dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

i dont know about battlegrounds, but right now in pvp in cryodiil you sorcerers RACE and RUN immediately into battle and have shields still stacked and mass damage just as always and we see allot of dead people around you, yet, this thread would indicate otherwise.

you received nerfs just like the rest of ALL of us.
we all suffered changes.
just because you are not as mass KING and complete dominant like you have been for the past 5 years doesn't mean your trash, it just means you have been brought inline with the rest of us and class balanced.

Hmmmm, you do know you can play sorcy as well. So what you are saying is that you need to be nerfed more....

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

i dont know about battlegrounds, but right now in pvp in cryodiil you sorcerers RACE and RUN immediately into battle and have shields still stacked and mass damage just as always and we see allot of dead people around you, yet, this thread would indicate otherwise.

you received nerfs just like the rest of ALL of us.
we all suffered changes.
just because you are not as mass KING and complete dominant like you have been for the past 5 years doesn't mean your trash, it just means you have been brought inline with the rest of us and class balanced.

Please leave this thread with your propaganda. It doesn't help.

the comment i made:

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"i dont know about battlegrounds, but right now in pvp in cryodiil you sorcerers RACE and RUN immediately into battle and have shields still stacked and mass damage just as always and we see allot of dead people around you, yet, this thread would indicate otherwise.you received nerfs just like the rest of ALL of us. we all suffered changes. just because you are not as mass KING and complete dominant like you have been for the past 5 years doesn't mean your trash, it just means you have been brought inline with the rest of us and class balanced."
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was not intended as an insult nor any type of "propaganda" infact, it was not any type of "propaganda" whatsoever, in the least, nor was it intended to be anything other then my opinion, which i stated clearly and truthfully.
and is not only allowed but also encouraged on this forum.

that: "i believe sorcerer class is doing just fine in PvP." was simply my opinion ...

and from the look of many other comments in this thread, it appears i am not alone in that belief.
i stand by my earlier wordings.

Preach dwemer. No one understands your high iq. All these low life sorc scum have been playing the easiest class for years while us skilled players have pushed ourselves on nb, the most challenging class since release.

Boasting 16k hp all divines 7 medium with only fm as a heal I run all 3 damage sets and play like a man.
Kill or be killed, evade with sheer skill alone to avoid detection and escape danger. It’s difficult but rewarding. These sorcs will never understand.
https://youtu.be/g7DHQ10x9PM

In terms of making better or more varied choices... As a non pet mag sorc, I don't quite agree that's the result of the accumulated changes to the class.

We need at least 5 light armour for relevant passives to be effective, we need chest heavy for best return, legs or helm medium depending on monster set for undaunted passives. We heal through crit so need to double bar inner light (an other wise fairly useless active used for passive), we scale damage on magicka and have very little resistances, so we double bar bound aegis for passives in mag boost and resistance bonuses. That leaves 3 slots per bar for active skills: sorc doesn't do big damage up front, but applies sustained medium dmg over time, we need our dots, the best being liquid lightning, barricade of elements for the additional effects. We need a buff and source if major sorcery, hmm, power surge then? We need a spammable, elemental weapon or force pulse... So what about a CC? That's where we can make the choice that ZOS wants us to. To cc or not to cc, use a high cost ranged, or delayed damage, or, heaven forbid, a shield! That's the variety we can work with one slot per bar. Of course, pet sorc has even less choice.

They need to address the passives, and sustain, not fiddle with the few options we have until all choice vanishes entirely.

Valrien wrote: »

I really think you're making the issue out to be a lot less than it is

I'm not saying we haven't been hit with the nerf bat. I'm just saying it's within our means to still remain an effective and devastating force on the battlefield. Our offense is probably as good as we will ever see in the coming days. I think all the quitters who shelved their magsorc really have not taken a good look at the kit we got to work with this patch. Nothing wrong with using cover since we have superior mobility. Max magicka and bastion are overkill now so why not switch to the steed and drop vamp for more under the shield healing and mobility? Overload is god tier now don't even need frags anymore. New Destro staff makes Netches touch look like a good option for shock sorcs. 2 Excellent magicka sets are out and about now with bright throats and spell strategist, but Lich spinners Masters inferno and Bloodspawn are still king so you don't even have to farm them. We aren't as bad off as the doomsayers would have you belive.

DivinityDay wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

It seems that every time Sorcerer finds its place in the game ZOS nerfs it without giving it a clear path of where it wants to go. The abilities being contradictory don't help either.

Sorcs are the CC class? ZOS slowly makes CC less and less useful (Negate used to work on the Hel Ra HM Gargoyles, for example) and nerfs their single target CCs like Rune Cage and Frags

Sorcs are the mobility class? Bolt Escape and Major Expedition have both been severely nerfed

Sorcs are the burst class? Damage nerfs

Sorcs are the tanky class? Shield nerfs

Not to mention, Sorcs are supposed to be the ranged class so why is Boundless Storm a melee range ability while Hurricane is the one with decent range? Should it not be the other way around? If Sorcs are supposed to take damage with their shields, why do they have "block" abilities like Persistence and Bound Armor?

I genuinely think ZOS just does not know what they want Sorcerer to be, as it is having a massive identity crisis right now and the class is designed in such a way where it is either too good or nowhere near good enough

I'm a sorc, I just beat VMA for the first time last night and that's what I am. A mSorc that can beat VMA.

That's off topic.
Read the OP's concern again.

It was never about; the class "sucking", "overperforming", or if anyone cares that you've completed VMA.

Congratulations on clearing VMA though!

ATomiX96 wrote: »

not mine btw