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What Does ZOS Want Sorc To Be?
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weedgenius✭✭✭✭✭
✭oxygen_thief wrote: »they want you to buy subscription, some stuff from the store and never play the game. if you pay and dont create additional load on the server then you are the best customer
100000000% this
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AbysmalGhul✭✭✭✭✭
✭weedgenius wrote: »
Mag warden is pay to be elite. All the "cool" kids are doing it these days.1 -
Valrien✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Facefister wrote: »Sorc healer is pretty strong.
Also not what most people think of or intend to make when they see "Sorcerer"Valrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
Garahel Dravic -- Level 50 Bosmeri Nightblade (EP)Tamriel Unlimited was a mistake. One Tamriel was a bigger mistake4 -
Facefister✭✭✭✭✭
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And when I see "Templar" I think of a crusader type guy with heavy armor and a two-hand sword...Facefister wrote: »Sorc healer is pretty strong.
Also not what most people think of or intend to make when they see "Sorcerer"
Stamsorc is still strong, despite in dire need of a class-specific skill or two.
Can't say much about the Magsorc but some of my guildies still do ~40k without cheesing on the dummy.
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RainfeatherUK✭✭✭✭I have been primarily a nightblade, however similar applies.
People want everything nerfed and ZoS caved to that forum whining but, people forget that important element of MMO.
Class fantasy.
Invariably people have something they 'lean toward' when they press that create character button the first time (main). For the mage fan - it's going to be sorcerer. Project that to the wide scale. Once its identity is removed. Once the homogenization of skills comes. One the skills themselves are unimpactful and boring; people don't comment. They just quit.
And all of a sudden the volume of players genuinely enjoying the choice they made goes poof.
Balancing is ofcourse a staple of MMO's. It always has been. Yet flip to something popular like FFXIV and when the nerfs come - well blackmage (sorc equiv) is still the very same thing you fell in love with on that first button press. With ESO, it feels as if they couldn't care less. Just flip it about like nobody's business. If any other mmo game did things like this > daed gaem.
It's only permitted here because: Easy level, limited class choice and flavour (assuming meta) and cheap involvement now that p2p is gone.
The class direction here is abysmal. Whatever you might think of the game at large. Boring classes and skills = fun? I think not.Edited by RainfeatherUK on November 11, 2018 1:11AM9 -
Gilvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭dwemer_paleologist wrote: »i dont know about battlegrounds, but right now in pvp in cryodiil you sorcerers RACE and RUN immediately into battle and have shields still stacked and mass damage just as always and we see allot of dead people around you, yet, this thread would indicate otherwise.
you received nerfs just like the rest of ALL of us.
we all suffered changes.
just because you are not as mass KING and complete dominant like you have been for the past 5 years doesn't mean your trash, it just means you have been brought inline with the rest of us and class balanced.
Please leave this thread with your propaganda. It doesn't help.
the comment i made:
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"i dont know about battlegrounds, but right now in pvp in cryodiil you sorcerers RACE and RUN immediately into battle and have shields still stacked and mass damage just as always and we see allot of dead people around you, yet, this thread would indicate otherwise.you received nerfs just like the rest of ALL of us. we all suffered changes. just because you are not as mass KING and complete dominant like you have been for the past 5 years doesn't mean your trash, it just means you have been brought inline with the rest of us and class balanced."
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was not intended as an insult nor any type of "propaganda" infact, it was not any type of "propaganda" whatsoever, in the least, nor was it intended to be anything other then my opinion, which i stated clearly and truthfully.
and is not only allowed but also encouraged on this forum.
that: "i believe sorcerer class is doing just fine in PvP." was simply my opinion ...
and from the look of many other comments in this thread, it appears i am not alone in that belief.
i stand by my earlier wordings.
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Idinuse✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭It's not about class identity. At all.
It was about putting risk back into the equation for overly strong ranged magicka builds. There should always be some risk in a combat encounter. Feeling that you're invincible to mistakes means that a game mechanic wasn't functioning as intended.
That mechanic has been revised to better meet the developers' expectations of how players should be actively playing a range magicka build. With a combination of shields and active defense responses, not just shields alone.
So now it's time for Night Blades huh?
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Valrien✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭dwemer_paleologist wrote: »dwemer_paleologist wrote: »i dont know about battlegrounds, but right now in pvp in cryodiil you sorcerers RACE and RUN immediately into battle and have shields still stacked and mass damage just as always and we see allot of dead people around you, yet, this thread would indicate otherwise.
you received nerfs just like the rest of ALL of us.
we all suffered changes.
just because you are not as mass KING and complete dominant like you have been for the past 5 years doesn't mean your trash, it just means you have been brought inline with the rest of us and class balanced.
Please leave this thread with your propaganda. It doesn't help.
the comment i made:
Quote:
"i dont know about battlegrounds, but right now in pvp in cryodiil you sorcerers RACE and RUN immediately into battle and have shields still stacked and mass damage just as always and we see allot of dead people around you, yet, this thread would indicate otherwise.you received nerfs just like the rest of ALL of us. we all suffered changes. just because you are not as mass KING and complete dominant like you have been for the past 5 years doesn't mean your trash, it just means you have been brought inline with the rest of us and class balanced."
