New Luxury Vendor Furniture is way too expensive

trowlk · November 2018

I've never bothered to complain about Luxury Vendor items before. That is until now.

This is the new furniture:

Clockwork Sextant, Surveyor's 75,000g

Maybe you made a mistake by adding an extra 0 into the price. While 7,500 gold is an ok price, 75,000 is not.

Sorry for the rage post, I just want you to double check the price of this item. I'm sure that isn't the correct price.

Aliyavana · November 2018

what level quality is it btw?

Konstant_Tel_Necris · November 2018

Its karma return for us because of Daedric Throne, Skulls galore.

Gargath · November 2018

It's themed item for those whales who spent 15k crowns on a house.
Just move along for the next week...

VaranisArano · November 2018

Luxury furnishings are a gold sink.

Enemoriana · November 2018

This it gold quality item. So... no mistake.

Edziu · November 2018

VaranisArano wrote: »

Luxury furnishings are a gold sink.

its ok as its gold sink but then why availbe only for really less number of players like hm trials? while trials are just content to learn and this is simple decoration

I dont think especially average people are able to spend 100k+- for single furniture each week from this vendor

Elissn · November 2018

Lol 75k for such a tiny and completely static item? That's just ridiculus. Good joke ZOS.
...this is a joke, right?

VaranisArano · November 2018

Edziu wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Luxury furnishings are a gold sink.

its ok as its gold sink but then why availbe only for really less number of players like hm trials? while trials are just content to learn and this is simple decoration

I dont think especially average people are able to spend 100k+- for single furniture each week from this vendor

Because not every gold sink is aimed at average players. And not every luxury furnishing is aimed at the "I can drop 75k on an item without blinking" crowd. This weeks is on the more expensive side, starting at 15k but other weeks have been cheaper and more expensive.

ZOS explicitly intended for Housing to be a grind for players. It very much functions as a gold sink if you do anything at all with buying houses, mats, recipes, and furnishings.

This isnt meant to be a snide response, but its the luxury furnishing merchant. If you aren't able to make 100k in a week to spend on purely cosmetic housing items, it's probably not aimed at you that week. It's aimed at the people (like me, to be blunt) who look at 75k and say "okay, I can make that much in a day if I put in the farming time".

Carbonised · November 2018

@VaranisArano Gold sink or not is not the issue here at all.

In general, both at achievement vendors, in the Crown Store, and in luxury vendor, there is some kind of relationship between costs and functionality and size. If you look at pretty much all the furniture items in the game, there is a correlation here.

- Items with animations usually cost more
- Items with lights, items that glow, and items with audio included usually cost more
- Items you can interact with, like turn on/off usually cost more
- Larger items usually cost more

See the problem now? The Calibration guides are large, have lights, and can be interacted with. Thus they cost 50k, fair price. The telescope is a medium/small item, has no fancy effects and is static, hence it costs 15k. The sextant fits this category as well, it doesn't have any effects, is quite small, and should really have been a purple tier item with a price of 15k as well as the telescope.

It's not about gold sinks, it's more about having a somewhat fair price for what you get, which is the formula most pther furniture items in the game follow.

Now, I did buy a handful of these myself, since I wanted them and could afford them, but that doesn't change my view that having such a small item with no effects on it cost 75k and be gold quality is wrong. For the price, they should have attaced animations or something to it as well.

Sheezabeast · November 2018

Enemoriana wrote: »

This it gold quality item. So... no mistake.

This explains it!

TheShadowScout · November 2018

trowlk wrote: »

While 7,500 gold is an ok price, 75,000 is not...

You mean, it's almost as if buying that thing is a -Luxury- and not a neccessity? Oh, my, what is the world coming too...

Face it, the price is exactly what its supposed to be, just like people IRL dropping huge piles of money on completely unneccessary "luxury" items like watches that cost more then other people arn in a year, artworks that look like a unicorn vomited at a easel and gold-plated toilet seats or whatever...

Royaji · November 2018

Come on now, precise optics are usually pretty darn expensive.

