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Game should not show Gametag ID

  • Brittany_Joy
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    @Judas Helviaryn @Aluneth @IndyWendieGo , The post is not about that one example! Its about the game allowing players the standard of privacy and allowing them to choose who to reveal their personal ID tag too. "Intellectual dishonesty is a failure to apply standards of rational evaluation that one is aware of, usually in a self-serving fashion. If one judges others more critically than oneself, that is intellectually dishonest." (taken from google). I have explored other avenues and I continue to do so. I am just exclaiming my point that: I just want the option to hide my ID tag or to have a system that only allows friends to view personal ID tags. But you are twisting everything I say because you are choosing to be more critical of my claims based on your own biases and anecdotal evidence.
  • Tinus_92
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    According to the original post time (4am my time) this happened on a NA server, right?

    Over the years I've played on (PC)EU I have yet to see such thing happening. I do see people getting kicked, and arguing with each other for many clear and unclear reasons, but being a male or female never been one of those. Then again I'll repeat what others have told, it's quite common seeing males playing females and perhaps even vice versa, so with that in mind you can't really base a judgement on someone according to his/her character. One of the the reasons why sexism doesn't happen as much (imo) is that it's very difficult to judge someones gender, no matter who they're playing. This is a good thing if you ask me. With that said, I wonder if this is an one time accident or something which comes back to you on regular terms?

    As for your gamer ID, you mean the ingame tag or are you playing on console? Since your ESO-id tag can be changed at any time without being credited for, so if you really consider this a problem it may be usefull to take a 'genderless' @eso name. If this isn't an issue, forget about it and move on. Would recommend not playing with randoms anyways, but find a guild, make friends to play dungeons/battlegrounds with. As far as I know there's an one week cooldown between each change though. Not sure how this works for console, though.
    Edited by Tinus_92 on November 16, 2018 8:25AM
    PC/EU - 810CP+ (Main; Magplar PvE dps)
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  • Brittany_Joy
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    Tinus_92 wrote: »
    According to the original post time (4am my time) this happened on a NA server, right?

    Over the years I've played on (PC)EU I have yet to see such thing happening. I do see people getting kicked, and arging with each other for many clear and unclear reasons, but being a male or female never been one of them. Then again I'll repeat what others have told, it's quite common seeing males playing females and perhaps even vice versa, so with that in mind you can't really base a judgement on someone according to his/her character. One of the the reasons why sexism doesn't happen as much (imo) is that it's very difficult to judge someones gender, no matter who they're playing. Which is a good thing if you ask me. I wonder if this is an one time accident or something which comes back to you on regular terms?

    As for your gamer ID, you mean the ingame tag or are you playing on console? Since your ESO-id tag can be changed at any time without being credited for. As far as I know there's an one week cooldown between each change though.

    Personal ID tag is the account user name. Usually games refrain from using the account user name instead show a character name and only account friends are capable of seeing the account user name.

    I can change my account username? But why do I have to resort to such measures if sexism doesn't exist in ESO? I'm going to try to change my username but it is odd to do such a thing if there was no concept of sexism. Its like belittling a person, who lives in the arctic, for wanting to go outside with winter gear because snow doesn't exist in your mind. Snow in the arctic is fact and your perceptions does not negate the existence of snow.
    Edited by Brittany_Joy on November 16, 2018 8:35AM
  • Tinus_92
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    Tinus_92 wrote: »
    According to the original post time (4am my time) this happened on a NA server, right?

    Over the years I've played on (PC)EU I have yet to see such thing happening. I do see people getting kicked, and arging with each other for many clear and unclear reasons, but being a male or female never been one of them. Then again I'll repeat what others have told, it's quite common seeing males playing females and perhaps even vice versa, so with that in mind you can't really base a judgement on someone according to his/her character. One of the the reasons why sexism doesn't happen as much (imo) is that it's very difficult to judge someones gender, no matter who they're playing. Which is a good thing if you ask me. I wonder if this is an one time accident or something which comes back to you on regular terms?

    As for your gamer ID, you mean the ingame tag or are you playing on console? Since your ESO-id tag can be changed at any time without being credited for. As far as I know there's an one week cooldown between each change though.

    Personal ID tag is the account user name. Usually games refrain from using the account user name instead show a character name and only account friends are capable of seeing the account user name.

    I can change my account username? But why do I have to resort to such measures if sexism doesn't exist in ESO? I'm going to try to change my username but it is odd to do such a thing if there was no concept of sexism. Its like belittling a person, who lives in the arctic, for wanting to go outside with winter gear because snow doesn't exist in your mind. Snow in the arctic is fact and your perceptions does not negate that there would not be any snow outside because you haven't seen it.