End Quote:
was not intended as an insult nor any type of "propaganda" infact, it was not any type of "propaganda" whatsoever, in the least, nor was it intended to be anything other then my opinion, which i stated clearly and truthfully.
and is not only allowed but also encouraged on this forum.
that: "i believe sorcerer class is doing just fine in PvP." was simply my opinion ...
and from the look of many other comments in this thread, it appears i am not alone in that belief.
i stand by my earlier wordings.
Well, the propaganda part comes in when in every Sorc thread you try your hardest to spread the word to the uneducated masses that Sorc is and has been OP for 5 years without a single flaw or problem and deserves every nerf that comes to it.
I have words for that mentality but I am not allowed to say them hereValrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
Garahel Dravic -- Level 50 Bosmeri Nightblade (EP)Tamriel Unlimited was a mistake. One Tamriel was a bigger mistake13 -
Abigail✭✭✭✭✭I'd love to have someone from the ZOS development team answer the title question.
I've got five Sorcs, of varying races and builds, that do about the same amount of damage. With identical rotations each can dispatch the average over-ground mob in three, sometimes four hits. This is okay for my style of play, and I enjoy them. Coincidentally, they're all in gold gear that variously promotes amongst crit rates, penetration, or maximum magicka.
That said, I've recently created a stamina-based alt (withholding race and class for fear ZOS will pounce on this post as an opportunity to nerf the hell out of it). This alt is still a lowbee, with only dropped gear, but it nearly always one-shots the same mobs, with only an occasional two-shot kill. This, while also being considerably more survivable.
Now, I'm aware that I'm comparing apples to oranges to an extent due to level adjustments and marginally varying distribution of CP, but I've still got to question just what the hell ZOS intends for MagSorcs because at present they feel entirely gimped in comparison to my stamina-based alts.Edited by Abigail on November 11, 2018 3:13AM5 -
mr_wazzabi✭✭✭✭✭
✭Glass cannon killstealer or tanky shield stacker. Not both.
Bosmer Stamina NB
Altmer Magicka TEMP
Dunmer DK both stam/mag (depends what I feel like)
Altmer Magicka NB
Breton Magicka Sorc
Redguard Stam Sorc
Max CP4 -
emily3989✭✭✭✭✭Sorc are alt characters until the next update when they will be OP again, its just a matter of time, it's like the circle of life. I have one of each class, that way I control my own options.Thasi - V16 Magblade Vampire PC/NA4
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pod88kk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Whatever you want them to be because it's play the way you want to play...... Unless you want to be competitive then it's all meta baby!! Whoop whoop all aboard the meta train chuga chuga Choo choo2 -
JJBoomer✭✭✭✭✭they want sorcs to be back line, ranged glass cannons to support stams who are up front. but they don't want us to have any defense if the stams suck butthole, which A LOT of them do. basically they want sorcs to be magical artillery support but if you get attacked, you ***.0
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ezio45✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭It's not about class identity. At all.
It was about putting risk back into the equation for overly strong ranged magicka builds. There should always be some risk in a combat encounter. Feeling that you're invincible to mistakes means that a game mechanic wasn't functioning as intended.
That mechanic has been revised to better meet the developers' expectations of how players should be actively playing a range magicka build. With a combination of shields and active defense responses, not just shields alone.
This is a terrible argument, noone was flat out avoiding mechanics is vet trials because of shields
I cant even res in vet trials now because ill die do to these stupid changes, pvp isnt any better2 -
frostz417✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I don't think they are doing a good job with sorcs these days but I'm pretty sure there is at least some idea where sorcs are supposed to go. Look at the latest changes - sorc sturggles with sustain, which skills got cost reduction? Pets. Making pets immortal in trials is another change in the same vein. I think that ZOS wants sorcs to be the pet class. Because let's be honest, non-pet sorc is just a weaker nightblade.
Is it working? Well, not really. Double barring still hurts in PvP and LA rotation on pet-sorc just does not fit that well for PvE.So is Warden p2w?
No it’s not. There’s is no p2w in eso smh0 -
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✭✭I believe zos wants sorcs to be a pet class. Considering they buff Pets every patch0 -
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✭✭✭mr_wazzabi wrote: »Glass cannon killstealer or tanky shield stacker. Not both.
ok this is another false argument, a glass cannon sorc was still insta dead last patch, wearing something like skoria caluurion and spinners , ya you could kill players fact but you were dead as soon as you got to a 1v1
the popular build for sorc, infernal or skoira and shackle with lich isnt a glass cannon build. its low stat, 3 ish k spell damage and low crit. the only damage a sorc had before come from all div and nirn weap
all divs is now gone because you need to wear impen and your still only getting 2500 crit resist1 -
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Guess that means next patch sorcs will be Gandalf the White? * Rubs hands together maniacally*Zaghigoth- Orc Stamplar
Soul Razor- Altmer Magsorc
Les Drago- Redguard Stamdk
Eirius- Altmer Magdk
Stormifeth- Altmer Magplar
Disclaimer: My comments are a little sarcasm mixed with truth. If you can't handle that don't respond to me.6
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