Zypheran · November 2018

This item is ridiculously overpriced and yet another example of how out of touch ZOS is when it comes to pricing

Cpt_Teemo · November 2018

I'd rather have it cost 75k in game gold than 4k crowns tbh

trowlk · November 2018

Carbonised wrote: »

In general, both at achievement vendors, in the Crown Store, and in luxury vendor, there is some kind of relationship between costs and functionality and size. If you look at pretty much all the furniture items in the game, there is a correlation here.

- Items with animations usually cost more
- Items with lights, items that glow, and items with audio included usually cost more
- Items you can interact with, like turn on/off usually cost more
- Larger items usually cost more

See the problem now? The Calibration guides are large, have lights, and can be interacted with. Thus they cost 50k, fair price. The telescope is a medium/small item, has no fancy effects and is static, hence it costs 15k. The sextant fits this category as well, it doesn't have any effects, is quite small, and should really have been a purple tier item with a price of 15k as well as the telescope.

It's not about gold sinks, it's more about having a somewhat fair price for what you get, which is the formula most pther furniture items in the game follow.

Now, I did buy a handful of these myself, since I wanted them and could afford them, but that doesn't change my view that having such a small item with no effects on it cost 75k and be gold quality is wrong. For the price, they should have attaced animations or something to it as well.

I completelly agree with you, I mean, how could this item be expensier than one of the Calibration Guides? Because is gold quality?

trowlk · November 2018

By the way, I can't believe some of you guys are defending the idea of "Gold Sink". This feature, the luxury vendor, should be accesible for average players. I'm not saying they should be free, I just want them to have a fair and decent price.

VaranisArano · November 2018

Carbonised wrote: »

@VaranisArano Gold sink or not is not the issue here at all.

In general, both at achievement vendors, in the Crown Store, and in luxury vendor, there is some kind of relationship between costs and functionality and size. If you look at pretty much all the furniture items in the game, there is a correlation here.

- Items with animations usually cost more
- Items with lights, items that glow, and items with audio included usually cost more
- Items you can interact with, like turn on/off usually cost more
- Larger items usually cost more

See the problem now? The Calibration guides are large, have lights, and can be interacted with. Thus they cost 50k, fair price. The telescope is a medium/small item, has no fancy effects and is static, hence it costs 15k. The sextant fits this category as well, it doesn't have any effects, is quite small, and should really have been a purple tier item with a price of 15k as well as the telescope.

It's not about gold sinks, it's more about having a somewhat fair price for what you get, which is the formula most pther furniture items in the game follow.

Now, I did buy a handful of these myself, since I wanted them and could afford them, but that doesn't change my view that having such a small item with no effects on it cost 75k and be gold quality is wrong. For the price, they should have attaced animations or something to it as well.

Meh?

I mean, I support your Don Quixote quest to ask ZOS for consistent pricing, but I'm looking at the crown store and I think asking for consistent pricing at the luxury merchant is tilting at windmills.

Its a limited time purely cosmetic item you can buy or not, for a luxury merchant that's designed as a gold sink for people interested in housing. ZOS sets whatever prices they want, and since most people who want them already bought the old pieces last time around, I'm not surprised at all that the price of new items ihas often been on the higher end.

trowlk wrote: »

By the way, I can't believe some of you guys are defending the idea of "Gold Sink". This feature, the luxury vendor, should be accesible for average players. I'm not saying they should be free, I just want them to have a fair and decent price.

We can debate the nature and need for particular gold sinks, but the concept of a gold/currency sink is a necessity to mitigate inevitable inflation in an MMO economy where we can generate gold out of thin air by playing the game.

Some items the Luxury Merchant sells are within the price point of average players. Some aren't. Want to have all the special items like the Briarheart trees and the Dark Brotherhood Stained Glass window? You'd better have the gold to drop.

Out of curiosity, what price range do you think ZOS ought to stick to?

Perwulf · November 2018

Color it white and it'll be 150,000g

Carbonised · November 2018

VaranisArano wrote: »

Carbonised wrote: »

@VaranisArano Gold sink or not is not the issue here at all.

