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Stamina Templar PVP Build for Murkmire: Lets Go Beastmode ! Stamplar is back !
iCelticOwnU
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I have been a stamina templar MAIN since the game came out on Xbox in 2015. It has been some harsh years for the stamina templar but finally it is in a good place. I have done alot of theory crafting with tons of different sets, abilities and rotations (spent way too much gold i might add) I can finally say I have found a great combination of weapons, skills and sets etc that really make the stamplar shine. Murkmire has been a great patch for stamplar. Tested out my rotation and set up last night in some BG matches and have left an image bellow to show how well it can perform. Feel free to comment and i will update the post as need be for anyone trying to learn or figure out a good stamplar PVP set up.
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My current set up is:
Race: Orc
Gear: 5 medium 2 heavy
sets are:
5 x Bonepirate
5 x Ravager
1 x Might Chudan
1 x Pirate Skeleton
2H Sword: Nirnhoned (Front Bar) Crushing Enchant
Skills:
Power of the light (huge damage)
Biting Jabs (will proc Ravager ALOT)
Exectioner (Execute , will proc crushing enchant)
Rally (heal and buff)
Dizzying Swing (Main Stun, also will proc crushing enchant)
Ultimate: Dawnbreaker of Smiting
Dual Wield: Infused (Back Bar) Weapon Damage Enchant / Disease Enchant
Skills:
Rending Slashes (will proc Weapon enchants)
Quick Cloak (will proc Weapon enchants + Ravager)
Vigor
Extended Ritual
Restoring Focus
Ultimate: Empowering Sweep
Notes:
I have come to learn that the new changes to the enchants have really helped maintain a lot of damage on this set up.
Using Empowering sweep is a major advantage to reducing incoming damage due to Major Protection, and has a very low ultimate cost. Very helpful when 1vX players.
Makes this set up very tanky although we are wearing medium armor
Another important point is that Dizzying Swing is very clunky and hard to hit. This is why i use Quick Cloak, immediately before bar swapping and using dizzy swing. This helps alot to ensure the ability hits the target. Takes some practice but works great !
Quick Cloak has multiple purposes for this build:
1. Procs weapon Enchants
2. Procs Ravager
3. Reduces AOE damage by 25%
4. Gives major expedtion to allow easier dizzying swing hits and enhanced mobility.
Please feel free to comment any questions and I will be more than willing to help out anyone trying to learn Stamplar on Xbox or become better.
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My current set up is:
Race: Orc
Gear: 5 medium 2 heavy
sets are:
5 x Bonepirate
5 x Ravager
1 x Might Chudan
1 x Pirate Skeleton
2H Sword: Nirnhoned (Front Bar) Crushing Enchant
Skills:
Power of the light (huge damage)
Biting Jabs (will proc Ravager ALOT)
Exectioner (Execute , will proc crushing enchant)
Rally (heal and buff)
Dizzying Swing (Main Stun, also will proc crushing enchant)
Ultimate: Dawnbreaker of Smiting
Dual Wield: Infused (Back Bar) Weapon Damage Enchant / Disease Enchant
Skills:
Rending Slashes (will proc Weapon enchants)
Quick Cloak (will proc Weapon enchants + Ravager)
Vigor
Extended Ritual
Restoring Focus
Ultimate: Empowering Sweep
Notes:
I have come to learn that the new changes to the enchants have really helped maintain a lot of damage on this set up.
Using Empowering sweep is a major advantage to reducing incoming damage due to Major Protection, and has a very low ultimate cost. Very helpful when 1vX players.
Makes this set up very tanky although we are wearing medium armor
Another important point is that Dizzying Swing is very clunky and hard to hit. This is why i use Quick Cloak, immediately before bar swapping and using dizzy swing. This helps alot to ensure the ability hits the target. Takes some practice but works great !
Quick Cloak has multiple purposes for this build:
1. Procs weapon Enchants
2. Procs Ravager
3. Reduces AOE damage by 25%
4. Gives major expedtion to allow easier dizzying swing hits and enhanced mobility.
Please feel free to comment any questions and I will be more than willing to help out anyone trying to learn Stamplar on Xbox or become better.
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Stigant✭✭✭✭So basically what most stamplars were already running minus troll king and masters DW backbar.
Blade Cloak can proc ravager even if cast on masters DW bar after you swap, just a fun fact.
Good build thought, glad to see Stamplar being in good place even tho I don't PvP on mine any more.6 -
Solariken✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭This has been hardline meta basically forever. Also stamplar isn't "back" it's been strong for a long time.
