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  • Brittany_Joy
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    @Judas Helviaryn @Aluneth @IndyWendieGo , The post is not about that one example! Its about the game allowing players the standard of privacy and allowing them to choose who to reveal their personal ID tag too. "Intellectual dishonesty is a failure to apply standards of rational evaluation that one is aware of, usually in a self-serving fashion. If one judges others more critically than oneself, that is intellectually dishonest." (taken from google). I have explored other avenues and I continue to do so. I am just exclaiming my point that: I just want the option to hide my ID tag or to have a system that only allows friends to view personal ID tags. But you are twisting everything I say because you are choosing to be more critical of my claims based on your own biases and anecdotal evidence.
  • Tinus_92
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    According to the original post time (4am my time) this happened on a NA server, right?

    Over the years I've played on (PC)EU I have yet to see such thing happening. I do see people getting kicked, and arguing with each other for many clear and unclear reasons, but being a male or female never been one of those. Then again I'll repeat what others have told, it's quite common seeing males playing females and perhaps even vice versa, so with that in mind you can't really base a judgement on someone according to his/her character. One of the the reasons why sexism doesn't happen as much (imo) is that it's very difficult to judge someones gender, no matter who they're playing. This is a good thing if you ask me. With that said, I wonder if this is an one time accident or something which comes back to you on regular terms?

    As for your gamer ID, you mean the ingame tag or are you playing on console? Since your ESO-id tag can be changed at any time without being credited for, so if you really consider this a problem it may be usefull to take a 'genderless' @eso name. If this isn't an issue, forget about it and move on. Would recommend not playing with randoms anyways, but find a guild, make friends to play dungeons/battlegrounds with. As far as I know there's an one week cooldown between each change though. Not sure how this works for console, though.
    Edited by Tinus_92 on November 16, 2018 8:25AM
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  • Judas Helviaryn
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    @Judas Helviaryn @Aluneth @IndyWendieGo , The post is not about that one example! Its about the game allowing players the standard of privacy and allowing them to choose who to reveal their personal ID tag too. "Intellectual dishonesty is a failure to apply standards of rational evaluation that one is aware of, usually in a self-serving fashion. If one judges others more critically than oneself, that is intellectually dishonest." (taken from google). I have explored other avenues and I continue to do so. I am just exclaiming my point that: I just want the option to hide my ID tag or to have a system that only allows friends to view personal ID tags. But you are twisting everything I say because you are choosing to be more critical of my claims based on your own biases and anecdotal evidence.

    Perhaps what you say shouldn't be so pliable.

    *shrugs*
  • Aluneth
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    @Judas Helviaryn @Aluneth @IndyWendieGo , The post is not about that one example! Its about the game allowing players the standard of privacy and allowing them to choose who to reveal their personal ID tag too. "Intellectual dishonesty is a failure to apply standards of rational evaluation that one is aware of, usually in a self-serving fashion. If one judges others more critically than oneself, that is intellectually dishonest." (taken from google). I have explored other avenues and I continue to do so. I am just exclaiming my point that: I just want the option to hide my ID tag or to have a system that only allows friends to view personal ID tags. But you are twisting everything I say because you are choosing to be more critical of my claims based on your own biases and anecdotal evidence.

    First of all, I agree with you. I prefer not to have my personal ID tag shown in the game.

    You didn't put the focus on that though, you put the focus on how it's a sexist community and you got removed from the group because of your gender. You're also coming forward as both defensive and a little bit hostile, it's not helping you in any way. We're not your enemy, we're just trying to understand and hopefully help you.
    Edited by Aluneth on November 16, 2018 8:28AM
  • Thoragaal
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    Cultural hegemony is also a thing. A lady blind to the social nuances really doesn't discredit the underlying theme of sexism.
    To some extent, yes. But what affects a human being is far more than some exclusively overruling culture of said society, and ignoring the other factors in your analysis is just ignorant. You are just as well affected by the cultural hegemony from the people you interact with manifested through you, right here.
    People stereotype!
    Yes, that's how our brains work, including yours. You're making assumptions, based on your stereotype that makes sense to you, that the reasons are exclusively sexist. That in itself, by the very definition, is sexist.
    I just want the game to give me the choice to who I choose to show my personal ID.
    Saying this would've been enough and I see no reason to not having the option.

