Maki2859 wrote: »

TheShadowScout wrote: »

You mean, like AD forces would not want to pay a return visit for the colovian incursions into reapers march?
Somehow I cannot see that happening... and considering it kinda borders at the "Weeping Desert" redguard-ish territory on the other side, it would make a good "two alliances and active NPC forces in between" option if the powers that be ever choose to go there, yes?

AD forces realized that it was not the fault of imperial Legion.
The responsibles (Javad Tharn, Martialis Tharn, and Stonefire cult) were neutralized...

Oh, I see. And you really think it works like that? Like when a neighboring country invades, and kills your cousins, uncles or grandchildren, that noone will demand retaliation because in the end the attacking force was "neutralized" and everyone promises it was only the commanding officers who were responsible, not the kings or cult leaders who gave them their orders, yes?
Maybe you want to go buy a history book sometime, see how things usually work out in such cases?

Fact is, when people get attacked, there usually is some retaliation. Doubly so when a new queen has to consolidate power and show she does have what it takes to protect her people, and that includes messing up anyone who dares attack them, if onbly to make the next guy think twice to send a disposable general to test her might or something, agreed?
And by that I mean some rulers head, and possibly some territory gains as well to make sure all those dead did not get killed for no gain, and not just the invading general as sacrificial pawn...

Especially when they are involved in other struggles - no sense leaving a potential enemy to threaten their flanks now, is there?

Maki2859 wrote: »

Yes, it's a little part of Nibenay Bassin. But the AD camp is widely on this imperial region. Bravil being at the hand of the AD, the county Bravil is not secure for imperial forces.
Bravil itself is not profitable for imperial Legion (missing resources, city recently looted and massacred).
From a RP point of view, Bravil is far for EP and DC (AD is strong and we're talking about a draw match).

Yeah, Bravil is definitely in AD hands. But I was talking about the rest of the nibenay regions on the other side of the niben bay.
As mentioned, that part of the nibenay basin and nibenay valles and blackwood further south are sort of sandwiched between the niben bay seperating them from AD controlled territory, and black marsh on the other side which is sort of pact territory... and it would make sense that the war in cyrodil might spill out in a three way struggle betzween AD, EP and remaining imperials who'd really rather keep some of their lands in their hands and might be willing to fight for it in the hope of maybe someday building up enough power to even be taking cyrodil back, yes?
I mean, IF the powers that be would take up the idea of "two of the three alliances and imperials dance" PvP region, this would be the third "most likely place", would it not?

Maki2859 wrote: »

TheShadowScout wrote: »

Oh, I see. And you really think it works like that? Like when a neighboring country invades, and kills your cousins, uncles or grandchildren, that noone will demand retaliation because in the end the attacking force was "neutralized" and everyone promises it was only the commanding officers who were responsible, not the kings or cult leaders who gave them their orders, yes?
Maybe you want to go buy a history book sometime, see how things usually work out in such cases?

Fact is, when people get attacked, there usually is some retaliation. Doubly so when a new queen has to consolidate power and show she does have what it takes to protect her people, and that includes messing up anyone who dares attack them, if onbly to make the next guy think twice to send a disposable general to test her might or something, agreed?
And by that I mean some rulers head, and possibly some territory gains as well to make sure all those dead did not get killed for no gain, and not just the invading general as sacrificial pawn...

Especially when they are involved in other struggles - no sense leaving a potential enemy to threaten their flanks now, is there?

I know how it works. But I limit my ideas to the logic of futur event interest and the lore.
Colovia presents all the elements of PvE map. The border conflict with AD, it looks like a PvE quest line (with other quest line involved vampires and werewolves).

And I am saying, it could be that, or it could be a split PvP/PvE map, IF the people at ZOS decide to do that.

Colovia -is- active in the war, both AD and DC had suffered imperial incursions that would make them like to retaliate (Reapers March invasion attempt did come from the colovian highlands specifically, Bangkorai could have been from cyrodil, the tharn connection would support that, though even so it would have made it kinda difficult for imperial remnants in colovia to claim "neutral status" for a PvE map in either case...) Also, we already had vampires in rivenspire and werewolves in glenumbra and malabel tor... considering the depiction of the colovians in reapers march, I would consider a worm cult presence far more likely.