Based on your description I can tell you know how to play it well though. Glhf.Edited by Solariken on November 15, 2018 4:32PM5 -
Minno✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭This has been hardline meta basically forever. Also stamplar isn't "back" it's been strong for a long time.
Based on your description I can tell you know how to play it well though. Glhf.
the only thing different is using quick cloak and the explanation of such. Great ability and hope more stamplars run it for easy enchant management. I run a similar weapon ability on my magplar and the utility it provides outshines the range.Minno - DC - Forum-plar Extraordinaire
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casparian✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭How do you get by with no snare/root management tool? Why run Restoring Focus when you have Bone Pirate, instead of getting magicka for more purges (and thus snare/root management) with Channeled Focus?7-day PVP campaign regular 2016-2019, Flawless Conqueror. MagDK/stamplar/stamwarden/mageblade. Requiem, Legend, Knights of Daggerfall. Currently retired from the wars; waiting on performance improvements.0 -
iCelticOwnU✭✭How do you get by with no snare/root management tool? Why run Restoring Focus when you have Bone Pirate, instead of getting magicka for more purges (and thus snare/root management) with Channeled Focus?
Snare/root removal is done by Extended Ritual, removing 5 harmful effects instantly. Restoring focus gives me 5280 spell and physical resistance, on top of the extra stamina regen. Having high stamina regen is a must for stamplars especially since i use blad cloak alot to help my dizzying swing hit better. hope this helps0 -
iCelticOwnU✭✭This has been hardline meta basically forever. Also stamplar isn't "back" it's been strong for a long time.
Based on your description I can tell you know how to play it well though. Glhf.
yeah i agree although i done see many people using the 1 piece 1 piece monster set for extra resistances. thought i would put it out there for newbies to stamplar. thanks great build lots of fun.0 -
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✭✭✭iCelticOwnU wrote: »How do you get by with no snare/root management tool? Why run Restoring Focus when you have Bone Pirate, instead of getting magicka for more purges (and thus snare/root management) with Channeled Focus?
Snare/root removal is done by Extended Ritual, removing 5 harmful effects instantly. Restoring focus gives me 5280 spell and physical resistance, on top of the extra stamina regen. Having high stamina regen is a must for stamplars especially since i use blad cloak alot to help my dizzying swing hit better. hope this helps
I'm a templar main, I know how Ritual works. It's hard for me to feel as though Ritual is a viable replacement for shuffle if you have no way to maintain a solid magicka pool. You only get what, 3 Rituals? before you're OOM without Channeled, meaning I suspect you've just gotten used to playing while snared. That's great if you've adapted to that, but I was asking how you managed to adapt to not always having on-demand snare/root removal.
Then again, it looks like you play on console -- it may be that the clunkiness of the controls means constant, reliable mobility is not as crucial on console.
Since stamplars have never had high stamina regen until this patch and yet still managed to perform at high levels, I disagree that it is a must, regardless of your skill bars. But that's in large part a personal playstyle thing.7-day PVP campaign regular 2016-2019, Flawless Conqueror. MagDK/stamplar/stamwarden/mageblade. Requiem, Legend, Knights of Daggerfall. Currently retired from the wars; waiting on performance improvements.0 -
iCelticOwnU✭✭iCelticOwnU wrote: »How do you get by with no snare/root management tool? Why run Restoring Focus when you have Bone Pirate, instead of getting magicka for more purges (and thus snare/root management) with Channeled Focus?
Snare/root removal is done by Extended Ritual, removing 5 harmful effects instantly. Restoring focus gives me 5280 spell and physical resistance, on top of the extra stamina regen. Having high stamina regen is a must for stamplars especially since i use blad cloak alot to help my dizzying swing hit better. hope this helps
I'm a templar main, I know how Ritual works. It's hard for me to feel as though Ritual is a viable replacement for shuffle if you have no way to maintain a solid magicka pool. You only get what, 3 Rituals? before you're OOM without Channeled, meaning I suspect you've just gotten used to playing while snared. That's great if you've adapted to that, but I was asking how you managed to adapt to not always having on-demand snare/root removal.
Then again, it looks like you play on console -- it may be that the clunkiness of the controls means constant, reliable mobility is not as crucial on console.
