Can Dragonknights get an execute already?

Xvorg · November 2018

Stibbons wrote: »

Sure if Templars can have major sorcery attached to some skill!

Templars don't need it. Burning light is way better than major sorc/brut, giving much more dmg.

Xvorg · November 2018

NyassaV wrote: »

Just like Stam Whip this will never happen. Better off fighting a different battle.

DK already has some of the best self healing and single target pressure so the last thing they need is an execute.

Ok a lot of misinformation

1- Though CDB is a strong self heal it is not stronger than Vigor. CDB is very expensive and gives the worst major buff in return, on a class that must be run as a vampire. Compared to heals, HoTs and heals + res, it is quite weak.

2- DK has by no way some of the best single target pressure as long as the DoTs are cleansed, And the DK DoT can be seen from Atmora. If a DK gets close to you, you know he's gonna put a dot on you, so stay away from him. If you allow the DK to get close, then the DoT can pressure you but not as much as a bleed. DK DoTs are easily mitigated through armor/spell resistance and DK bleeds by no way are stronger than Sorc (extra dmg on physical dmg and the chance of implosion), Templar (natural extra wpn dmg) or NB (Natural extra crit dmg).

DK is just a jack of all trades, everything that's supposed to be strong in that class, it is much stronger in other classes. Except the nerfed-to-oblivion blocking

Wuuffyy · November 2018

Would prefer they just remove them from the game or nerf their wep and spell to 1 max respectively. L2T issue (learn to tank)

KundaliniHero · November 2018

I would prefer MagDK's not have an execute, if anything increase their damage to compensate. Honestly though in PVP MagDK's are pretty solid IMO, specifically BG's.

The problem with petitioning for a MagDK buff is that ZOS will either:

A. Nerf MagDK damage

B. Increase the cost of our other skills

C. Nerf Sorcs

I dont think anyone wants any of these things to happen.

Flame_of_Hades · November 2018

KundaliniHero wrote: »

I would prefer MagDK's not have an execute, if anything increase their damage to compensate. Honestly though in PVP MagDK's are pretty solid IMO, specifically BG's.

The problem with petitioning for a MagDK buff is that ZOS will either:

A. Nerf MagDK damage

B. Increase the cost of our other skills

C. Nerf Sorcs

I dont think anyone wants any of these things to happen.

not gonna lie, i died laughing when i read the random "C. Nerf Sorcs"

SaintSubwayy · November 2018

KundaliniHero wrote: »

I would prefer MagDK's not have an execute, if anything increase their damage to compensate. Honestly though in PVP MagDK's are pretty solid IMO, specifically BG's.

The problem with petitioning for a MagDK buff is that ZOS will either:

A. Nerf MagDK damage

B. Increase the cost of our other skills

C. Nerf Sorcs

I dont think anyone wants any of these things to happen.

C. no problem with that, actually they can nerf everything except magDK's xD

daveywavey · November 2018

Does every Class have to be the same? Surely if every Class has whatever the other Classes have, then there's effectively just the one Class?

John_Falstaff · November 2018

@daveywavey , as long as classes have their own ways of accomplishing the very same tasks in similarly efficient manner (albeit in own style), no. But there's the issue of content design. There are fights where lack of burst and execute difficult to make up for. It would be an amazing thing if all content could be solved with same amount of struggle both by sneaky assassins and 'stand your ground' classes. Sadly, we're not in that perfect world where it's a thing. >.<

@Kanar , I'm still interested in rotation that includes Eruption, and how does it work for you. Feels counter-intuitive to me, but I would like to give it a test-drive.

BaylorCorvette · November 2018

MagDKs are amazing in PvP this patch. My buddy that I duo with runs a MagDK and it is nasty. The amount of burst and self healing they have are fantastic. Their ability to turn the tide of battle wih Ult and the resource return is very solid. I should also add he plays his MagDK in light armor in open world and survivability is just fine even at 23k health. MagDKs are very strong in the hands of the right people.

ZarkingFrued · November 2018

Everyone is up at arms about wings reflect, I dont even use it. 2 seconds of snare immunity and 4 projectiles reflected really is situational at best. You really have to spam it to make use of it and that's just not logical. It only works if you use it to get away only, and it's still not gonna help you a lot. It's not my fault you kept firing projectiles at a DK with wings and killed yourself 100 times. Even with Dawnbreaker and fire damage I'm finding I prefer mist form. I would be more than happy to trade wings for an execute on whip. At this point they have taken away just about everything that makes power lash worth slotting anyhow, retaining only the heal which is unrealiable as a heal.

ZarkingFrued · November 2018

NyassaV wrote: »

Just like Stam Whip this will never happen. Better off fighting a different battle.

DK already has some of the best self healing and single target pressure so the last thing they need is an execute.

My mag dk wishes he could self heal like my stam sorc or any of my stam characters. Nothing but situational burst heals. No hit vigor and watch my health bar jump to 100% through damage

ZarkingFrued · November 2018

BaylorCorvette wrote: »

MagDKs are amazing in PvP this patch. My buddy that I duo with runs a MagDK and it is nasty. The amount of burst and self healing they have are fantastic. Their ability to turn the tide of battle wih Ult and the resource return is very solid. I should also add he plays his MagDK in light armor in open world and survivability is just fine even at 23k health. MagDKs are very strong in the hands of the right people.

Videos or it didn't happen. 🤣🤣

BlackMadara · November 2018

ZarkingFrued wrote: »

NyassaV wrote: »

Just like Stam Whip this will never happen. Better off fighting a different battle.