Point is, we -know- DC forces pushed into cyrodil northeast of the colovian highlands and AD forces pushed into cyrodil southeast of them... So it would entirely make sense for the cyrodil war to spill over into colovia from those directions, both because the alliance forces might be wanting some payback for Arenthia or Hallins Stand and because the incursion into cyrodil might not want a hostile region at their flanks threatening their supply routes... IF the people at ZOS want it to.

Maki2859 wrote: »

TheShadowScout wrote: »

Yeah, Bravil is definitely in AD hands. But I was talking about the rest of the nibenay regions on the other side of the niben bay.
As mentioned, that part of the nibenay basin and nibenay valles and blackwood further south are sort of sandwiched between the niben bay seperating them from AD controlled territory, and black marsh on the other side which is sort of pact territory... and it would make sense that the war in cyrodil might spill out in a three way struggle betzween AD, EP and remaining imperials who'd really rather keep some of their lands in their hands and might be willing to fight for it in the hope of maybe someday building up enough power to even be taking cyrodil back, yes?
I mean, IF the powers that be would take up the idea of "two of the three alliances and imperials dance" PvP region, this would be the third "most likely place", would it not?

Imperials of central Cyrodiil fled to Colovia and south-eastern of Niben.
Outside of the war zone, it is one of the three alliances that is implanted. You have just little conflict with indenpendent imperial zone (not enough to do PvP).

Again, all I am saying is, the possibility to do it this way exists IF the people at ZOS want to.

Now... the three banners war started fighting -against- the imperial remnants and their worm cult allies, both in retaliation for their attempts to make trouble within alliance territories and to grab the imperial throne for themselves (at least for AD and DC), and then turned into a three way struggle to get to the ruby throne first and make sure none of the other two get it (which seems to be the main EP motivation for continuing the conflict)... while -still- fighting what's left of the empire for it.

Wars do spill over, your "outside the conflict zone" is kinda like saying the allies bypassed axis territories outside germany in WW2... went straight past italy and austria... which we all know the didn't. So IF the powers that be ever should decide they want to do some new PvP zone on mainland tamriel, the most sense would be "conflict-ready zones" adjactant to cyrodil... as I mentioned.

And as with colovia, well, we know AD forces pushed into cyrodil southwest of nibenay and EP forces pushes into cyrodil north of nibenay... so it would be entirely possible the conflict might spill over, both because AD forces might be vexed for imperial entanglements in reapers march and EP forces might be wanting to purge (alleged) worm cultists after the issues in the rift, and because neiother fo them wants an potentially hostile force at their flanks... etc.

And we do know from the lore that the interregnum will go on for centuries still to come without anyone gaining a permanent advantage, and we also know the imperial remnant forces in Colovia, Falkreath and Nibenay -will- remain active for all of it... (to end up becoming the core of Talos loyalists once he appears in a couple centurists and shows everyone he is all dragonborn and thus finally an option to become a proper empire and lock out all those pesky daedra by re-lighting the dragonfires) which would make sense too, as the three banners war pitting the alliances against each other would allow the imperial remnants to avoid being crushed just by playing on the emnity of the three alliances, and prevent the alliences from crushing those imperial holdouts because as soon as they mass enough forces to go after them in earnes one of the other alliances will take them in the flank... creating an long-standing stalemate where froint lines move back and forth...

All of it tells me the idea of a "Two alliances plus active NPC side" region would be plausible for those places.
IF the people at ZOS want to go there.
If they don't, well, then the very same places would make perfect PvE regions as well. but then, so would a great many others, while none of the other regions would make as much sense as options for a new flavor of PvP, so...

Maki2859 wrote: »

Sorry, my English is not excellent and I don't have many vocabulary. I can not explain things in more detail.

Can't throw many stones here, english is my second language as well, though I kinda have a bit of practice.
But you can let facts speak for you by linking to whatever lore you think opposes my point of view, you know...

Maki2859 wrote: »

But I know Colovia and south eastern of Niben are OUT of context for an PvP zone.

But you are wrong in that statement.

For one, you cannot "know", you can only have an opinion, just as I have the opinion that the three I mentioned would be the most likely candidates for a "two alliances and imperial remnant forces" conflict. The only ones who can "know" are the ones who can -decide- and that would be the licenseholders at ZOS.

For another, your opinion is less then ironclad, because as I outlined, the lore can support either way of thinking, right?
And that is all I am really here to do, point out -possibilities-... and give logical reasons for why I would consider them possible, like "controlled by the same imperials they fought in cyrodil" and "just right next door of that war" and "close enough to two alliances to make a three way player-vs-player-vs-NPC setup possible"