    The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
    "I've always wanted to kick a duck up the arse" -Karl Pilkington, on the question what he'd do if it was the last day on earth.
  • FleetwoodSmack
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    @Judas Helviaryn @Aluneth @IndyWendieGo , The post is not about that one example! Its about the game allowing players the standard of privacy and allowing them to choose who to reveal their personal ID tag too. "Intellectual dishonesty is a failure to apply standards of rational evaluation that one is aware of, usually in a self-serving fashion. If one judges others more critically than oneself, that is intellectually dishonest." (taken from google). I have explored other avenues and I continue to do so. I am just exclaiming my point that: I just want the option to hide my ID tag or to have a system that only allows friends to view personal ID tags. But you are twisting everything I say because you are choosing to be more critical of my claims based on your own biases and anecdotal evidence.

    Let's take this apart bit by bit, shall we?
    The post is not about that one example! Its about the game allowing players the standard of privacy and allowing them to choose who to reveal their personal ID tag too.

    You mention several, claim that generally most of the time you've been kicked is because of sexism. It's baseless without actual proof. Therefore, it's your own bias against the many at large. Given the majority of kicks in groupfinder? There's more evidence to the contrary of silly kicks rather than something as serious as sexism. Hence why your posts are coming off baiting people into an argument about the legitimacy of your claims and then flipflopping that you may or may not know with the 'one' instance. That to me, is dishonest.
    "Intellectual dishonesty is a failure to apply standards of rational evaluation that one is aware of, usually in a self-serving fashion. If one judges others more critically than oneself, that is intellectually dishonest."

    What relevancy does this have to the topic? Because we don't take you at your word, we're 'intellectually dishonest'. No, ma'am. We're seeing it for what it is. This whole topic could've been made without the Facebook drama, yet here we are.
    I have explored other avenues and I continue to do so. I am just exclaiming my point that: I just want the option to hide my ID tag or to have a system that only allows friends to view personal ID tags.

    PC-NA/EU have free name changes. Use them in the meantime. If not, and you're on console? Petition to have your name changed to something more gender neutral to provide more anonymity. It's not rocket science.

    But you are twisting everything I say because you are choosing to be more critical of my claims based on your own biases and anecdotal evidence.

    The same can be used against you in the very same fashion on those who disagree with you, so I'm not going to play the "appeal of emotion" fallacy with you.
    Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies!
  • Brittany_Joy
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    Tinus_92 wrote: »
    According to the original post time (4am my time) this happened on a NA server, right?

    Over the years I've played on (PC)EU I have yet to see such thing happening. I do see people getting kicked, and arging with each other for many clear and unclear reasons, but being a male or female never been one of them. Then again I'll repeat what others have told, it's quite common seeing males playing females and perhaps even vice versa, so with that in mind you can't really base a judgement on someone according to his/her character. One of the the reasons why sexism doesn't happen as much (imo) is that it's very difficult to judge someones gender, no matter who they're playing. Which is a good thing if you ask me. I wonder if this is an one time accident or something which comes back to you on regular terms?

    As for your gamer ID, you mean the ingame tag or are you playing on console? Since your ESO-id tag can be changed at any time without being credited for. As far as I know there's an one week cooldown between each change though.

    Personal ID tag is the account user name. Usually games refrain from using the account user name instead show a character name and only account friends are capable of seeing the account user name.

    I can change my account username? But why do I have to resort to such measures if sexism doesn't exist in ESO? I'm going to try to change my username but it is odd to do such a thing if there was no concept of sexism. Its like belittling a person, who lives in the arctic, for wanting to go outside with winter gear because snow doesn't exist in your mind. Snow in the arctic is fact and your perceptions does not negate the existence of snow.
    Edited by Brittany_Joy on November 16, 2018 8:35AM
  • Judas Helviaryn
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    Tinus_92 wrote: »
    According to the original post time (4am my time) this happened on a NA server, right?

