Murkmire Pet Sorc Skeleton Parse Video 46k on 6M / 47k on 3M

CHM228
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Hello there, this is my pet sorc build for murkmire with HA Rotation.

This is most common build for pet sorc, but i customized it little.

Build details and CP distribution is here:

https://imgur.com/0wdDgEh

0wdDgEh.png

All i see in most of other dps test videos are siroria or zaan, which you can't use effectively in some vet trial such as vAS+2 and vCR.
So i decided to make decent pet sorc build dps test video that you can use it on real challenges.

You can use exactly same build in any other PVE content. All you have to do is change mundus to thief or mage.

6M



3M

Edited by CHM228 on October 31, 2018 5:11AM
  • ForsakenSin
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    If you could make the links work

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    However i do this for my own purpose to gain trust of mortals to worship me and to eliminate my competition i will not bend my knee to lead your army to serve you Molag Bal , i will simply just take it from you.."--- Forsaken Sin( Magica Sorc)



    Arise From Darkness Forsaken SIn
    "You have been a loyal High Elf Magica Sorc
    Conjure of Darkness, Master of Magic
    Killer of Molag Bal and Savior of Ebonheart Pact
    Until Dark Brotherhood killed you...
    but now..NOW its time to Arise From Darkness once again..."

  • CHM228
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    If you could make the links work

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    Fixed. :smiley:
  • SirAndy
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    CHM228 wrote: »
    Murkmire Pet Sorc Skeleton Parse Video 46k on 6M / 47k on 3M

    - How often did any of those skeletons one shot your shields and mess up your rotation because you had to re-apply your shields out of sync?

    - How often did they kill your pets and you had to recast them?

    - How often did you have to stop your rotation and burst heal because you got nailed through your shields and your health was down to almost nothing?

    - Why is there a guy applying debuffs to the skeleton for you?

    - How often did the skeletons step out of your ultimate range?


    That's really why skeleton parses are utterly useless, they mimic an ideal environment that most people will never ever encounter in-game.

    I'd rather see you solo a vet dungeon and then show me the parse after you finished off the boss.
    And by solo i mean actually SOLO, not with some debuff minion behind your back.
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    Edited by SirAndy on October 31, 2018 6:16AM
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  • Eweroun
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    Hmmm...
    not gonna judge your build,

    although skeleton parses are very usefull to have a first look on a build and to learn your rota; I have to support @SirAndy in this one.

    Doing this numbers on a dummy is nice; but there are a lot of builds achieving this on a dummy, but not in a trial.
    Would be nice to add some in trial clips, 1st boss vHRC, 1st boss vMoL, stone atro in vAA.
    Those numbers would say much more about the viability of the build.

    About the ele drain. It's common to have it, though most people do it themselves.
    And by doing it yourself you are "taking a step back from the perfect situation".


    Side question, wouldn't it be better to have a second set that boosts magicka further, then using MS?

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  • CHM228
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    Eweroun wrote: »
    Doing this numbers on a dummy is nice; but there are a lot of builds achieving this on a dummy, but not in a trial.
    Would be nice to add some in trial clips, 1st boss vHRC, 1st boss vMoL, stone atro in vAA.
    Those numbers would say much more about the viability of the build.

    Side question, wouldn't it be better to have a second set that boosts magicka further, then using MS?

    Agreed. It seems i need video in real fight.

    And about your question, MS is better since max magicka boosts your pet’s dmg and spell dmg but it’s not that effective as most of ppl thinks.
    In trials with experienced players, Warhorn will be always up so high crit beats max mag or raw spell dmg.
    Remembet that pets are not only scale with max magicka, but also crits.
    That’s why im using theif mundus over mage.

    For 4-man dungeon or arena, max magikca set will be better.
    Edited by CHM228 on October 31, 2018 8:02AM
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    CHM228 wrote: »
    I have to say, it's not that nice to hear when someone says "USELESS" on my work, that took several days to complete.
    I meant that skeleton parses in general are mostly useless to determine a builds viability since they rarely reflect any real in-game scenario.
    I didn't mean to trivialize your effort put into this.

    And i completely agree that the skeleton does have it's place for general gear testing and working on your rotation ...
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  • MakeMeUhSamich
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    CHM228 wrote: »
    Hello there, this is my pet sorc build for murkmire with HA Rotation.

    This is most common build for pet sorc, but i customized it little.

    Build details and CP distribution is here:

    https://imgur.com/0wdDgEh

    0wdDgEh.png

    All i see in most of other dps test videos are siroria or zaan, which you can't use effectively in some vet trial such as vAS+2 and vCR.
    So i decided to make decent pet sorc build dps test video that you can use it on real challenges.

    You can use exactly same build in any other PVE content. All you have to do is change mundus to thief or mage.

    6M



    3M


    Nice! Would you mind writing out the rotation you use?
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    I'm curious, what factors in getting high dps numbers? Does the speed of weaving and casting your skills as fast as possible yield higher dps?? The problem with that is when I try going too fast some skills don't cast, my rotation is pretty much perfect yet I get 37-39k at best on my pet sorc.. Am I doing something wrong or am I a victim to server lag?? I'm running an Alcast build and rotation btw..
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    How much do you lose if you replace Maw of the Infernal with something that would be allowed in a group?
  • CHM228
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    CHM228 wrote: »
    Hello there, this is my pet sorc build for murkmire with HA Rotation.