DK already has some of the best self healing and single target pressure so the last thing they need is an execute.

My mag dk wishes he could self heal like my stam sorc or any of my stam characters. Nothing but situational burst heals. No hit vigor and watch my health bar jump to 100% through damage

I heal much better on my mDK compared to my stam DK, and that's with no major mending on mDK. Cauterize is an excellent HoT, burning embers is a good heal at 5 seconds and terrific at full duration, power lash is what vigor wishes it was, and coag blood is just for pulling myself out of execute range.

Compared to my stam DK, where I have to hit frag shield then vigor and make sure I relieve pressure with LoS, block, dodge, or cc to get out of execute range.

BaylorCorvette · November 2018

ZarkingFrued wrote: »

Videos or it didn't happen. 🤣🤣

Our Small group against a DC Zerg

2vX

3vEmp and Emps Guild

flguy147ub17_ESO · November 2018

MagWarden doesnt have one either. I think there should be an execute in some type of weapon skill line. Not sure where to fit it in the destro line though, maybe make the other morph of flame reach not a dot but execute

ZarkingFrued · November 2018

BaylorCorvette wrote: »

ZarkingFrued wrote: »

Videos or it didn't happen. 🤣🤣

Our Small group against a DC Zerg

2vX

3vEmp and Emps Guild

Nice!

_Ahala_ · November 2018

flguy147ub17_ESO wrote: »

MagWarden doesnt have one either. I think there should be an execute in some type of weapon skill line. Not sure where to fit it in the destro line though, maybe make the other morph of flame reach not a dot but execute

Or we could get a magicka poison injection like execute on fletcher infection so we don’t get locked into using fire staves as ice mages

SaintSubwayy · November 2018

_Ahala_ wrote: »

flguy147ub17_ESO wrote: »

MagWarden doesnt have one either. I think there should be an execute in some type of weapon skill line. Not sure where to fit it in the destro line though, maybe make the other morph of flame reach not a dot but execute

Or we could get a magicka poison injection like execute on fletcher infection so we don’t get locked into using fire staves as ice mages

This aint about Mag wardens here.
That Ice mage stuff is another conplete mess that needs to be fixed
Feel free to create a new post towards mag warden DD skills and needed biffs.

IMO magDk should not get a Execute, but have higher Dps than other meele DDs before execute, and be at the same lvl when the boss dies.

Somewhere · November 2018

flguy147ub17_ESO wrote: »

MagWarden doesnt have one either. I think there should be an execute in some type of weapon skill line. Not sure where to fit it in the destro line though, maybe make the other morph of flame reach not a dot but execute

Eh, I feel like one day ZOS will make a non-class magic execute, but I really doubt it'll end up in a weapon skill line due to some change they make. More likely it would end up in a guild skill line, but whether or not that ever actually happens is anyone's guess. If we were changing existing skills, I think Entropy in the Mages Guild tree is a better candidate for a skill to receive a massive change like that.

ZarkingFrued · November 2018

Somewhere wrote: »

flguy147ub17_ESO wrote: »

MagWarden doesnt have one either. I think there should be an execute in some type of weapon skill line. Not sure where to fit it in the destro line though, maybe make the other morph of flame reach not a dot but execute

Eh, I feel like one day ZOS will make a non-class magic execute, but I really doubt it'll end up in a weapon skill line due to some change they make. More likely it would end up in a guild skill line, but whether or not that ever actually happens is anyone's guess. If we were changing existing skills, I think Entropy in the Mages Guild tree is a better candidate for a skill to receive a massive change like that.

Idk, a lot of people use entropy it seems. Accessible major Sorcery

ZarkingFrued · November 2018

Just seems to me that ZOS keeps taking things away from mag Dk like whip stun saying, they want all classes to be intentional about when they stun, and increasing the cost of power lash because they want it to be in line with other classes sustain ect. Well if they want it to be in line with other classes then the hand that nerfeth should also buffeth with an execute lol.

ZarkingFrued · November 2018

BlackMadara wrote: »

ZarkingFrued wrote: »

NyassaV wrote: »

Just like Stam Whip this will never happen. Better off fighting a different battle.

DK already has some of the best self healing and single target pressure so the last thing they need is an execute.

My mag dk wishes he could self heal like my stam sorc or any of my stam characters. Nothing but situational burst heals. No hit vigor and watch my health bar jump to 100% through damage

I heal much better on my mDK compared to my stam DK, and that's with no major mending on mDK. Cauterize is an excellent HoT, burning embers is a good heal at 5 seconds and terrific at full duration, power lash is what vigor wishes it was, and coag blood is just for pulling myself out of execute range.

Compared to my stam DK, where I have to hit frag shield then vigor and make sure I relieve pressure with LoS, block, dodge, or cc to get out of execute range.

Power lash is what vigor wishes it was? I cant even continue this conversation lmao!!!!!!!!!!!!! I would trade power lash any day for a magicka vigor.

XomRhoK · November 2018

Don't read all posts here, just saw thread about executes and want to ask question.
I play DK casual roleplaying build and never use executes, but i always thought executes make fights more dull, from some point best option is to mindlessly spam execute, especially in boss fights, where execute phase is long. Is this true, from your experience? Would not be better, just remove all executes?

Illuvatarr · November 2018

DKs are actually a weak class. No execute and crap for mobility. Wings is a poor balancing act for that. The class needs to be buffed and wings removed. Non CP excluded of course. DKs are and have been on god mode in non cp since forever.