    Over the years I've played on (PC)EU I have yet to see such thing happening. I do see people getting kicked, and arging with each other for many clear and unclear reasons, but being a male or female never been one of them. Then again I'll repeat what others have told, it's quite common seeing males playing females and perhaps even vice versa, so with that in mind you can't really base a judgement on someone according to his/her character. One of the the reasons why sexism doesn't happen as much (imo) is that it's very difficult to judge someones gender, no matter who they're playing. Which is a good thing if you ask me. I wonder if this is an one time accident or something which comes back to you on regular terms?

    As for your gamer ID, you mean the ingame tag or are you playing on console? Since your ESO-id tag can be changed at any time without being credited for. As far as I know there's an one week cooldown between each change though.

    Personal ID tag is the account user name. Usually games refrain from using the account user name instead show a character name and only account friends are capable of seeing the account user name.

    I can change my account username? But why do I have to resort to such measures if sexism doesn't exist in ESO? I'm going to try to change my username but it is odd to do such a thing if there was no concept of sexism. Its like belittling a person, who lives in the arctic, for wanting to go outside with winter gear because snow doesn't exist in your mind. Snow in the arctic is fact and your perceptions does not negate the existence of snow.
    @Judas Helviaryn @Aluneth @IndyWendieGo , The post is not about that one example! Its about the game allowing players the standard of privacy and allowing them to choose who to reveal their personal ID tag too. "Intellectual dishonesty is a failure to apply standards of rational evaluation that one is aware of, usually in a self-serving fashion. If one judges others more critically than oneself, that is intellectually dishonest." (taken from google). I have explored other avenues and I continue to do so. I am just exclaiming my point that: I just want the option to hide my ID tag or to have a system that only allows friends to view personal ID tags. But you are twisting everything I say because you are choosing to be more critical of my claims based on your own biases and anecdotal evidence.

    I can change my account username? But why do I have to resort to such measures if sexism doesn't exist in ESO? I'm going to try to change my username but it is odd to do such a thing if there was no concept of sexism.
    The post is not about that one example! Its about the game allowing players the standard of privacy and allowing them to choose who to reveal their personal ID tag too.

    Well, which is it? Is the thread about sexism and how it shouldn't be enabled so you don't have to hide your account name, or is it about hiding your account name because you think people are being sexist?
    Edited by Judas Helviaryn on November 16, 2018 8:38AM
  • Tinus_92
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    Tinus_92 wrote: »
    According to the original post time (4am my time) this happened on a NA server, right?

    Over the years I've played on (PC)EU I have yet to see such thing happening. I do see people getting kicked, and arging with each other for many clear and unclear reasons, but being a male or female never been one of them. Then again I'll repeat what others have told, it's quite common seeing males playing females and perhaps even vice versa, so with that in mind you can't really base a judgement on someone according to his/her character. One of the the reasons why sexism doesn't happen as much (imo) is that it's very difficult to judge someones gender, no matter who they're playing. Which is a good thing if you ask me. I wonder if this is an one time accident or something which comes back to you on regular terms?

    As for your gamer ID, you mean the ingame tag or are you playing on console? Since your ESO-id tag can be changed at any time without being credited for. As far as I know there's an one week cooldown between each change though.

    Personal ID tag is the account user name. Usually games refrain from using the account user name instead show a character name and only account friends are capable of seeing the account user name.

    I can change my account username? But why do I have to resort to such measures if sexism doesn't exist in ESO? I'm going to try to change my username but it is odd to do such a thing if there was no concept of sexism. Its like belittling a person, who lives in the arctic, for wanting to go outside with winter gear because snow doesn't exist in your mind. Snow in the arctic is fact and your perceptions does not negate that there would not be any snow outside because you haven't seen it.

    To be honest I've been expecting such a reaction, so I'll repeat my words mentioned in fat black. Move on and don't fall back on those obvious trolls who kicked you out of the group, especially if this is not a repeated issue but an one time accident.

    Also, you've understood my words not correctly either. Meaning I dont see this sexism like you do, indeed doesn't mean it simply 'doesn't exist' (which is an assumption you do based on my words). However your original post and suggestion does let it look like it's a 'huge' issue for the whole community, which is something I don't agree with.
    Tinus_92 wrote: »
    Since your ESO-id tag can be changed at any time without being credited for, so if you really consider this a problem it may be usefull to take a 'genderless' @eso name. If this isn't an issue, forget about it and move on. Would recommend not playing with randoms anyways, but find a guild, make friends to play dungeons/battlegrounds with. As far as I know there's an one week cooldown between each change though. Not sure how this works for console, though.