In general, both at achievement vendors, in the Crown Store, and in luxury vendor, there is some kind of relationship between costs and functionality and size. If you look at pretty much all the furniture items in the game, there is a correlation here.

- Items with animations usually cost more
- Items with lights, items that glow, and items with audio included usually cost more
- Items you can interact with, like turn on/off usually cost more
- Larger items usually cost more

See the problem now? The Calibration guides are large, have lights, and can be interacted with. Thus they cost 50k, fair price. The telescope is a medium/small item, has no fancy effects and is static, hence it costs 15k. The sextant fits this category as well, it doesn't have any effects, is quite small, and should really have been a purple tier item with a price of 15k as well as the telescope.

It's not about gold sinks, it's more about having a somewhat fair price for what you get, which is the formula most pther furniture items in the game follow.

Now, I did buy a handful of these myself, since I wanted them and could afford them, but that doesn't change my view that having such a small item with no effects on it cost 75k and be gold quality is wrong. For the price, they should have attaced animations or something to it as well.

Meh?

Really? I make a post describing in detail why the sextant is overpriced following the ZOS logic for pretty much 99 % of all furniture items, and your only reply is "meh"? Perhaps you should simply concede that I am right and you are wrong, your posts are usually more thought through than this.

I'm not in uproar over this, I have bought 5 of them myself, shrugged at the price and moved on, but that doesn't change the fact that there is zero justification why the sextant is 4 times as expensive as the telescope, when both should have been priced around the same number.
Also, you're wrong that all the new items have been more expensive. They have been around the same level as the older ones, from a few k up to 100k. The animal trap and the fern spring to mind as just a few examples of some new items that were very cheap.

Dojohoda · November 2018

Yep, the item is overpriced.

I bet the gold paint will peel off. Probably rusts too.

flguy147ub17_ESO · November 2018

Enemoriana wrote: »

This it gold quality item. So... no mistake.

No its a purple quality item that they put as "gold" to jack the price up. They can put blue, purple, gold on any item and just jack up the price. I think its the worst item for sale but the most expensive

Tan9oSuccka · November 2018

No thanks.

For me, I haven’t seen anything interesting since the Orc Gazebo a few months ago.

Acrolas · November 2018

I bought one mostly for the novelty of it.
At 7500... I would have still only bought one mostly for the novelty of it.

I don't see it as Legendary because of any fancy feature. I see it as Legendary because it's probably an antique relative to the tech that the Apostles currently have at their disposal. It's archaic relative to the tech I have at my disposal.

The telescope is at least a fun little roleplay item to play watchtower with. What am I supposed to roleplay with a sextant?
"Oh no, ZOS nerfed my compass. Good thing I have my sextant and a cursory knowledge of constellations or else I'd be lost forever."

VaranisArano · November 2018

Carbonised wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Carbonised wrote: »

@VaranisArano Gold sink or not is not the issue here at all.

In general, both at achievement vendors, in the Crown Store, and in luxury vendor, there is some kind of relationship between costs and functionality and size. If you look at pretty much all the furniture items in the game, there is a correlation here.

- Items with animations usually cost more
- Items with lights, items that glow, and items with audio included usually cost more
- Items you can interact with, like turn on/off usually cost more
- Larger items usually cost more

See the problem now? The Calibration guides are large, have lights, and can be interacted with. Thus they cost 50k, fair price. The telescope is a medium/small item, has no fancy effects and is static, hence it costs 15k. The sextant fits this category as well, it doesn't have any effects, is quite small, and should really have been a purple tier item with a price of 15k as well as the telescope.

It's not about gold sinks, it's more about having a somewhat fair price for what you get, which is the formula most pther furniture items in the game follow.

Now, I did buy a handful of these myself, since I wanted them and could afford them, but that doesn't change my view that having such a small item with no effects on it cost 75k and be gold quality is wrong. For the price, they should have attaced animations or something to it as well.

Meh?

Really? I make a post describing in detail why the sextant is overpriced following the ZOS logic for pretty much 99 % of all furniture items, and your only reply is "meh"? Perhaps you should simply concede that I am right and you are wrong, your posts are usually more thought through than this.