Since stamplars have never had high stamina regen until this patch and yet still managed to perform at high levels, I disagree that it is a must, regardless of your skill bars. But that's in large part a personal playstyle thing.
ok gotcha dident know your expertise. I main a stamplar and also have a magplar for pvp. You do make a good point that switching to the magicka version could help me get more magicka sustain. I usually dont have much issues with being snared or rooted. i just roll dodge out of the roots, and purify for snares.
Also use tri pots so if i need another cleanse i will pop a potion.... so no issue with not having enough mag.
Lastly sometimes use berserker rage instead of dawnbreaker which lets me move at full speed for 8 seconds regardless of what my target does and makes me tanky AF with good mobility. quick cloak has helped me land dizzying swings alot easier on consoloes, not sure how it is on PC but dizzy is hard to hit on console...0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭2h ult is gold, just wanted to add that
Extended Ritual is the bee's knees in this meta
Quick question: what armor traits? Full impen or got some well-fitted in there?0 -
iCelticOwnU✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »2h ult is gold, just wanted to add that
Extended Ritual is the bee's knees in this meta
Quick question: what armor traits? Full impen or got some well-fitted in there?
Yeah the 2H ultimate is pretty good , but dawnbreaker hits so fing hard when ravager is procd...
yeah extended ritual is one of the best skills in the game IMO.
I make sure i have atleast 1900 inpen (to include champ points) then the rest can be divines or well fitted.
Think i currently have 5 inpen 1 divine 1 wellfitted. wearing medium armor so well fitted is not needed as much (reduce cost of roll dodge) + am orc for reduced sprint cost.1 -
Koensol✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭You bar setup is almost the same as mine, except I removed rending slashes and have repentence slotted. Imo that is one of the best skills for open world play, both group and solo. But nice to see other stamplars run dizzy swing.
Reason I dropped bleeds is because I run blackrose dw. It is amazing for moments when you get a lot of pressure, and I don't think bleeds are worth a place on my bar without master dw. And tbh I don't even miss it that much.
I would however use troll king. Especially since you are an orc and use tripots. The lost resistance can be compensated by using 2 protective on jewels. You would still have enough stamina because of bone pirate. And then I would recommend dropping rally for forward momentum. Rally is pure and utter dog ***. It gives a mediocre heal like every 10 sec. That really won't save you when you are pumped full of bleeds, procs and dots. Imo it would be better to have superior mobility from FM and save your purges for all the bleeds/procs. Using it for snare removal is not efficient, since you can be immediately resnared after a purge.
From what I have tested, FM + troll king + 2 protective gives better healing and survivability than rally + 1 chudan + 1 pirate.0 -
MaxJrFTW✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Stronger last patch imo. Whatever though, i've moved on to greener pastures. Got tired of getting hard countered by magdks, stam sorcs, and good stamblades."I don't know you, and I don't care to know you."
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KingLogix✭✭✭iCelticOwnU wrote: »I have been a stamina templar MAIN since the game came out on Xbox in 2015. It has been some harsh years for the stamina templar but finally it is in a good place. I have done alot of theory crafting with tons of different sets, abilities and rotations (spent way too much gold i might add) I can finally say I have found a great combination of weapons, skills and sets etc that really make the stamplar shine. Murkmire has been a great patch for stamplar. Tested out my rotation and set up last night in some BG matches and have left an image bellow to show how well it can perform. Feel free to comment and i will update the post as need be for anyone trying to learn or figure out a good stamplar PVP set up.
[img][/img]
My current set up is:
Race: Orc
Gear: 5 medium 2 heavy
sets are:
5 x Bonepirate
5 x Ravager
1 x Might Chudan
1 x Pirate Skeleton
2H Sword: Nirnhoned (Front Bar) Crushing Enchant
Skills:
Power of the light (huge damage)
Biting Jabs (will proc Ravager ALOT)
Exectioner (Execute , will proc crushing enchant)
Rally (heal and buff)
Dizzying Swing (Main Stun, also will proc crushing enchant)
Ultimate: Dawnbreaker of Smiting
Dual Wield: Infused (Back Bar) Weapon Damage Enchant / Disease Enchant
Skills:
Rending Slashes (will proc Weapon enchants)
Quick Cloak (will proc Weapon enchants + Ravager)
Vigor
Extended Ritual
Restoring Focus
Ultimate: Empowering Sweep
Notes:
I have come to learn that the new changes to the enchants have really helped maintain a lot of damage on this set up.
Using Empowering sweep is a major advantage to reducing incoming damage due to Major Protection, and has a very low ultimate cost. Very helpful when 1vX players.