    Edited by Tinus_92 on November 16, 2018 8:50AM
    Ingame ID: @Suni_92
  • Thoragaal
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    I can change my account username? But why do I have to resort to such measures if sexism doesn't exist in ESO?

    What you, personally, percieve to be true doesn't necessarily match with what's objectively true.
    The fact of the matter is that you can't prove the unerlying motivations behind other peoples actions, unless they flat out tell you.
    Claiming that you Do know, however, is a logical fallacy.
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
    "I've always wanted to kick a duck up the arse" -Karl Pilkington, on the question what he'd do if it was the last day on earth.
  • John_Falstaff
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    @Brittany_Joy , maybe the conversation got a bit polarized... There's no need to accuse people in intellectual dishonesty, we just want to get more insight upfront. You're demanding people to agree with you and take you seriously, but be reasonable:

    * "I got kicked from group, it is wrong." - that can be taken seriously, it's a commonplace thing, we've all been there and can feel with you. Myself included (could it be that there are secret Shakespeare hating trend in ESO community? what are the chances?)

    * "I got kicked from the group, it must be because they saw by player ID that I'm a lady." - much harder to take seriously simply because there are so many reasons (or even lack thereof) for it to happen, and you didn't give any chat exchange that happened, anything at all. Instead, you did say you went in headed for PvP. How does that help us decide what happened there and what was inside their heads?

    You've just called those three sexists. It's quite an accusation, even if you didn't name them. I mean, sure, they are guilty in kicking you without any explanation. But sexism is a bit harsh word to throw around, more so call people to side with you and say that, yes, those people are sexists.
    Edited by John_Falstaff on November 16, 2018 8:48AM
  • g6x8h12
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    I wish that I can play this game without CHEATERS!!!
    When you all turn those scripts OFF only than you can ask for tag removing.
    That's the only way to report cheaters.
  • FleetwoodSmack
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    g6x8h12 wrote: »
    I wish that I can play this game without CHEATERS!!!
    When you all turn those scripts OFF only than you can ask for tag removing.
    That's the only way to report cheaters.

    GO GET'EM, TIGER.
    Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies!
  • craftycarper73
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    Racism, Sexism and Homophobia are alive and kicking in this game, in zone chats, on a whole daily basis.

    People who turn a blind eye are part of the problem.
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  • albesca
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    Maybe I missed that bit of information, but how do you know that those that kicked you aren't ladies themselves?
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  • Carbonised
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    Point A: You decided to identify openly as female via your username, if you're that concerned (or paranoid) about harrassment, you could just have gone with a gender neutral username instead. If you can't change it yourself, you can contact support and have them do it.

    Point B: I sincerely, highly, doubt that your female username had anything whatsoever to do with what happened in that situation. Never in my 3+ years in ESO have I ever been kicked from a group or otherwise harrassed for playing a female character, and never have I witnessed someone else being harrassed or kicked from a group or whatever solely due to being a female charcater or having a female worded username. In all likelihood, you got kicked form the group for XYZ other reasons, but chose to make this a gender issue, to step into the victim role and shout paroles about politics. You could also have avoided any notion of possible (and again very unlikely) gender harrassment, simply by having chosen a more gender neutral username, see my point A.

    No, hiding someone's username isn't a good idea. It's much easier to keep track of friends and foes via the username, since people can have any number of characters. There are people I enjoy interacting with, even if they may not be on my friend list, whether in guilds, pvp or dungeons or overland zones. And there are people I would rather not interact with, or have other negative associations with, and the ignore list can only hold so many people. Allowing me to keep track of these people via their username is very convenient. Not to mention the whole chaotic mess that would be created if you could hide your login name, which would make any type of communication in guilds, traders, or with strangers in zone chat, next to impossible.

