you can heal all your surrounding allies a whopping amount of 8k HP, and can crits. On top of that, u also have a very cheap ultimate heal that also heals a lot. And lastly u have Lotus Flower, where normal attacks heals 1k while heavy attacks heals 4k to you or allies with lower health which can also proc Minor Toughness to allies, Major Mending to yourself for better heals, and return resources for every heals you make on allies. Warden also got Leeching Vines, which can applies Minor Lifesteal to enemies. Like DK, Warden also have CC which is Gripping Shard, where the damages scale off HP, Major Protection buff, Major Resolve and Major Ward buff to allies, which make Warden a very, very solid Tank Off-Heal. Thing is, Templar should play this role coz they're some kind like Paladin..

Reistoph wrote: »

I think Warden are already good as a Tank Off-Heal. You don't really need the player who can do almost anything. With 56k HP, you can heal all your surrounding allies a whopping amount of 8k HP, and can crits. On top of that, u also have a very cheap ultimate heal that also heals a lot. And lastly u have Lotus Flower, where normal attacks heals 1k while heavy attacks heals 4k to you or allies with lower health which can also proc Minor Toughness to allies, Major Mending to yourself for better heals, and return resources for every heals you make on allies. Warden also got Leeching Vines, which can applies Minor Lifesteal to enemies. Like DK, Warden also have CC which is Gripping Shard, where the damages scale off HP, Major Protection buff, Major Resolve and Major Ward buff to allies, which make Warden a very, very solid Tank Off-Heal. Thing is, Templar should play this role coz they're some kind like Paladin..

i fully agree. This isnt the stretch some make it out to be. I would also like to see templars be able to do this in their own way.

No.

That’s basically one person carrying 3. One person with all the responsibilities and 3 people who get to spin in place. No. No. No. Who would do this thankless job? I already heal with my tank as an incidental result of my skills, now you want people to build for that?

How do you suppose hat will even work?
Stack stamina to get long blocks
Stack Magicka to get strong heals
Can’t have both. If you try stamina healing while tanking then you are using the stam to heal 4 people, block, roll and fire abilities.
Magicka stacking means lower stamina pool for blocking, interrupting etc

Just no. No.