    To be honest I've been expecting such a reaction, so I'll repeat my words mentioned in fat black. Move on and don't fall back on those obvious trolls who kicked you out of the group, especially if this is not a repeated issue but an one time accident.

    Also, you've understood my words not correctly either. Meaning I dont see this sexism like you do, indeed doesn't mean it simply 'doesn't exist' (which is an assumption you do based on my words). However your original post and suggestion does let it look like it's a 'huge' issue for the whole community, which is something I don't agree with.
    Tinus_92 wrote: »
    Since your ESO-id tag can be changed at any time without being credited for, so if you really consider this a problem it may be usefull to take a 'genderless' @eso name. If this isn't an issue, forget about it and move on. Would recommend not playing with randoms anyways, but find a guild, make friends to play dungeons/battlegrounds with. As far as I know there's an one week cooldown between each change though. Not sure how this works for console, though.

    Edited by Tinus_92 on November 16, 2018 8:50AM
    PC/EU - 810CP+ (Main; Magplar PvE dps)
    PvE: > vAA HM - vSO HM - vHRC HM - vHoF HM (121,529 pre-HotR) - vMoL HM (160,738 pre-morrowind) - vAS+1 - vCR +1
    Guilds: Eastern Dragons (PvP/PvE) - Ghost & Goblins (Endgame PvE, retired) - Late Night Dungeoneers (Endgame PvE) - Dragonia (Casual PvE, NL/BE) - Colovian Brothers (Endgame PvE, NL/BE)

    PC/NA - 400CP+
    PvE: > nAA, nSO, etc.
  • g6x8h12
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    I wish that I can play this game without CHEATERS!!!
    When you all turn those scripts OFF only than you can ask for tag removing.
    That's the only way to report cheaters.
  • FleetwoodSmack
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    g6x8h12 wrote: »
    I wish that I can play this game without CHEATERS!!!
    When you all turn those scripts OFF only than you can ask for tag removing.
    That's the only way to report cheaters.

    GO GET'EM, TIGER.
    Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies!
  • craftycarper73
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    Racism, Sexism and Homophobia are alive and kicking in this game, in zone chats, on a whole daily basis.

    People who turn a blind eye are part of the problem.
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  • Gargath
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    I really don't care, I never saw any example of sexism in eso and I'm playing a lot. Also some of my characters are female with female names, but I'm a male. From my observation it makes no difference to majority of players, but sometimes you find one who is a jerk, had a bad day or just playing drunk so talking BS, then ignore is your only weapon.
    PC EU (PL): 14 characters. Member of Priests of Hircine Werewolf Guild. In ESO since 06.08.2015. CP930+.
  • Brittany_Joy
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    @Judas Helviaryn @IndyWendieGo @Thoragaal @John_Falstaff In what world is '' intellectual dishonesty" considered a curse word worthy of retaliation. I am not attacking any of you. I am simply saying that you are refusing to see my point because of your criteria that is akin to a major crime's criteria that has not been met for a dispute in a game! It is just a game and all I am asking for is a gosh darn feature that provides the player with a standard of privacy seen in other games.

    I am sorry if I did come across as hostile.
  • John_Falstaff
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    @Brittany_Joy , the root of problem is, you actually have two points. One is "there is sexism in ESO, the game should allow us to hide our IDs", the other one is "I just was kicked from a dungeon, those people are sexists". Were you to voice only the first one, the likelihood of us getting a constrictive conversation would've been much higher.
  • Brittany_Joy
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    @Judas Helviaryn @IndyWendieGo @Thoragaal @John_Falstaff In what world is '' intellectual dishonesty" considered a curse word worthy of retaliation. I am not attacking any of you. I am simply saying that you are refusing to see my point because of your criteria that is akin to a major crime's criteria that has not been met for a dispute in a game! It is just a game and all I am asking for is a gosh darn feature that provides the player with a standard of privacy seen in other games.

    I am sorry if I did come across as hostile.

    We are not attacking you, you are not a victim. When you levy accusations of this nature against other people, and whether their identities are protected or not, you should have evidence to back it up.

    Fallacious accusations are terrifying to the innocent, and should not be tolerated. Wouldn't you agree, as a champion of peoples' personal rights and liberties?

    I am not asking for anything to be done to those people. I mean its not like they're gonna get a life sentence because they were mean in a video game, thats silly. I am just saying I want my personal ID to be private to the public unless I invite them into my social circle. That way if I get kicked its because I did poorly, it just plainly sucks that being a woman is used against me to prevent me from experiencing the game's content.
  • Thoragaal
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    @Judas Helviaryn @IndyWendieGo @Thoragaal @John_Falstaff In what world is '' intellectual dishonesty" considered a curse word worthy of retaliation. I am not attacking any of you. I am simply saying that you are refusing to see my point because of your criteria that is akin to a major crime's criteria that has not been met for a dispute in a game! It is just a game and all I am asking for is a gosh darn feature that provides the player with a standard of privacy seen in other games.