  • Gargath
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    I really don't care, I never saw any example of sexism in eso and I'm playing a lot. Also some of my characters are female with female names, but I'm a male. From my observation it makes no difference to majority of players, but sometimes you find one who is a jerk, had a bad day or just playing drunk so talking BS, then ignore is your only weapon.
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  • Brittany_Joy
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    @Judas Helviaryn @IndyWendieGo @Thoragaal @John_Falstaff In what world is '' intellectual dishonesty" considered a curse word worthy of retaliation. I am not attacking any of you. I am simply saying that you are refusing to see my point because of your criteria that is akin to a major crime's criteria that has not been met for a dispute in a game! It is just a game and all I am asking for is a gosh darn feature that provides the player with a standard of privacy seen in other games.

    I am sorry if I did come across as hostile.
  • Judas Helviaryn
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    @Judas Helviaryn @IndyWendieGo @Thoragaal @John_Falstaff In what world is '' intellectual dishonesty" considered a curse word worthy of retaliation. I am not attacking any of you. I am simply saying that you are refusing to see my point because of your criteria that is akin to a major crime's criteria that has not been met for a dispute in a game! It is just a game and all I am asking for is a gosh darn feature that provides the player with a standard of privacy seen in other games.

    I am sorry if I did come across as hostile.

    We are not attacking you, you are not a victim. When you levy accusations of this nature against other people, and whether their identities are protected or not, you should have evidence to back it up.

    Fallacious accusations are terrifying to the innocent, and should not be tolerated. Wouldn't you agree, as a champion of peoples' personal rights and liberties?
  • John_Falstaff
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    @Brittany_Joy , the root of problem is, you actually have two points. One is "there is sexism in ESO, the game should allow us to hide our IDs", the other one is "I just was kicked from a dungeon, those people are sexists". Were you to voice only the first one, the likelihood of us getting a constrictive conversation would've been much higher.
  • Brittany_Joy
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    @Judas Helviaryn @IndyWendieGo @Thoragaal @John_Falstaff In what world is '' intellectual dishonesty" considered a curse word worthy of retaliation. I am not attacking any of you. I am simply saying that you are refusing to see my point because of your criteria that is akin to a major crime's criteria that has not been met for a dispute in a game! It is just a game and all I am asking for is a gosh darn feature that provides the player with a standard of privacy seen in other games.

    I am sorry if I did come across as hostile.

    We are not attacking you, you are not a victim. When you levy accusations of this nature against other people, and whether their identities are protected or not, you should have evidence to back it up.

    Fallacious accusations are terrifying to the innocent, and should not be tolerated. Wouldn't you agree, as a champion of peoples' personal rights and liberties?

    I am not asking for anything to be done to those people. I mean its not like they're gonna get a life sentence because they were mean in a video game, thats silly. I am just saying I want my personal ID to be private to the public unless I invite them into my social circle. That way if I get kicked its because I did poorly, it just plainly sucks that being a woman is used against me to prevent me from experiencing the game's content.
  • Elwendryll
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    I feel like the conversation is not really focused on the important point.

    I consider the possibility to see the usernames invaluable. People have up to 15 characters. Without usernames publicly displayed, I could run a dungeon with a guildmate and never notice it. My guild leader and some high rank members thought I was a girl for... months, if not years xD Because my username is kind of neutral, and apparently, I "talk like a girl" in guild chat, "politely and nicely" xD

    Furthermore, when you create an account, you're informed that your account name is going to be publicly displayed. Since then, choosing a name that could give an indication on your gender is a choice. If you didn't read the conditions when creating your account, you can still change whenever you want. Being able to identify someone and tell that several characters belong to a specific person is something very important, so the usernames should be displayed, and not hidden.

    The account name is what allows the other players and ZoS to identify you, it has no other purpose, since then, it's your choice to display your gender or not.
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  • Thoragaal
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    @Judas Helviaryn @IndyWendieGo @Thoragaal @John_Falstaff In what world is '' intellectual dishonesty" considered a curse word worthy of retaliation. I am not attacking any of you. I am simply saying that you are refusing to see my point because of your criteria that is akin to a major crime's criteria that has not been met for a dispute in a game! It is just a game and all I am asking for is a gosh darn feature that provides the player with a standard of privacy seen in other games.

    I am sorry if I did come across as hostile.

    A critique of your analysis and conclusion to why you got kicked isn't "intellectual dishonesty".
    There is plenty of reasons to why someone might get kicked from a group, sexism is one of the possible reasons, but I don't find it very plausible (because it's extremely rare, and in fact I've never seen it over my 20 years online). And to exclude other possible reasons is, what you would call, intellectually dishonest of you.

