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Im Done With PvE. Help Me Build Ultimate Warrior

kylewwefan
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I’m done with PvE for awhile. Gonna go full ham on PvP toons.

Give me the cheese! I want to make the unkillable beefy monsters that wrecks people with no skill. Cause I have none. Or very little. No shame in it.

Leaning to Tourgs/ something or other stamsorc.

Maybe a WW for Battlegrounds. They’re pretty terrible to fight in my experiences.

I have any toons to choose from, only want to keep DK Tank alone. Not that I exceptionally Love tanking, it’s just easy to get in to things with.

Iv’e only got around a mil gold to work with and a master crafter. I want something better than Hundings/Bone Pirate.
  • Sparr0w
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    spin 2 win
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    Xbox (EU) - l Sparrow x | CP 810+
    DD: All Mag + Stam
    Heal: Templar | Sorc | NB | Warden | Necro
    Tank: NB | DK | Warden
    Completions: All HM's + TTT + IR + GH
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    DD: All Mag + Stam
    Heal: Templar | Sorc
    Tank: DK | NB
    Completions: All HM's + TTT + IR + GH + GS
  • Datolite
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    You should consider going for a well rounded build instead and learn to PvP.
  • Jimmy_The_Fixer
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    As much as people like to whine, there really is nothing that so far out balance that it lets an unskilled player 1vX or even 1v1 a skilled player. Torugs isn't out of control since the latest fix.

    Two very strong setups that can be effective with minimal practice are
    -Heavy Armor Heal Tank
    -Nightblade Bow Gank

    If you want to 1v1 without ganking then you're gonna need a lot of practice in pvp even with the cheesiest build you can find. Cheese just isn't that overpowering right now.
  • kylewwefan
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    Datolite wrote: »
    You should consider going for a well rounded build instead and learn to PvP.


    No. Give me the cheese. Well rounded builds don’t work. You’ll just get killed to someone’s cheesy procs, lethal arrows or spin to win.

    This game is far to broken to learn how to do things proper. I’m usually dead before I realize something was even attacking me In Cyrodil.

    It’s time to change that. I’m ready to change CP, Gear, Skills, whatever. It’s time to learn the true endgame.

    Ive read some cheese stuff for Sloads, Duroks, Tourgs, Fury, Brass, etc..is VD still a thing?

    I’m gonna stop going into Cyrodil and battlegrounds with dungeon build toons and getting wrecked. That stuff don’t work there.

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    Sometimes its just getting good at what you know. Although i would say that bleeds are pretty dam good atm, run dw and 2h, brawler bleed, rending slashes and then steel tornado to execute as dw has an execute passive..
    But you might not be into that kind of play style. Going for overwhelming surge on a HA Templar with skoria is always nice and quite simple. can run big heals and block a lot with lots of sustain using shackle-breaker.
    Or just make a ganking stam nb.. But sometimes that play style can loose you matches as you're never in the fight and always scooting about in sneek going around the fight.
    Best build something you can get stuck in with.
    Personally i love a Mag DK in BG's snb and resto, i die to mag dks and bleed builds a lot. anything with some serious dot pressure i think is the "meta"
  • Waffennacht
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    The builds I see in BGs that perform well:

    DK with wings - mostly a meta counter imo; stopping snipe spammers. Uses Dots and Leap
    NB - snipe version and a surprise attack version
    Warden - shalk and vines, I see them not sure what they are running now
    Templar - purge is huge from what I've seen in this meta
    Sorc - hurricane, spin2win, I haven't seen shuffle get popular yet

    Just my simple and maybe wrong BG observation
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  • Swomp23
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    I did a similar thread yesterday, except I was genuinely interested to understand the gameplay. I did use the torugs enchant cheese build, which isnt fixed on consoles yet, and I still died a lot. @Nestor pointed me to an awesome guide by @Joy_Division. Go read it. No cheese can keep you alive.

    Here is my thread :
    https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/444779/lf-pvp-guide-for-potatoes#latest
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  • NordSwordnBoard
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    Ingredients: All Muscle, no cheese...
    Don't use steroids or cheese PvP builds kids!

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  • ATomiX96
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    the torugs train left about a week ago.
  • Swomp23
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    ATomiX96 wrote: »
    the torugs train left about a week ago.

