RakeWorm wrote: »

So, you are actively avoiding the current trade system and then asking for a different one, all the while annoyed that you can't trade?

No, you should read what I actually wrote. I'm not asking for a different system, I'm saying that unless the implementation is changed all the useful items I'm making are going to waste, because it isn't worth risking my funds, taking my time or putting up with knuckleheads in chat to work with the current implementation.

Sarenia wrote: »

That's your choice not to be social and join guilds though. You must realize that. That's not the game's fault.

Nothing to do with being social, I will be joining a guild for that purpose. It's that I cannot trade my wares with the trading guilds. As I said above, I am well into my crafting and spending a lot of time on it. I've only got to level 15 in eight days play just because I'm spending such a long time on it. This means I'm making what might be considered very useful items for others. However, I don't want to waste even more time trading in chat and trading in guilds is like trading in chat only it takes even longer, you get charged a lot of gold and have to put up with extreme unsociability in there.

Maybe when the dust settles, some good trading guilds will emerge and I may be able to join one. However, in the meantime, crafted blues are being thrown away.

Instead of an AH they should add a trade board in the menu or in bigger cities where people can list the items they want to sell or buy without pricing. This would leave it up to the people to contact each other and leave the bartering aspect ZOS wanted in the game. It'd be a like a virtual craigslist so to speak.

Tipsy247 wrote: »

Instead of an AH they should add a trade board in the menu or in bigger cities where people can list the items they want to sell or buy without pricing. This would leave it up to the people to contact each other and leave the bartering aspect ZOS wanted in the game. It'd be a like a virtual craigslist so to speak.

Ok. I admit. That is different and as I said before, I don't like the idea of auction houses that is-- that is kinda freakin' neat idea! Though they have to code it where you couldn't touch the item you wanted to 'crag off' or if you did touch it, it remove it automatically, so people couldn't false advertise.

It kinda reminds me something CoH/V (Edit: cause it didn't like the x) (City of Heroes/Villians) had that was like an in game message board.

Right now I like that there is no auction house....try something different. I really hope they hold to their guns on this. If you want WOW, go play WOW.

I must admit, at first I was sceptical about no AH, only guild stores but now I actually like this idea, it reminds me of the medieval trading and crafting guilds. When I mentioned this to my friend, he was still sceptical but he is not playing the game, shame on him, so I don't expect him to understand.

Some people are very stubborn though, they were complaining on zone chat that they want to buy/sell stuff but not willing to join any guilds as it is against their beliefs or whatever. Their loss.

Oh, and talking of guilds, are there threads here on the forum for guilds? I am on EU megaserver, EP faction and I am in 3 "social" guilds but only one of them is somewhat active and I am a social player so I was wondering if I can browse through either guilds or recommendations on this forum but couldn't find anything about it, hope someone can help me out.
Thank you in advance and sorry for this off topic part :P

Greydog wrote: »

look here for guilds'

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/categories/EN-guild-headquarters

Thank you very much! But I shall stop the offtopic now :P by.the way, how do you guys divide your 5 guild "slots"? How many tradeguilds do you join? I was thinking of 2, the rest for general guilds.

Tipsy247 wrote: »

Instead of an AH they should add a trade board in the menu or in bigger cities where people can list the items they want to sell or buy without pricing. This would leave it up to the people to contact each other and leave the bartering aspect ZOS wanted in the game. It'd be a like a virtual craigslist so to speak.

I really love this idea too.

Wintyr wrote: »

its a mega server look at guild wars 2 auction system with trade being across all servers its kinda the same guild wars 2 devs have to impose new ways to controll the ecomemy because eveything is worthless. its cheaper to buy your amour and sell all the matts to make it seperatly unless its a ecto and some other very rare item its almost worthless. i hate it but like it at the same time.

Back when I played Guild Wars 2 that was the only thing I liked about that game. The auction house was amazing and my stuff would sell almost the second I put it up. I had never seen such a robust economy on any game.

So if that's an example of what could happen on this game if they were to introduce a server-wide auction house, I am all for it.

Xabien wrote: »

I think you've been talking to the wrong trading guilds. We're extremely social, run group pve/pvp, use teamspeak and our forums are always being used. It's turned into a fantastic in game community.