    I'm not those people, I don't know why they kicked you, but I can present other possible reasons to why you got kicked:
    1) Someone in the group wanted less competition for a specific piece of gear.
    2) They didn't like that you weren't one of them (I've been kicked for not speaking "their" native language).
    3) Someone actually misclicked (yes, that's happened to me as well and when asking why I also got re-invited)
    4) Maybe you pulled mobs forcing the other three to adjust to you.
    5) Maybe you took a lot of damage forcing the healer to only focus on you.
    6) They could've done it because some people find it hilarous when they get to p*** someone off.

    As I said in my first reply, I don't find any reasons to not having the option to hide your ID. But it would've been suffecient enough just saying you wish to hide your ID, without pretending you know the other persons intentions and motivation.

    PS. No need to apologize, you didn't come across as hostile.
    Edited by Thoragaal on November 16, 2018 9:40AM
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
    "I've always wanted to kick a duck up the arse" -Karl Pilkington, on the question what he'd do if it was the last day on earth.
  • FleetwoodSmack
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    @Judas Helviaryn @IndyWendieGo @Thoragaal @John_Falstaff In what world is '' intellectual dishonesty" considered a curse word worthy of retaliation. I am not attacking any of you. I am simply saying that you are refusing to see my point because of your criteria that is akin to a major crime's criteria that has not been met for a dispute in a game! It is just a game and all I am asking for is a gosh darn feature that provides the player with a standard of privacy seen in other games.

    I am sorry if I did come across as hostile.

    Let's dissect this as well.
    In what world is '' intellectual dishonesty" considered a curse word worthy of retaliation.

    You're calling anyone this, who are skeptical and are asking for proof of your rather sweepingly claims. Thus, you don't come across hostile; you ARE being hostile.
    I am not attacking any of you. I am simply saying that you are refusing to see my point because of your criteria that is akin to a major crime's criteria that has not been met for a dispute in a game!

    People who are 'attacking' you, aren't. We're simply highly skeptical of your claims as they're rather sweeping, generalized, and do more actual harm than good. With the back and forth of some of your statements? It only makes me a bit more skeptical, no offense.
    It is just a game and all I am asking for is a gosh darn feature that provides the player with a standard of privacy seen in other games.

    Maybe just ask for the feature, or change your name instead of making baseless assumptions that you have no evidence on why you were kicked. You stated that you already have tried changing your name before and now it's all of a sudden an issue to just change your name to provide an extra layer of anonymity?

    And then we have the next bit;
    I am not asking for anything to be done to those people. I mean its not like they're gonna get a life sentence because they were mean in a video game, thats silly. I am just saying I want my personal ID to be private to the public unless I invite them into my social circle. That way if I get kicked its because I did poorly, it just plainly sucks that being a woman is used against me to prevent me from experiencing the game's content.

    To further the statements above;
    I am not asking for anything to be done to those people. I mean its not like they're gonna get a life sentence because they were mean in a video game, thats silly.

    That isn't the point. The point is, you're implicating people without any real evidence to the contrary. We don't even know if you're on PC, PS4, or XB1.
    I am just saying I want my personal ID to be private to the public unless I invite them into my social circle.
    Your account ID can be changed on PC. It's been stated over and over again, however you've yet to tell us what platform you're on so we can give you better advice on how to handle and address the situation. Instead, we're met with hostility that we're not listening. How can we listen and better help you if you're not willing to answer questions that have been asked several times? Instead we're replied with "YOU'RE NOT LISTENING. THEY ARE SEXIST!". That's neither constructive to your argument, or the thread.
    That way if I get kicked its because I did poorly, it just plainly sucks that being a woman is used against me to prevent me from experiencing the game's content.