    Not on consoles...
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  • Casul
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    I still feel a well balanced build is what allows people to 1vX, that and good situational and environmental awareness.
    PvP needs more love.
  • Danksta
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    BuildMan wrote: »
    I still feel a well balanced build is what allows people to 1vX, that and good situational and environmental awareness.

    That last part is a pretty big part of it, and you're not getting that from any 5 piece bonus.
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    Danksta wrote: »
    BuildMan wrote: »
    I still feel a well balanced build is what allows people to 1vX, that and good situational and environmental awareness.

    That last part is a pretty big part of it, and you're not getting that from any 5 piece bonus.

    I think it's the last step in becoming really good.
    Gamer tag: DasPanzerKat NA Xbox One
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  • MaxJrFTW
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    Valkyn, Viper, Sheer Venom/Sload's. Have at it champ!

    Btw, they fixed the torug's nonsense already. Stam sorcs are very last patch as well, nobody plays them now that speed has been taken care of.
    Edited by MaxJrFTW on November 9, 2018 7:43AM
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  • Vapirko
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    You’re still gonna get your ass handed to you by good players. This game isn’t THAT far out of balance.
  • pkuronen
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    If learned one thing in PvP is that you only get good with tons of practice. Get 1000 champion points in PvP and you can eat others for breakfast using only underwear.
  • kylewwefan
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    I tried to do something with Bone Pirate, Agility, Maelstrom 2H, Masters Bow, BloodSpawn. It did not seem very good.

    Stampede is not work very good. It puts me far behind target when it lands. Doesn’t do much damage and I find myself fumbling around trying to find the guy I just hit. I think something with S/B is the way to go. All these Dueling builds are using it. The Medium armor had me quite squishy as well.

    Back to the drawing board.

  • Datolite
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    kylewwefan wrote: »
    Datolite wrote: »
    You should consider going for a well rounded build instead and learn to PvP.


    No. Give me the cheese. Well rounded builds don’t work. You’ll just get killed to someone’s cheesy procs, lethal arrows or spin to win.

    This game is far to broken to learn how to do things proper. I’m usually dead before I realize something was even attacking me In Cyrodil.

    It’s time to change that. I’m ready to change CP, Gear, Skills, whatever. It’s time to learn the true endgame.

    Ive read some cheese stuff for Sloads, Duroks, Tourgs, Fury, Brass, etc..is VD still a thing?

    I’m gonna stop going into Cyrodil and battlegrounds with dungeon build toons and getting wrecked. That stuff don’t work there.

    What you are saying is you don't want to learn. I run a non cheese build. Please, show me how your proc sets are going to beat me. Far better spintards have tried.
  • Danksta
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    Vapirko wrote: »
    You’re still gonna get your ass handed to you by good mediocre players. This game isn’t THAT far out of balance.

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  • Adenoma
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    Torug’s still works just fine. Just gotta think more creatively. Not a good thing for open world, but the pressure is phenomenal in duels/BGs. I’m just looking for folks to join in my torug’s cheese comp where everyone has 30-40k health for BGs and just procs folks down.
    Adenoma-Badenoma-Sadenoma
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    spin 2 win stam warden, focus on buffing subterranean assault and dawnbreaker...

    maybe shacklebreaker, hundings/ bone.pirate/sloads, and velidreth or 1 domihaus, 1 kragh...

    maybe add some bloodthirsty to your jewels...

    Edited by geonsocal on November 11, 2018 9:41AM
    PVP Campaigns Section: Playstation NA and EU (Gray Host) - This Must be the Place
  • Aurielle
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    Don’t build for cheese or copy paste some streamer’s build. If you want to kill people without dying constantly, a well-rounded build that is tailored to your own skills will net you more success every time. You basically just want to build for defence, CC, and burst damage. Also, know your limitations. I’ve realized that I’m garbage at stam classes (except for stam DK), so five of my four characters are magicka based.

    The best advice I can give to you is to take a good, hard look at your class of choice. Figure out what the best damage combo would be, and the sets that will boost that damage the most while still being able to sustain. I’ve recently been having a lot of success with my mag warden in BGs (gave up on the stamden). Since the magden’s primary damage skills are magic damage, I went with War Maiden. For sustain, I have Bright Throat’s Boast. My monster set changes depending on the match. I’m typically getting scores of 5000+ in death matches while everyone else is usually hovering in the 2000-3000 range.