I'm not in uproar over this, I have bought 5 of them myself, shrugged at the price and moved on, but that doesn't change the fact that there is zero justification why the sextant is 4 times as expensive as the telescope, when both should have been priced around the same number.
Also, you're wrong that all the new items have been more expensive. They have been around the same level as the older ones, from a few k up to 100k. The animal trap and the fern spring to mind as just a few examples of some new items that were very cheap.

My response was not merely meh. Rather I support your contention that ZOS should be consistent, however, I expect that ZOS will not do so. Thus, meh?

Specifically, I believe that the Luxury Merchant's function as a gold sink is more important to ZOS than consistent pricing. Therefore, the pricing for items is determined more by their view of what they need in terms of housing as a gold sink over and above any need for consistency. Since we see this with crown store pricing as well, I don't think that's a stretch.

We're not arguing the same thing here. You want ZOS to change, which I'm fine with even if I don't much care, but I don't expect them to do so because of the reasons I described. ZOS does what they want and I think managing the luxury merchant as a gold sink is a lot higher on their priority list than making players happy with consistent pricing on housing items. Its certainly higher on their priority list with the crown store. If I didnt explain that particularly well, sorry. Ive got my jade colored glasses on for this thread.

trowlk · November 2018

Carbonised wrote: »

Really? I make a post describing in detail why the sextant is overpriced following the ZOS logic for pretty much 99 % of all furniture items, and your only reply is "meh"? Perhaps you should simply concede that I am right and you are wrong, your posts are usually more thought through than this.

I'm not in uproar over this, I have bought 5 of them myself, shrugged at the price and moved on, but that doesn't change the fact that there is zero justification why the sextant is 4 times as expensive as the telescope, when both should have been priced around the same number.
Also, you're wrong that all the new items have been more expensive. They have been around the same level as the older ones, from a few k up to 100k. The animal trap and the fern spring to mind as just a few examples of some new items that were very cheap.

You are the voice of reason in this post. Thank you.

Kalante · November 2018

75k gold is NOTHING

SydneyGrey · November 2018

Kalante wrote: »

75k gold is NOTHING

It's a huge amount of gold for people who have been playing for less than six months, or even a year depending on how much they play, particularly if they have to spend a lot of gold outfitting a dozen characters, and spend money on housing. It's all perspective.

When I first started the game, I thought I'd never be able to save up 42,000 gold to buy a non-brown horse. That seemed huge to me at the time, now it seems like nothing to me because I can make gold so much faster now than I could back then.

I think people who've been playing for a long time forget how hard it is to make gold when you're new to the game and starting with nothing.

kadochka · November 2018

Elissn wrote: »

Lol 75k for such a tiny and completely static item? That's just ridiculus. Good joke ZOS.
...this is a joke, right?

I wish it were...

Sylvermynx · November 2018

SydneyGrey wrote: »

Kalante wrote: »

75k gold is NOTHING

It's a huge amount of gold for people who have been playing for less than six months, or even a year depending on how much they play, particularly if they have to spend a lot of gold outfitting a dozen characters, and spend money on housing. It's all perspective.

When I first started the game, I thought I'd never be able to save up 42,000 gold to buy a non-brown horse. That seemed huge to me at the time, now it seems like nothing to me because I can make gold so much faster now than I could back then.

I think people who've been playing for a long time forget how hard it is to make gold when you're new to the game and starting with nothing.

Um. I've been playing not quite 6 months. I have over 2 million gold in the bank.... Actually making gold isn't hard - I do crafting writs on 12 girls every day. It adds up fast, as long as you don't spend it all as you gain it!

Armatesz · November 2018

Edziu wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Luxury furnishings are a gold sink.

its ok as its gold sink but then why availbe only for really less number of players like hm trials? while trials are just content to learn and this is simple decoration

I dont think especially average people are able to spend 100k+- for single furniture each week from this vendor

I'm guildless myself and I wonder if average can afford it by a week by week basis. But I have been buying luxury furniture every weekend without missing much of a beat and I currently have the whole catalog of luxury furniture that merchant has for offer.