Makes this set up very tanky although we are wearing medium armor
Another important point is that Dizzying Swing is very clunky and hard to hit. This is why i use Quick Cloak, immediately before bar swapping and using dizzy swing. This helps alot to ensure the ability hits the target. Takes some practice but works great !
Quick Cloak has multiple purposes for this build:
1. Procs weapon Enchants
2. Procs Ravager
3. Reduces AOE damage by 25%
4. Gives major expedtion to allow easier dizzying swing hits and enhanced mobility.
Please feel free to comment any questions and I will be more than willing to help out anyone trying to learn Stamplar on Xbox or become better.
Great post! I am on xbox as stamsorc
I like that you are using dizzy, gives me nostalgia0 -
iCelticOwnU✭✭You bar setup is almost the same as mine, except I removed rending slashes and have repentence slotted. Imo that is one of the best skills for open world play, both group and solo. But nice to see other stamplars run dizzy swing.
Reason I dropped bleeds is because I run blackrose dw. It is amazing for moments when you get a lot of pressure, and I don't think bleeds are worth a place on my bar without master dw. And tbh I don't even miss it that much.
I would however use troll king. Especially since you are an orc and use tripots. The lost resistance can be compensated by using 2 protective on jewels. You would still have enough stamina because of bone pirate. And then I would recommend dropping rally for forward momentum. Rally is pure and utter dog ***. It gives a mediocre heal like every 10 sec. That really won't save you when you are pumped full of bleeds, procs and dots. Imo it would be better to have superior mobility from FM and save your purges for all the bleeds/procs. Using it for snare removal is not efficient, since you can be immediately resnared after a purge.
From what I have tested, FM + troll king + 2 protective gives better healing and survivability than rally + 1 chudan + 1 pirate.
You make some good points and i will try/test it out. From my testing troll king only works well when you have around 25k+ health (with pvp buff). i am around 22k health (i think) so thats why i decided to use increase resistances more so i dont get bursted down so quickly. without the resistances troll king wouldent heal me fast enough before i died. I was also thinking of getting the blackrose prison dual wield on back bar and running Twice Fanged Serpent instead of raveger... what ya think? also what sets do you run1 -
iCelticOwnU✭✭
Great post! I am on xbox as stamsorc
I like that you are using dizzy, gives me nostalgia
hey thanks i also have a stam sorc that is pretty nasty with his dizzys... trying to get my stamplar on par with him since i love templar abilities such as using jabs, power of the light, and purifying. add me on xbox / send me a message so i know its you!
GT: iCeltic Own UEdited by iCelticOwnU on November 16, 2018 5:16PM0 -
Bevik✭✭✭✭What jewellery traits and enchants do you use? Mundus stone? Enchants on armor pieces?Edited by Bevik on November 17, 2018 10:55PM0 -
Koensol✭✭✭✭✭
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Well imo 22k health is fine for tk, if you build to amplify health regen (like orc + tripot and even artaeum food). You just need to get like at least 20k resists. Can easily reach that with protective. TK helps mostly by getting out of execute range, whereas without it you will often die.iCelticOwnU wrote: »You bar setup is almost the same as mine, except I removed rending slashes and have repentence slotted. Imo that is one of the best skills for open world play, both group and solo. But nice to see other stamplars run dizzy swing.
Reason I dropped bleeds is because I run blackrose dw. It is amazing for moments when you get a lot of pressure, and I don't think bleeds are worth a place on my bar without master dw. And tbh I don't even miss it that much.
I would however use troll king. Especially since you are an orc and use tripots. The lost resistance can be compensated by using 2 protective on jewels. You would still have enough stamina because of bone pirate. And then I would recommend dropping rally for forward momentum. Rally is pure and utter dog ***. It gives a mediocre heal like every 10 sec. That really won't save you when you are pumped full of bleeds, procs and dots. Imo it would be better to have superior mobility from FM and save your purges for all the bleeds/procs. Using it for snare removal is not efficient, since you can be immediately resnared after a purge.
From what I have tested, FM + troll king + 2 protective gives better healing and survivability than rally + 1 chudan + 1 pirate.
You make some good points and i will try/test it out. From my testing troll king only works well when you have around 25k+ health (with pvp buff). i am around 22k health (i think) so thats why i decided to use increase resistances more so i dont get bursted down so quickly. without the resistances troll king wouldent heal me fast enough before i died. I was also thinking of getting the blackrose prison dual wield on back bar and running Twice Fanged Serpent instead of raveger... what ya think? also what sets do you run
Also you can use TFS, but its gonna drop off often and not be up when you want to quickly burst. I personally prefer to use spriggans or night mothers gaze for pen. Both can be frontbarred so it alows a special weap on backbar.