    Another good piece of advice: work with your group — especially in BGs — and learn from experienced players. I think we’re actually in one of the same guilds (Vanquishers of Nirn, maybe?). I’m mostly running BGs these days, so if you want to duo up and learn the ropes, just send me a message in game (PSN: Peace-Weaver).
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    5 piece "situational-awareness", 5 piece "time-investment", 2 piece "coordination and mechanical-skill"
    not sure where those sets drop again.

    now on a more serious note:
    Sets carry hard in this game, yea sure but they wont do the work on their own you know, you cant just expect to put on some kind of setup and annihilate everyone in BGs and Overland PvP.
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    I started working with my Khajit Nightblade. It’s May Main, so crafting stuff and trying it out on him is easy.

    Bone pirate, Hundings Rage, troll king seem to be working mediocre. I’m using a masters bow. Thinking about dropping that for a S/B.

    I tried 5 heavy 1 1. It’s freaking terrible. How do people get used to that. You can’t barely ever get a heavy attack off for sustain.

    So I went to 5 1 1 medium. You feel very squishy, but faster. So I tried the brass. Uhm. It makes you super tanky, but then have not so great damage.

    Maybe Hundings just isn’t worth it in heavy. I’ve got some seventh legion lying around, but pieces need to be right. Impen makes a huge difference I’d have to admit.

    This also has me wandering about PvP Mundus Stones. I’ve used the lover for so long now, I swapped it out just to try something different. I put the steed on I think. Health recovery and more go fast. It don’t seem bad.

    Not sure how you would go with anything other than bone pirate for sustain. It’s just too good not to use.


    Also, I’m pretty sure the 1 v X videos you see are all some guy finding a bunch of PvE players and lighting em up because it’s easy.

    Even I can tell when someone isn’t geared right. I’m getting better, but not that good. Some people are just easy. And they often travel in packs.

    If tried different potions and poisons. Lingering health/ speed I kind of dig. It’s hard to beat tripots. My hot bar is a wreck trying to maintain what to use.

    Poisons are nuts. I hate when their on me and run my resources down ruins sustain and other things, but it’s hard to tell if they are affecting other players when on them.
  • Jimmy_The_Fixer
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    BP/Hundings/Trollking is solid, people are gonna quibble over a few percentage points here and there but that's a setup that can take you wherever you need to go (Hundings is decent but a bit mediocre though).

    I like tower or warrior for pvp mundus, slightly less dps than lover but you get stronger heals out of the deal in addition to the extra damage.

    And yes, every 1vX you see is against bad players, you can't 1vX decent people, it's just not possible.

    1v1 is the best practice you can get. When you have a close fight with someone and you think that they're around your skill level, just whisper them and ask them to meet up for a few duels.

    Poisons aren't as costly on a person's resources as you think. Chances are they're just applying good consistent pressure and that's what's hitting your resources.
  • callen4492
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    As much as forum-goers like to complain about imbalanced PvP, there’s not a build in the game that is an auto win-button. You can only gain a slight advantage over other players with high level gear. Then again, every build has its weaknesses.

    Gotta learn the game and how to sustain in PvP. You shouldn’t need Bone Pirate’s to sustain, although it’s a strong set. One of the problems with it is you struggle to get a decent magicka pool, which you usually need for a decent pvp char.

    Most 1vX’ers get away with lower sustain because they have really good situational awareness and are great at lining up burst. If you think you’re hust going to muscle your way through decent opponents, you’re wrong.