    I am sorry if I did come across as hostile.

    A critique of your analysis and conclusion to why you got kicked isn't "intellectual dishonesty".
    There is plenty of reasons to why someone might get kicked from a group, sexism is one of the possible reasons, but I don't find it very plausible (because it's extremely rare, and in fact I've never seen it over my 20 years online). And to exclude other possible reasons is, what you would call, intellectually dishonest of you.

    I'm not those people, I don't know why they kicked you, but I can present other possible reasons to why you got kicked:
    1) Someone in the group wanted less competition for a specific piece of gear.
    2) They didn't like that you weren't one of them (I've been kicked for not speaking "their" native language).
    3) Someone actually misclicked (yes, that's happened to me as well and when asking why I also got re-invited)
    4) Maybe you pulled mobs forcing the other three to adjust to you.
    5) Maybe you took a lot of damage forcing the healer to only focus on you.
    6) They could've done it because some people find it hilarous when they get to p*** someone off.

    As I said in my first reply, I don't find any reasons to not having the option to hide your ID. But it would've been suffecient enough just saying you wish to hide your ID, without pretending you know the other persons intentions and motivation.

    PS. No need to apologize, you didn't come across as hostile.
    Edited by Thoragaal on November 16, 2018 9:40AM
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  • Thoragaal
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    That way if I get kicked its because I did poorly, it just plainly sucks that being a woman is used against me to prevent me from experiencing the game's content.

    Now you're doing it again. You don't know for sure that you get kicked because of your performance. And you're making assumptions. Ultimately, as I've studied psychology for 15-20 years, I don't want you to feel bad. No matter who's to blame.
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
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  • thewaywardone
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    @Brittany_Joy I am not certain if this has been suggested yet, but many game companies will change your gamer tag if it is your actual name.

    As a person who has experienced some kind of discrimination due to the name, explaining that and submitting something a bit more neutral may make it easier on you?

    For reasons unrelated to yours, I like that I can see the account name as I typically use that as a way to recognize unfavorable players at, like, guild merchants and I can continue to not support their toxic behavior.

    Because of the above, I would prefer to see the tags. However I completely get the OP’s point and I feel as though reaching out to the platform you play on and subbing a ticket explaining your situation, they can get the name changed.
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  • Dragonnord
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    @Brittany_Joy What if I don't want to play with a player because, in seeing him/her in the dungeon or trial, he/she was a very bad player (up to me who I play with) or was trolling, having bad behavior, cheating, etc. and I don't want to play with that player ever again (but I don't know his/her ID for when I see him/her again)?

    What if I see a player, let's say, in PvP, cheating from a spot I can't reach, and I just don't have a way to know who he/she is to report him/her?
     
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  • Brittany_Joy
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    @IndyWendieGo , Cultural hegemony is still a thing. I don't believe you being overly critical of my experiences is helpful at all, especially if it fixates on one thing I said is one example. The original post was a generalized statement as it is quite common to experience it in varying degrees in different gaming communities. A contributing factor is the personal ID. I have the freedom to choose what my personal ID and you can't dictate it or conclude my opinion is invalid based on your own experiences. Being a woman should not prevent a player from experiencing the game's content, end of story. We can't just ignore it because there isn't any evidence for one specific situation.

    Also misquoting me is academic misconduct. I didn't attack anyone. I didn't use any insults. I just used words that I assumed you understood but then misconceived the intention. As a result, you feel insulted when there was no ill will explicitly posted. Fixating on one event doesn't help your argument either. I am obviously willing to talk about it without any sense of belittlement that is evidence enough that there really is no bad intentions on my part.

    I also explained how I do know there are other reasons to being kicked from that one instance that isn't included in my original post. I shouldn't have to be decked out with the best gear to remain in safe position with a random group. I shouldn't have to be afraid of my feminine personal ID that reflects my personal identity. I am not using that one example for this post, it is a generalized statement as seen on the original post and not quoted comments which often tend to derail anyway 'cause of social implications.

    Edit: @Dragonnord report them ZOS has knowledge of their ID names through character name anyways. @Thoragaal I am not making any assumptions them specifically. It is a generalized statement based on my experiences through multiple games. Unless indicated otherwise through ; or : or , it has no close relation to the previous sentence but is still relative to the context.
    Edited by Brittany_Joy on November 16, 2018 10:18AM
  • albesca
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    I have the freedom to choose what my personal ID

    Yes, and you have to live with the results, real or perceived as they might be.
    Because, as other wrote before, seeing the user ID is necessary to recognize both the people you want to play with and those you might want to avoid.
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