    This is most common build for pet sorc, but i customized it little.

    Build details and CP distribution is here:

    https://imgur.com/0wdDgEh

    0wdDgEh.png

    All i see in most of other dps test videos are siroria or zaan, which you can't use effectively in some vet trial such as vAS+2 and vCR.
    So i decided to make decent pet sorc build dps test video that you can use it on real challenges.

    You can use exactly same build in any other PVE content. All you have to do is change mundus to thief or mage.

    6M



    3M


    Nice! Would you mind writing out the rotation you use?


    LA before casting every skills.

    Blockade -> Liquid -> Bar swap -> Volatile familiar -> Prey -> Shock reach -> HA -> Shock reach (If you need sustain cast HA instead)

    Spam shock reach at the end when you don’t need any sustain such as execute phase.

    You can also use other skills in shock reach slot such as daedric tomb, crushing shock etc if you need them.
    Edited by CHM228 on November 3, 2018 2:13PM
  • MakeMeUhSamich
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    CHM228 wrote: »
    CHM228 wrote: »
    Hello there, this is my pet sorc build for murkmire with HA Rotation.

    This is most common build for pet sorc, but i customized it little.

    Build details and CP distribution is here:

    https://imgur.com/0wdDgEh

    0wdDgEh.png

    All i see in most of other dps test videos are siroria or zaan, which you can't use effectively in some vet trial such as vAS+2 and vCR.
    So i decided to make decent pet sorc build dps test video that you can use it on real challenges.

    You can use exactly same build in any other PVE content. All you have to do is change mundus to thief or mage.

    6M



    3M


    Nice! Would you mind writing out the rotation you use?


    LA before casting every skills.

    Blockade -> Liquid -> Bar swap -> Volatile familiar -> Prey -> Shock reach -> HA -> Shock reach (If you need sustain cast HA instead)

    Spam shock reach at the end when you don’t need any sustain such as execute phase.

    You can also use other skills in shock reach slot such as daedric tomb, crushing shock etc if you need them.

    Thank you.
    Edited by MakeMeUhSamich on November 3, 2018 2:17PM
  • CHM228
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    I'm curious, what factors in getting high dps numbers? Does the speed of weaving and casting your skills as fast as possible yield higher dps?? The problem with that is when I try going too fast some skills don't cast, my rotation is pretty much perfect yet I get 37-39k at best on my pet sorc.. Am I doing something wrong or am I a victim to server lag?? I'm running an Alcast build and rotation btw..

    Connection problem matters in dps but not important.
    My ping hits higher than 250 sometimes becuase im at asia.
    What rly matters are perfect rotation, cp, gears and some luck with dummy testing tricks. All i can say is practice it over and over again untill you get satisfied dps.
    FYI, when i first tried HA build, i could only hit 38k~39k dps. XD
  • MeadDrinker02
    I pretty much got all of that covered, except for the luck part.. I'm using the regular Siroria and not the Perfect version, I wonder if that is playing a factor? Also I think momentum plays a factor, like casting your skills and light attack weaves at the perfect time and quickly. I have a feeling that if I throw in force pulse, that would raise my dps by 3-4k. Anyways I guess I just need to practice parsing more often and be more aggressive with my rotation. Also it would be great if I found a person that is patient enough to check out my rotation while I am parsing.
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    If its not too much trouble, Could you post your skill loadout? Im having trouble making some of them out.
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  • CHM228
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    Lyss1991 wrote: »
    If its not too much trouble, Could you post your skill loadout? Im having trouble making some of them out.

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    You can also use Destructive reach, Elemental weapon, Crushing shock when you need them instead of daedric tomb.
    Edited by CHM228 on November 9, 2018 8:07PM
  • Protossyder
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    SirAndy wrote: »
    (...) I meant that skeleton parses in general are mostly useless to determine a builds viability since they rarely reflect any real in-game scenario. (...)

    Actually there is no reason to test a builds viability, unless it's for PvP or solo PvE content (e.g. Maelstrom Arena). That's because...

    a) DDs don't have to focus on maxing out their resistances, since a lot of buffs (offensive and defensive) can be granted by healers, tanks and other DDs themselves
    b) red cps are independent from the other cps and can be allocated differently for each dungeon/trial
    c) DDs have atleast one flex spot on one of their bars for a heal/shield anyways
    d) DDs can always switch out one glyph for a max hp glyph, in case their health is considered too low

    The game is designed this way, so that DDs can almost fully concentrate on DPS. Imo being a good player means doing your job (DD = DPS, tank = taunt+debuff/buff, healer = buff/debuff, healing) while handling mechanics at the same time.
    As you said, dps tests are great to train your rotation and compare gear, but stop drawing a line between dummies and "real in-game scenarios". Because mastering dummy tests will prepare you very well for trials/dungeons.