    On the other hand, heavy armor mag dk, with strong dots and damage dealing skills that heal you and good survivability, you can actually often times muscle your way through opponents. The stand your ground l, butn your enemies to the ground is real with a mag dk.
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    steed mundus is definitly a good choice, it synergizes well with khajiit because you get 20% extra health regen from it as a racial. Also mobility is one of the most important aspects of PvP, as I see that you are more tending to run medium setups you need to run shuffle for snare removal. If you go heavy run Forward Momentum as your snare removal.

    try to switch out hundings for spriggan on frontbar only with a 2h maul. Personally im not a fan of trollking on medium armor setups, but for khajiit its pretty good i'd say.
    so your setup will be something like: Head&Shoulders Trollking, 5 Piece Bone Pirate (flexible spread over body and jewelry), 3 piece spriggan (also any 3 pieces besides weapons, head and shoulder), 2h Maul Infused with Disease Enchant Spriggan, DSA Bow Infused with Weapon Damage Glyph or Nirn with poisons. Either 5/1/1 or 6Medium 1Heavy or 7 Medium your choice.
    Edited by ATomiX96 on November 12, 2018 12:38PM
  • kylewwefan
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    I know a little bit, but not a lot. I hear about some things that just don’t seem to work that good for me.

    Heavy armor is a big one. It feels like trash playing 5 heavy stamina build. You can take a lot more damage, but sustaining any kind of real fight is pitiful. I’d probably still use it in Dueling or something, but open world PvP, no way.

    I’m not sure it’s worth keeping this DSA bow on either. Barswap is so clunky and unresponsive, feels like I only get one or two hits in while that buff is active and it’s hard af to focus on that player. I’m really leaning to S/B.

    Not even sure why I’m sticking with 2H on this guy. Other than because I already have it made up. Daggers seem to fit nightblade better. Maybe I just put this setup with 2H on a Warden? I tried a maelstrom and masters 2H with Agility jewelry. It’s not good.

    I’m at a loss for monster helmets. I tried BloodSpawn for awhile. It works okay. Veledreth, Selene, Stormfist don’t really seem that good. It’s too easy for players to roll out of the way. I used troll king, mostly because the pieces I had were already Impen, but then it turned out to be pretty good.


    I noticed the Mundus Stone choice without Divines armor is all a bit lackluster. The steed I really chose, because your getting 2 bonus with it and the percentage moving speed wouldn’t be hindered much if any by no Divines pieces. (In my mind it was the most OP choice Lol! )


    I spent most the day in Cyrodil. I don’t think it’s possible to have the best setup for every scenario possible but I’m getting better and finding ways to make some things work.

    I’m pretty stuck on bone pirate. It was mentioned magic hard to keep up. I agree. I get about 3 cloaks and I’m out.



    My setup was pretty decent in battlegrounds. I think it’s because they’re such a mixed bag of PvE players running in there, real or fake healers and tanks. And no CP. so your build is really standing or failing on its own. All I really have is Impen, sustain and a meh damage set . I guess that is kind of well rounded?
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    kylewwefan wrote: »
    I’m done with PvE for awhile. Gonna go full ham on PvP toons.

    Give me the cheese! I want to make the unkillable beefy monsters that wrecks people with no skill. Cause I have none. Or very little. No shame in it.

    Leaning to Tourgs/ something or other stamsorc.

    Maybe a WW for Battlegrounds. They’re pretty terrible to fight in my experiences.

    I have any toons to choose from, only want to keep DK Tank alone. Not that I exceptionally Love tanking, it’s just easy to get in to things with.

    Iv’e only got around a mil gold to work with and a master crafter. I want something better than Hundings/Bone Pirate.

    Just one advice: PvP is noty about killing, it is about not dying
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    Changed it up a bit. Really have no cheese, but perhaps a crutch?

    7th Legion, Bone Pirate, Troll King, Masters Bow. Sharpened 2H Maul. Still has the Steed Mundus and using Lingering Health Pots to keep Troll King active and for sustain. 5 Heavy 2 Medium.

    It’s taken some time to learn how to sustain. Tried 5 1 1, 5 med 2 Heavy, BloodSpawn, Weapon Power Pots, Trash Pots, Tri-Pots, Cyrodil Pots etc. my hot bar is a wreck.

    I’m considering swapping out Bone Pirate for Ward of Cyrodil. The Defile on Ward of Cyrodil looks very enticing as well...it was changed over the summer this year. If I could sustain would be the issue?

    And I’d probably have to switch up to Arteum takeaway broth food instead of the Dubious Camoran Throne, which would help troll king a little better....but its kind of expensive to run.

    I’ve not been a big fan of the heavy armor, but it’s ok, maybe good once you get the hang of it.
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