Sets that I run are ravager + spriggan (frontbar) + TK + Blackrose DW (backbar) in 5 heavy 2 medium. And im a redguard. This build makes me fairly tanky, and still get very good damage from both 5 pieces. I play only no cp and I really don't like medium there.Edited by Koensol on November 18, 2018 1:44AM0 -
Bevik✭✭✭✭Was playing with this setup a bit in Cyro and BGs. Works good, I was using TK to be honest, might try Chudan+Pirate for the resists. I just started doing PvP but suprised how well this works. I changed Dizzy to the gap closer though. The only thing I don't like is the low stamina or low health. 28k stamina seems decent, damage also so I'm happy with them. Health is around 22k with this build. Not golded gear nor fully optimised yet as I lack 1-2 pieces being Impen but I was killing and surviving better than I expected.
Would be nice to have a bow or some far reaching bar but will play this build for a while now.Edited by Bevik on November 18, 2018 1:40PM0 -
Feannag✭✭New to Stamplar. I have both Spriggins and Automaton - which one is “better” to pair with Ravager? Not sure what’s more effective - physical damage vs penetration?
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iCelticOwnU✭✭Was playing with this setup a bit in Cyro and BGs. Works good, I was using TK to be honest, might try Chudan+Pirate for the resists. I just started doing PvP but suprised how well this works. I changed Dizzy to the gap closer though. The only thing I don't like is the low stamina or low health. 28k stamina seems decent, damage also so I'm happy with them. Health is around 22k with this build. Not golded gear nor fully optimised yet as I lack 1-2 pieces being Impen but I was killing and surviving better than I expected.
Would be nice to have a bow or some far reaching bar but will play this build for a while now.
hmmm i am actually around 33k stamina, in BGs it drops down.0 -
iCelticOwnU✭✭New to Stamplar. I have both Spriggins and Automaton - which one is “better” to pair with Ravager? Not sure what’s more effective - physical damage vs penetration?
Thanks
I would go with spriggans, i actually have changed the build around a bit and am using spriggans/two fanged snake + ravager + troll king, 5 heavy 2 medium. arteum gold food, orc, and tri pots. original post still works well. if you feel like you need more healing go with heavy and troll king.0 -
iCelticOwnU✭✭I have made some notable changes to this build, increased survivabiltiy by a TON with still great damage... will post if anyone is interested0
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iCelticOwnU✭✭Please post...definitely interested.
6 heavy 1 medium set up
x 2 Troll King
x 5 Ravagers
x 5 7th Legion
Boosting Health Recovery: I am at around 4000 health recovery
Troll King +1500 health recovery
Tri Potions +20% health recovery
artaeum takeaway broth food (gold) +300 health recovery <very expensive food can use dubious for substitute but health recovery will fall>
Orc +20%health recovery
Heavy Armor +20%health recovery
7th Legion +129 health recovery
I have tested this build in duels against some very bursty nightblades and they could not take me down because of the massive healing you get from this. Also does some very nice damage.
same skills as above.
Are you on xbox NA server ? I can help you out in game if so.
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montiferus✭✭✭✭✭Interesting build but I have to say I see a lot of holes with this setup. Do you only do BGs? If so maybe that's why as this build would not last 2 seconds open world.
1900 impenetrable is way too low
using ritual as a snare removal is insane
dizzying swing is not really viable when fighting outnumbered
Bone pirate is bottom tier with the current changes to sustain
Not trying to be rude because I think it is great to have more console people contribute to the forums but this is not a good open world build.
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I see you created a new build. Better but to have to rely on 2 proc sets is not advisable as you will almost never be able to line them both up.Edited by montiferus on November 20, 2018 9:37PM0 -
iCelticOwnU✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »@iCelticOwnU used that set up in BGs? If so how'd it feel?
It felt amazing i used it in BGs for a few rounds last night and completely dominated , i think alot of it is just having alot of skill with stamplar since he has been my main char for 3 years, but that set up helps alot to stay alive, super heals for sure. just dodge roll/vigor once troll king goes off and you will be at 100% health super quick.
NOTE
also dualed a few burtsy nightblades and they couldent take me down, but i surely smacked them around and won like 6 duals in a rowEdited by iCelticOwnU on November 20, 2018 9:57PM0