    Also, testing with synergies and minor magickasteal makes the most sense, since both are available in trials and that way you can max out your dps
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  • Thicclady
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    SirAndy wrote: »
    CHM228 wrote: »
    I have to say, it's not that nice to hear when someone says "USELESS" on my work, that took several days to complete.
    I meant that skeleton parses in general are mostly useless to determine a builds viability since they rarely reflect any real in-game scenario.
    I didn't mean to trivialize your effort put into this.

    And i completely agree that the skeleton does have it's place for general gear testing and working on your rotation ...
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    I don't get your points. DPS is supposed to do max dps in trials, its that simple. Maelstrom arena is different ofc.
  • Deloth_Vyrr
    OP - this is a pretty damn good parse. Your build is extremely similar, almost identical in fact to mine, but I am spotting one major flaw.

    Your missing out on one of the key buffs the Sorc class brings, minor prophecy. Not only does omitting this result in a DPS loss to yourself, but your group utility suffers too as the passive also buffs others in your group. In order to proc minor prophecy you need to run a Dark Magic skill, and that means Crystal Frags. Where you would want to sub this in is in place of Destructive Reach, which is not a very good skill anyway.

    Frags doesn't proc a ton, not nearly as much as the non-pet rotation, but it procs enough to contribute a decent amount of damage and the minor prophecy buff is 20 seconds, so maintaining uptime on it is not a problem even with a mediocre proc rate.

    It does make the rotation a bit tougher, as it becomes a bit more dynamic as you need to get the hang of the proc, and the ideal moments to use it when it does proc. And losing Destructive Reach on your bar means you'll also need to swap Meteor with Destro Ult as you need a destro staff skill on each bar to unlock passives

    To prove I am not just talking out my ass here - I parse 48k+ solo with my pet sorc on a 6m dummy - here you can see a 48.4k video I recorded for my guildies - exact same gear setup as yourself (Necro+Mother's Sorrow+Maw+vMA Staff).

    Edited by Deloth_Vyrr on November 16, 2018 3:21AM
  • Deloth_Vyrr
    How much do you lose if you replace Maw of the Infernal with something that would be allowed in a group?

    Maw is perfectly viable in group content. Especially with the recent changes making pets immune to everything (yes it affects the Daedroth too). I run Maw all the time with my trials guild and we're clearing some of the hardest content in the game. On fights where you need to stack on the boss (ie. vCR) I switch to Zaan, but for everything else Maw is a great set.
    Edited by Deloth_Vyrr on November 15, 2018 11:54PM
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    It appears you have 30 points into Bastion. My testing on the PTS requires a good amount of health before hardened ward would be affected by Bastion. So why do you have the points there?
    Really, idk
  • CHM228
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    OP - this is a pretty damn good parse. Your build is extremely similar, almost identical in fact to mine, but I am spotting one major flaw.

    Your missing out on one of the key buffs the Sorc class brings, minor prophecy. Not only does omitting this result in a DPS loss to yourself, but your group utility suffers too as the passive also buffs others in your group. In order to proc minor prophecy you need to run a Dark Magic skill, and that means Crystal Frags. Where you would want to sub this in is in place of Destructive Reach, which is not a very good skill anyway.

    Frags doesn't proc a ton, not nearly as much as the non-pet rotation, but it procs enough to contribute a decent amount of damage and the minor prophecy buff is 20 seconds, so maintaining uptime on it is not a problem even with a mediocre proc rate.

    It does make the rotation a bit tougher, as it becomes a bit more dynamic as you need to get the hang of the proc, and the ideal moments to use it when it does proc. And losing Destructive Reach on your bar means you'll also need to swap Meteor with Destro Ult as you need a destro staff skill on each bar to unlock passives

    To prove I am not just talking out my ass here - I parse 48k+ solo with my pet sorc on a 6m dummy - here you can see a 48.4k video I recorded for my guildies - exact same gear setup as yourself (Necro+Mother's Sorrow+Maw+vMA Staff).


    Right, you got a good point. that's why i tried to use deadric mines.
    It's seems nice to slot crystal fragments instead of reach or mines.
    I would like to swap mines and crystal depending on situation. ty for advice mate
  • CHM228
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    How much do you lose if you replace Maw of the Infernal with something that would be allowed in a group?

    Maw is perfectly viable in group content. Especially with the recent changes making pets immune to everything (yes it affects the Daedroth too). I run Maw all the time with my trials guild and we're clearing some of the hardest content in the game. On fights where you need to stack on the boss (ie. vCR) I switch to Zaan, but for everything else Maw is a great set.

    Maw is damn good but i got some complains from tank that he cannot see the boss because of maw XP
    That's why i don't use maw in trials.
  • CHM228
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    idk wrote: »
    It appears you have 30 points into Bastion. My testing on the PTS requires a good amount of health before hardened ward would be affected by Bastion. So why do you have the points there?

    That is my fault. I didn't knew that when i posted build on forum.. Now i'm using alcast's pet sorc cp distribution.
  • JykJax
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    Really interesting build. One noobish question: why no finisher?
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