As I said, I'm sure there are some, but it's not possible to find them at the moment. I'm not going to keep joining and leaving them until I get lucky, I'll wait until reputations become apparent. But the biggest problem is the huge cut the AH takes out of your sale. I don't really acquire much gold as it is with having to keep expanding my bank and bag slots, so don't have much capital to risk with items not selling. Now if the AH fees were less, that would be a different matter.

Censorious wrote: »

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

Well , what this system forced me into is 1 guild i care about and 4 guilds i keep on MUTE.

I dont care even one bit about ANYTHING they have to say , but i still stay inside the guild just because i want their AH.

It is like i have 2000 people in a new smaller zone chat i can ignore like his big brother hehe.

Well, that is kinda the idea.

I can't be bothered with guilds normally (except a PvP guild) but in this game it doesn't matter. You just join one and then ignore it except for the shop.
And nobody minds - that's the beauty.

Beauty ? In my book it's rather an unmistakable sign of dysfunctional game design.

I am ok with no AH but they really need to revamp the guild stores at the very least let us sort by name and ...for goodness sake add a dang search feature!

Btw the fees associated with the guild stores...do the guilds that run the stores see any of that money?

The only thing a lack of an auction house is doing is hurting the regular players pocket, as there is little information about the prices everyone is selling at and little to no market adjustment as when you have a global auction house, you are seeing prices skyrocket or have a ridiculous variation in price for low level items.

People often talk about how bad an auction house is for the community, but one thing it accomplishes is to lower prices of lower quality items as there is a lot of supply to meet demand.

Jonnymorrow wrote: »

Dumbledalf wrote: »

Jonnymorrow wrote: »

No we dont need an auction house. It would ruin the market and makes items/gold worthless. Way too many people on the servers. Epic items for 10 gold and all that shite with the undercutting.

People would literally be running around in full purple gear which costs like 1k to buy a whole set, making this game even easier than it already is.

From what I can see, the way loot is dropping people will all be running around in purple if not yellow gear anyway.

nlnj_a wrote: »

I DO NOT WANT ONE!

Thank you for a very well put together concise argument.

People may have a few purples in their sets because they are a little to common at the moment. But people arent all running around in full sets of purples, which they bought off some auction house for less than the items vend for.

A trade channel is how it needs to be fixed, Why there isnt one already is plain stupid.

Also until you get a trade channel just ignore the people that spam the most, it isnt difficult and wont ruin the games economy.

Lets get a guild recruitment channel as well while we are at it.
I have seen several threads in the support section with people complaining about gold sellers spamming chat.

The ONLY spam I have seen anywhere are the guild recruitment and trade.
I have not seen a single gold seller anywhere, which makes me wonder if its being made to seem worse than it is or if people are confusing guild recruitment with gold sellers.

The guild recruitment and trade spam however is really getting out of hand.

As for the guild store thing, while an interesting idea, I'm not convinced its better than a traditional Player Market(I hate the term Auction House).
It excludes lone players and players in smaller guilds, and forces people to join mega guilds just to be able to sell their things.

As one person already said these guilds seems like they dont want to accept players who dont play on a regular basis, so how are these people supposed to be able to sell their items?
Nobody can force people to accept someone to their guild if they dont want them, and creating their own guild may not be feasible for these people either due to limited gametime.

And before you say they can use the chat, not everyone has the time to sit around doing that, some people has other obligations such as school, work and families, that dont allow then to sit for hours on end trying to sell their items.
These people would prefer to spend what little gametime they have playing the game, not waste it trying to sell their items.
Not to mention that I'm certain there are allot of people who just dont feel comfortable about doing things that way, and prefer the ease of use of a player market.

I for one, and I'm sure many agree with me on this, find it extremely annoying to see chat constantly spammed with not just people trying to sell stuff, but guild recruitments as well.
And I would prefer to save my ignore list for people who actually deserve it, not for those who are just trying to sell their items or want to recruit more players for their guild.

But instead of sitting here and arguing for or against a player market, why dont we instead try to find a middle ground somewhere, a compromise that that could satisfy both sides?

I honestly dont know how it would be done, but I would think it a better idea to try and discuss a possible alternative than sitting here arguing either for or against a player market.

I am the member of only one trading guild, not even full, but it has 5+ pages (didn`t search through all) of items, 100 different kind of stuff on each page which is nice. Also, don`t forget, in other MMOs there are auction houses, yes, but a great deal of people don`t even use it, maybe only to buy items occasionally. I know I hardlu put in anything. But people here join trade guilds mostly for this reason, meaning most of the guild`s members are going to actively use the store.