    As a woman myself? I've been in the group finder. My ID is openly female. The reasons why I've been kicked is because of the following;
    1. My unconventional healer builds.
    2. My trolling methods with the Mystery Meat Sack (there was a jerk DPS, so I meat sacked the Pinion and it was totally worth it)
    3. Leeroy Jenkinsing the dungeon, because "YOLO". *Really I was just clearing trash until the group got where they wanted to be/do the quest, buuuuuut they didn't see it that way and I understand why it was.*

    Almost all of those were done without conversation afterword aside from the WGT dungeon. Nothing is preventing you from experiencing the content, but you. You have tools already at your disposal and your refusal to use them is just exactly why you're being met with the same closed reactions that you've been getting, even if a lot of what we're saying is something to actually better your situation.
    Edited by FleetwoodSmack on November 16, 2018 9:48AM
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  • Thoragaal
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    That way if I get kicked its because I did poorly, it just plainly sucks that being a woman is used against me to prevent me from experiencing the game's content.

    Now you're doing it again. You don't know for sure that you get kicked because of your performance. And you're making assumptions. Ultimately, as I've studied psychology for 15-20 years, I don't want you to feel bad. No matter who's to blame.
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
    "I've always wanted to kick a duck up the arse" -Karl Pilkington, on the question what he'd do if it was the last day on earth.
  • thewaywardone
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    @Brittany_Joy I am not certain if this has been suggested yet, but many game companies will change your gamer tag if it is your actual name.

    As a person who has experienced some kind of discrimination due to the name, explaining that and submitting something a bit more neutral may make it easier on you?

    For reasons unrelated to yours, I like that I can see the account name as I typically use that as a way to recognize unfavorable players at, like, guild merchants and I can continue to not support their toxic behavior.

    Because of the above, I would prefer to see the tags. However I completely get the OP’s point and I feel as though reaching out to the platform you play on and subbing a ticket explaining your situation, they can get the name changed.
    PC/NA - Daytime player - Obnoxiously Casual Player - PVE/RP
  • Dragonnord
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    @Brittany_Joy What if I don't want to play with a player because, in seeing him/her in the dungeon or trial, he/she was a very bad player (up to me who I play with) or was trolling, having bad behavior, cheating, etc. and I don't want to play with that player ever again (but I don't know his/her ID for when I see him/her again)?

    What if I see a player, let's say, in PvP, cheating from a spot I can't reach, and I just don't have a way to know who he/she is to report him/her?
     
  • Brittany_Joy
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    @IndyWendieGo , Cultural hegemony is still a thing. I don't believe you being overly critical of my experiences is helpful at all, especially if it fixates on one thing I said is one example. The original post was a generalized statement as it is quite common to experience it in varying degrees in different gaming communities. A contributing factor is the personal ID. I have the freedom to choose what my personal ID and you can't dictate it or conclude my opinion is invalid based on your own experiences. Being a woman should not prevent a player from experiencing the game's content, end of story. We can't just ignore it because there isn't any evidence for one specific situation.

    Also misquoting me is academic misconduct. I didn't attack anyone. I didn't use any insults. I just used words that I assumed you understood but then misconceived the intention. As a result, you feel insulted when there was no ill will explicitly posted. Fixating on one event doesn't help your argument either. I am obviously willing to talk about it without any sense of belittlement that is evidence enough that there really is no bad intentions on my part.

    I also explained how I do know there are other reasons to being kicked from that one instance that isn't included in my original post. I shouldn't have to be decked out with the best gear to remain in safe position with a random group. I shouldn't have to be afraid of my feminine personal ID that reflects my personal identity. I am not using that one example for this post, it is a generalized statement as seen on the original post and not quoted comments which often tend to derail anyway 'cause of social implications.

    Edit: @Dragonnord report them ZOS has knowledge of their ID names through character name anyways. @Thoragaal I am not making any assumptions them specifically. It is a generalized statement based on my experiences through multiple games. Unless indicated otherwise through ; or : or , it has no close relation to the previous sentence but is still relative to the context.
    Edited by Brittany_Joy on November 16, 2018 10:18AM
  • alanmatillab16_ESO
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    @Brittany_Joy You claim sexism was the reason for kicking you yet how do you know the gender of those players that kicked you? Did you ask or assume?

  • albesca
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    I have the freedom to choose what my personal ID

    Yes, and you have to live with the results, real or perceived as they might be.
    Because, as other wrote before, seeing the user ID is necessary to recognize both the people you want to play with and those you might want to avoid.
    PC EU

    Khajiit has no time for you
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