Werewolf bug

Cortimi · November 2018

The skill Deafening Roar is bugged. It is not applying the Major Fracture Debuff to elite or higher mobs, or players immune to CC.

The description reads:
"Roar with bloodlust to terrify up to 6 nearby enemies, fearing them for 3.3 seconds AND applying Major Fracture to them, reducing their Physical Resistance by 5280 for 7 seconds."

The key word there is AND. Fear is a debuff. Fracture is another debuff. This literally states "applies debuff X AND applies debuff Y", but it does not. It seems the fracture debuff is tied to the "fear" debuff and CC immunity, but it should not be.

For proof this is not simply a tooltip bug, consider the Nightblade skill morph Surprise Attack:
"Slash an enemy, dealing XXX Physical Damage and afflicting them with Major Fracture, which reduces their Physical Resistance by 5280 for 15 seconds. Attacking with Surprise Attack while Sneaking or invisible stuns the enemy and sets them Off Balance for 4 seconds."

The keyword there is AND. Off Balance is a debuff, stun is another debuff. "applies debuff X AND applies debuff Y". If an enemy is immune to CC, THEY ARE STILL AFFLICTED WITH THE OTHER DEBUFFS and set off balance with Fracture applied. Just because an opponent is CC immune, does not mean they escape the Fracture, or Off Balance effect.

This is also not in line with ANY other skill that applies Major Fracture. Not a single skill that applies Major Fracture is conditional upon CC immunity or mob "Elite" status.
As a reminder, those are:

Dragonknight > Ardent Flame > Noxious Breath
Nightblade > Shadow > Surprise Attack
Nightblade > Assassination > Mark Target
One-Handed and Shield > Puncture
Warden > Green Balance > Subterranean Assault

None of which have such requisites.

Qbiken · November 2018

We can´t say for sure that this is a bug or not. From a balance perspective it makes sense. Off-balance is an incredibly powerful buff/debuff for both PvE and PvP. Hence the reason off-balance has a limited uptime on bosses and elite monsters.

If you look at it another way (with focus on the AND word) you could also say that´s intended.
If you want to apply the "2nd debuff" (fracture/off-balance) you need to fulfil the first condition, which is to Fear your enemy. If the first condition isn´t met you won´t get the 2nd feature.

And your comparison with Surprise attack isn´t 100% accurate either. If I want to get the off-balance effect by using it from sneak or invisibility my enemy can´t be immune to CC. If they´re, I´m not going to stun them, and I won´t the get off-balance buff/debuff. So even with surprise attack we´ve a series of conditions that needs to be met before additional debuffs can be applied. So here we´ve the same case as with Ferocious Roar. We need the stun to apply in order to get the off-balance debuff. So technically you could say that surprise attack suffers from the same bug (assuming it´s a bug that is)

Until we get confirmation from a dev we can´t know for sure if this is a bug or not. From a PvP perspective I see this as somewhat balanced. Werewolf Fear is the only Fear in the game that affects 6 people. Having no way to counter play to either off-balance or fracture against a werewolf isn´t balanced imo.

But a confirmation from the dev-team would be highly appreciated. @ZOS_GinaBruno

Spartabunny08 · November 2018

Fear is a disabling effect or hard crowd control although that is on a global cool down the fracture isn't and should always apply. That would be a bug that gc preventing the fear also prevents the fracture. Could be worse...

Cortimi · November 2018

Qbiken wrote: »

If I want to get the off-balance effect by using it from sneak or invisibility my enemy can´t be immune to CC. If they´re, I´m not going to stun them, and I won´t the get off-balance buff/debuff.

This is incorrect. The Off-Balance and Fracture is still applied to CC immune targets. Confirmed on stamblade in PvP and PvE.

Here is the Werewolf skill failing to apply effect:

https://youtu.be/dTHUnGwT4A4

This is the Nightblade skill surprise Attack against a CC immune target applying both Off Balance and Fracture:

https://youtu.be/K5CFPsbRN9g

Skullstachio · November 2018

Deafening Roar is working as intended, however, the tool tipping could use a re-write to state:

“Roar with bloodlust to terrify up to 6 nearby enemies, fearing them for 3.3 seconds and applying Major Fracture to Feared Enemies, reducing their Physical Resistance by 5280 for 7 seconds.”

Qbiken · November 2018

Cortimi wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

If I want to get the off-balance effect by using it from sneak or invisibility my enemy can´t be immune to CC. If they´re, I´m not going to stun them, and I won´t the get off-balance buff/debuff.

This is incorrect. The Off-Balance and Fracture is still applied to CC immune targets. Confirmed on stamblade in PvP and PvE.

Here is the Werewolf skill failing to apply effect:
https://youtu.be/dTHUnGwT4A4

This is the Nightblade skill surprise Attack against a CC immune target applying both Off Balance and Fracture:
https://youtu.be/K5CFPsbRN9g

Good to know, I was under the assumtion that my previous comment was correct.

But when it comes to the werewolf skill:
Even before wolfhunter, ferocious roar couldn't apply off-balance to elite mobs or enemies that were CC immune. So it only makes sense that Deafening roar doesn't apply to an enemy if it's cc immune.

Cortimi · November 2018

Alpha-Lupi wrote: »

Deafening Roar is working as intended, however, the tool tipping could use a re-write to state:

“Roar with bloodlust to terrify up to 6 nearby enemies, fearing them for 3.3 seconds and applying Major Fracture to Feared Enemies, reducing their Physical Resistance by 5280 for 7 seconds.”

That is completely out of line with all other Fracture skills as I explained, and it makes it the ONLY debuff tied to a non-related immunity. That is the key here, Fracture has NOTHING to do with CC immunity anywhere else, as it shouldn't.

Qbiken · November 2018

Cortimi wrote: »

Alpha-Lupi wrote: »

Deafening Roar is working as intended, however, the tool tipping could use a re-write to state:

“Roar with bloodlust to terrify up to 6 nearby enemies, fearing them for 3.3 seconds and applying Major Fracture to Feared Enemies, reducing their Physical Resistance by 5280 for 7 seconds.”

That is completely out of line with all other Fracture skills as I explained, and it makes it the ONLY debuff tied to a non-related immunity. That is the key here, Fracture has NOTHING to do with CC immunity anywhere else, as it shouldn't.

Thing is, Ferocious Roar works this way, and if one morph can ignore the "fear-condition" so must the other morph. Both off-balance and Fracture are powerful debuffs. Werewolf already has a powerful toolkit (assuming you know what to do with it). From a balance perspective this makes sense imo. Until we get a confirmation from a dev, we can´t say if this is a bug or not.

Mr_Wolfe · November 2018

This issue was brought up a lot during the PTS, with no comment or action from the devs. Can't say whether it's 'working as intended' or not, but it's definitely misleading given the tooltip and how similar abilities work. Considering werewolves only have five skills to begin with, I do think it's pretty absurd to have one of them be useless in so many situations.

Cortimi · November 2018

Well here is to hoping we can get an answer to it being poor design or poor implementation.